some still blame the victim for crimes against them life and art mimicked in BB
Hazel is not 100% innocent.
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Originally Posted by Venetian:
“But that is exactly the point, they cannot monitor what Hazel says 24/7 and with every good intention Hazel could slip up easily. BB would be just as responsible for anything Hazel might say outside of legal privilege, it is known as vicarious liability.”
“But that is exactly the point, they cannot monitor what Hazel says 24/7 and with every good intention Hazel could slip up easily. BB would be just as responsible for anything Hazel might say outside of legal privilege, it is known as vicarious liability.”
Then I go back to my original post that if she has said anything to the other hms, then they [BB] have chosen not to show it.
The point is we just don't know and also there's no proof either way and it shouldn't matter anyway because the other hms apart from Gina don't think she's a snake or BB would surely have shown it.
Originally Posted by kate03:
“Then I go back to my original post that if she has said anything to the other hms, then they [BB] have chosen not to show it.
The point is we just don't know and also there's no proof either way and it shouldn't matter anyway because the other hms apart from Gina don't think she's a snake or BB would surely have shown it.”
“Then I go back to my original post that if she has said anything to the other hms, then they [BB] have chosen not to show it.
The point is we just don't know and also there's no proof either way and it shouldn't matter anyway because the other hms apart from Gina don't think she's a snake or BB would surely have shown it.”
The other HM's haven't seen even half of what Gina and Dexter have seen, or what we have seen. They may be in the same house, but they're not always in the same room and, even if they are, they could be in deep conversation with someone else and miss what's going on. There are no legal reasons that would entail BB telling her not to say anything or they would have stopped Dan saying anything on her behalf at all. Hazel has chosen not to say anything because she knows she played her part in what went on and she doesn't want the others to know that fact, and that's the crux of the matter. Hazel likes to be seen as the strong, popular, modern woman who is in charge of everything, and she's worried that the other HM's will see her in a different light if she tells all.
Originally Posted by Enidan:
“It is quite obvious she has not told them the whole story, if she had she wouldn't be demanding they tell her why she is a snake,. If she had big foot Charlie at least would certainly say it's because of that.
Making things up and speculating about what we haven't been shown is pointless and not an acceptable argument IMO.”
“It is quite obvious she has not told them the whole story, if she had she wouldn't be demanding they tell her why she is a snake,. If she had big foot Charlie at least would certainly say it's because of that.
Making things up and speculating about what we haven't been shown is pointless and not an acceptable argument IMO.”
And yet you say "it's obvious she has not told them the whole story". How do you know what she has told them ? you are doing what you are telling us not to do, speculating lol
I would speculate that BB has told her not to talk about it for legal reasons ,in case Daley decides to sue for unfair dismissal or something
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“The other HM's haven't seen even half of what Gina and Dexter have seen, or what we have seen. They may be in the same house, but they're not always in the same room and, even if they are, they could be in deep conversation with someone else and miss what's going on. There are no legal reasons that would entail BB telling her not to say anything or they would have stopped Dan saying anything on her behalf at all. Hazel has chosen not to say anything because she knows she played her part in what went on and she doesn't want the others to know that fact, and that's the crux of the matter. Hazel likes to be seen as the strong, popular, modern woman who is in charge of everything, and she's worried that the other HM's will see her in a different light if she tells all.”
“The other HM's haven't seen even half of what Gina and Dexter have seen, or what we have seen. They may be in the same house, but they're not always in the same room and, even if they are, they could be in deep conversation with someone else and miss what's going on. There are no legal reasons that would entail BB telling her not to say anything or they would have stopped Dan saying anything on her behalf at all. Hazel has chosen not to say anything because she knows she played her part in what went on and she doesn't want the others to know that fact, and that's the crux of the matter. Hazel likes to be seen as the strong, popular, modern woman who is in charge of everything, and she's worried that the other HM's will see her in a different light if she tells all.”
I disagree that they would be so fickle to change their minds about her. They've stayed with her and they've seen her flirt in the house. They know that she's a tactile woman. So I doubt very much that whatever she tells them (if she hasn't already done so) would make a difference in how they feel about her. What would they actually say when nominating her for example if she did tell them? And I go back to why this would even be a concern to her given that she thinks she's going on Friday? If she felt it was any of their business (because that's the approach I would take) then she could tell them now before leaving because their votes would mean nothing to her anymore.
Originally Posted by BelindaJ:
“Hazel is one hundred percent innocent. He crossed the line his move.”
“Hazel is one hundred percent innocent. He crossed the line his move.”
So you think it is ok for her to pull daleys shorts down and slap his bum if its not ok for a male to do it shouldn't be ok for a Female either. So although Daley did overstep the mark and deserve to go Hazel was by no means innocent or should would not have got a warning herself
Oh great another Hazel thread.
