Of course she isnt....why are we even discussing it any more.
Hazel is not 100% innocent.
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Originally Posted by Roland Mouse:
“Seriously it's posts like yours and many others that have created the Hazel hate as they are sexist drivel hell bent on making out that women are always innocent of everything no matter what they do.”
“Seriously it's posts like yours and many others that have created the Hazel hate as they are sexist drivel hell bent on making out that women are always innocent of everything no matter what they do.”
Conversely it's statements that try to blame the victims of violence and excuse the abusers that annoy people so much .
People are responsible for their own thoughts and actions. If they want to blame others for their hatred of a HM then it's sad and pathetic
Originally Posted by Enidan:
“You are right that she is not 100% innocent ,... the fact that she won't admit it and take some responsibility for her actions is causing her continued unpopularity I believe.
She's this years villain and is obviously annoyed at this.”
“You are right that she is not 100% innocent ,... the fact that she won't admit it and take some responsibility for her actions is causing her continued unpopularity I believe.
She's this years villain and is obviously annoyed at this.”
Have you been watching? She has never denied flirting and is well aware it annoyed the public, Dexter let her know in no uncertain terms.
Some people love to try to blame her flirting with Daley as the reason for Daley's ejection because it suits their agenda.
Originally Posted by Syntax Error:
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I think all reasoned & rational FMs know this.
This is not up for debate.
Also note that obsessive fandom works both ways too.
Hazel gets pilloried for the slightest thing that she does; more so than any other HMs & that is not fair either.
I'm not even a Hazel fan, but I find myself sticking up for her so often, due to some of the terrible accusations & defamatory statements made about her, because I don't believe that ANY housemate should be treated like this.
I was really hoping that Hazel had told the public where to get off in the DR last night, because the minute she is up, she will be evicted without doubt & she was never going to win anyway.
I also hope she has a good lawyer & goes after people who have defamed her character on TV shows & internet forums.”
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I think all reasoned & rational FMs know this.
This is not up for debate.
Also note that obsessive fandom works both ways too.
Hazel gets pilloried for the slightest thing that she does; more so than any other HMs & that is not fair either.
I'm not even a Hazel fan, but I find myself sticking up for her so often, due to some of the terrible accusations & defamatory statements made about her, because I don't believe that ANY housemate should be treated like this.
I was really hoping that Hazel had told the public where to get off in the DR last night, because the minute she is up, she will be evicted without doubt & she was never going to win anyway.
I also hope she has a good lawyer & goes after people who have defamed her character on TV shows & internet forums.”
I completely agree with everything you said, especially the last bit
No one should take the blame when they are attacked. In life is she 100% innocent, no, none of us are. Should she take responsibility for Daley attacking her - no, never, and any sane person will agree.
Originally Posted by kali:
“Why was he shouting like a lunatic to her to come in when she was having a chat with Charley in the garden ? Why couldhe not leave her alone to have some girly time with Charley ?
He was winding himself up more and more and Hazel didn't see that. She was also slightly drunk so she didn't see the signs and that he was already wound up when she came in.”
“Why was he shouting like a lunatic to her to come in when she was having a chat with Charley in the garden ? Why couldhe not leave her alone to have some girly time with Charley ?
He was winding himself up more and more and Hazel didn't see that. She was also slightly drunk so she didn't see the signs and that he was already wound up when she came in.”
Don't go excusing her from all blame because she was slightly drunk. She'd have to have been VERY drunk for her not to have noticed him getting angry.
Originally Posted by pugamo:
“No one should take the blame when they are attacked. In life is she 100% innocent, no, none of us are. Should she take responsibility for Daley attacking her - no, never, and any sane person will agree.”
“No one should take the blame when they are attacked. In life is she 100% innocent, no, none of us are. Should she take responsibility for Daley attacking her - no, never, and any sane person will agree.”
I agree pugamo.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Don't go excusing her from all blame because she was slightly drunk. She'd have to have been VERY drunk for her not to have noticed him getting angry.”
“Don't go excusing her from all blame because she was slightly drunk. She'd have to have been VERY drunk for her not to have noticed him getting angry.”
oh right, so thinking she was in a house with vetted housemates it was her fault?
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I agree, both she and Dan know why she has been voted the snake but they are deliberately avoiding it.”
“I agree, both she and Dan know why she has been voted the snake but they are deliberately avoiding it.”
Hazel's deliberately lying to the other housemates. She knows exactly why she's been voted the snake of the house.
Originally Posted by BelindaJ:
“oh right, so thinking she was in a house with vetted housemates it was her fault?”
“oh right, so thinking she was in a house with vetted housemates it was her fault?”
There was no need for Hazel to goad Daley. She also hasn't been honest about what happened that night when telling the housemates about it, even Dan.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Don't go excusing her from all blame because she was slightly drunk. She'd have to have been VERY drunk for her not to have noticed him getting angry.”
“Don't go excusing her from all blame because she was slightly drunk. She'd have to have been VERY drunk for her not to have noticed him getting angry.”
I haven't excused her, unlike those trying to justify Daley's violence towards her because they don't like her
Several have tried to excuse Daley because he was drunk, but that's ok seemingly.
Do you seriously think she should have run when he bellowed at her ? Do you believe she should have "obeyed her elders" ?
Should she have allowed him to rant and rave in her face, threatening to "nut" her and "finish" her ?
BB is negligent in not calling him to the diary room when he was roaring at her like a crazed bull. They also should not have sent him back to the sh that night.
They should have put him in a room someplace until they had taken their legal team's advice and expelled him.
Round & round we go - again........!!!
It is not a comfortable situation, least of all for Hazel. She should exit the House, sooner rather than later. It would be to her advantage..... she won't win !!
Unfortunately, thanks to BB - We have the twist this week. We stand to lose Dan, a participating HM - love or hate him; unlike Sophie/twins/Sam, he has been a major contributor to the show......
I despair when envisaging a Final of Twins/Sophie/ Sam &, sorry to say it, Hazel. She has been tainted with the Daley affair - there is no way back.
Gina/dexter are as unpopular as they are popular - they will always be nominated... & could go.......
I would love a Final - without the wallpaper.......
It is not a comfortable situation, least of all for Hazel. She should exit the House, sooner rather than later. It would be to her advantage