I was getting bored with the other 44 that's currently running.
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I was getting bored with the other 44 that's currently running.
Thanks
Originally Posted by Enidan:
“So you think it's okay for YOU to fill in the missing pieces as YOU choose, make up a whole load of imaginary stuff then argue that that is what actually happened??
You are speculating and your guess work doesn't add up, it is a fictional argument so as I sad before, a bit of a waste of time.”
“So you think it's okay for YOU to fill in the missing pieces as YOU choose, make up a whole load of imaginary stuff then argue that that is what actually happened??
You are speculating and your guess work doesn't add up, it is a fictional argument so as I sad before, a bit of a waste of time.”
I admire your ability to summon the energy to explain this.
I've found it futile
Anyway, I agree.
Originally Posted by Denise1810:
“So you think it is ok for her to pull daleys shorts down and slap his bum if its not ok for a male to do it shouldn't be ok for a Female either. So although Daley did overstep the mark and deserve to go Hazel was by no means innocent or should would not have got a warning herself”
“So you think it is ok for her to pull daleys shorts down and slap his bum if its not ok for a male to do it shouldn't be ok for a Female either. So although Daley did overstep the mark and deserve to go Hazel was by no means innocent or should would not have got a warning herself”
I do wish people would stop going on about her doing this, it's been done to death and she got a warning for it.
I dont think he was bothered
That's not what caused the problem that saw him thrown out.
Originally Posted by kali:
“And yet you say "it's obvious she has not told them the whole story". How do you know what she has told them ? you are doing what you are telling us not to do, speculating lol
I would speculate that BB has told her not to talk about it for legal reasons ,in case Daley decides to sue for unfair dismissal or something”
“And yet you say "it's obvious she has not told them the whole story". How do you know what she has told them ? you are doing what you are telling us not to do, speculating lol
I would speculate that BB has told her not to talk about it for legal reasons ,in case Daley decides to sue for unfair dismissal or something”
If she had told them the full story she would not be asking them why she has been labled a snake. She told Dan not to tell the others even the brief outline she gave him, she has made it clear she does not want to talk about what happened, it is the elephant in the room.
Originally Posted by Damanda:
“I admire your ability to summon the energy to explain this.
I've found it futile
Anyway, I agree.”
“I admire your ability to summon the energy to explain this.
I've found it futile
Anyway, I agree.”
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Originally Posted by Enidan:
“If she had told them the full story she would not be asking them why she has been labled a snake. She told Dan not to tell the others even the brief outline she gave him, she has made it clear she does not want to talk about what happened, it is the elephant in the room.”
“If she had told them the full story she would not be asking them why she has been labled a snake. She told Dan not to tell the others even the brief outline she gave him, she has made it clear she does not want to talk about what happened, it is the elephant in the room.”
Sorry but that doesn't make sense.
She told Dan not to tell them because she wasn't going to use it to gain sympathy from the hms and she still hasn't. If she was as devious as some say she would have milked it to the last.
Originally Posted by kali:
“Sorry but that doesn't make sense.
She told Dan not to tell them because she wasn't going to use it to gain sympathy from the hms and she still hasn't. If she was as devious as some say she would have milked it to the last.”
“Sorry but that doesn't make sense.
She told Dan not to tell them because she wasn't going to use it to gain sympathy from the hms and she still hasn't. If she was as devious as some say she would have milked it to the last.”
I agree. That was my take on it too.
Originally Posted by BelindaJ:
“Hazel is one hundred percent innocent. He crossed the line his move.”
“Hazel is one hundred percent innocent. He crossed the line his move.”
Wrong. Hazel was goading him quite a bit that night in the safehouse.
Originally Posted by Denise1810:
“So you think it is ok for her to pull daleys shorts down and slap his bum if its not ok for a male to do it shouldn't be ok for a Female either. So although Daley did overstep the mark and deserve to go Hazel was by no means innocent or should would not have got a warning herself”
“So you think it is ok for her to pull daleys shorts down and slap his bum if its not ok for a male to do it shouldn't be ok for a Female either. So although Daley did overstep the mark and deserve to go Hazel was by no means innocent or should would not have got a warning herself”
I think for some, it's a case of ignoring what she did that night and just concentrating on what the male did.
IMO Hazel should have left the house at the same time as Daley. I totally he agree he was the aggressor but she also crossed the line and, although there is no excuse for his behaviour, she led him down a very dark path.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Wrong. Hazel was goading him quite a bit that night in the safehouse.”
“Wrong. Hazel was goading him quite a bit that night in the safehouse.”
Why was he shouting like a lunatic to her to come in when she was having a chat with Charley in the garden ? Why couldhe not leave her alone to have some girly time with Charley ?
He was winding himself up more and more and Hazel didn't see that. She was also slightly drunk so she didn't see the signs and that he was already wound up when she came in.
Originally Posted by didoh:
“IMO Hazel should have left the house at the same time as Daley. I totally he agree he was the aggressor but she also crossed the line and, although there is no excuse for his behaviour, she led him down a very dark path.”
“IMO Hazel should have left the house at the same time as Daley. I totally he agree he was the aggressor but she also crossed the line and, although there is no excuse for his behaviour, she led him down a very dark path.”
Where did I hear that before
Originally Posted by BelindaJ:
“Hazel is one hundred percent innocent. He crossed the line his move.”
“Hazel is one hundred percent innocent. He crossed the line his move.”
Strange then that BB issued her with an official warning for HER unacceptable behaviour when she was 100% innocent, isn't it?
Are you forgetting her sexual assault?
Anyway...... back on planet reality.......
Seriously it's posts like yours and many others that have created the Hazel hate as they are sexist drivel hell bent on making out that women are always innocent of everything no matter what they do.
Originally Posted by jimull:
“last night show she was confused that she got voted by the public for being the biggest snake in the house
imo she is very two faced and back stabs every hm sooner or later
last night for example callum talking about thunder and soon as he leave the room,he really getting on my nerves now she says,why doesn't she tell callum to his face,like i said two faced she just gets on my nerves”
“last night show she was confused that she got voted by the public for being the biggest snake in the house
imo she is very two faced and back stabs every hm sooner or later
last night for example callum talking about thunder and soon as he leave the room,he really getting on my nerves now she says,why doesn't she tell callum to his face,like i said two faced she just gets on my nerves”
You must be totally brain dead if you think there not all like that Also comes across as if you like a man who slaps a womn around, thug Daley crossed the line from play acting into violence.
Originally Posted by Janey_Dowell:
“Yes, I understand that Daley shouldn't have insinuated anything in the first place as he was in a relationship making him arguably more guilty than Hazel, and I completely accept that it was his 100% fault he was ejected as violence against women (and in general) is wrong, but her fans have to accept that she is not an angel, and should have told Daley she didn't want to get involved as he was in a relationship.
I accept that all housemates have flaws (even the ones I like); Gina overreacts when offended, Dexter's motives are unclear and Charlie almost never thinks before she speaks.
Hazel would go up in my estimation if her fans accepted that she is not an angel and isn't perfect, and recognize that she has to take some of the blame in the Dazel situation.”
“Yes, I understand that Daley shouldn't have insinuated anything in the first place as he was in a relationship making him arguably more guilty than Hazel, and I completely accept that it was his 100% fault he was ejected as violence against women (and in general) is wrong, but her fans have to accept that she is not an angel, and should have told Daley she didn't want to get involved as he was in a relationship.
I accept that all housemates have flaws (even the ones I like); Gina overreacts when offended, Dexter's motives are unclear and Charlie almost never thinks before she speaks.
Hazel would go up in my estimation if her fans accepted that she is not an angel and isn't perfect, and recognize that she has to take some of the blame in the Dazel situation.”
I think all reasoned & rational FMs know this.
This is not up for debate.
Also note that obsessive fandom works both ways too.
Hazel gets pilloried for the slightest thing that she does; more so than any other HMs & that is not fair either.
I'm not even a Hazel fan, but I find myself sticking up for her so often, due to some of the terrible accusations & defamatory statements made about her, because I don't believe that ANY housemate should be treated like this.
I was really hoping that Hazel had told the public where to get off in the DR last night, because the minute she is up, she will be evicted without doubt & she was never going to win anyway.
I also hope she has a good lawyer & goes after people who have defamed her character on TV shows & internet forums.
Originally Posted by Enidan:
“If she had told them the full story she would not be asking them why she has been labled a snake. She told Dan not to tell the others even the brief outline she gave him, she has made it clear she does not want to talk about what happened, it is the elephant in the room.”
“If she had told them the full story she would not be asking them why she has been labled a snake. She told Dan not to tell the others even the brief outline she gave him, she has made it clear she does not want to talk about what happened, it is the elephant in the room.”
I agree, both she and Dan know why she has been voted the snake but they are deliberately avoiding it.
Originally Posted by BelindaJ:
“Hazel is one hundred percent innocent. He crossed the line his move.”
“Hazel is one hundred percent innocent. He crossed the line his move.”
Hazel is neither guilty nor innocent.
No crimes have been committed on her part.
Hazel was quite rightly given a formal warning & Daley was rightly ejected.
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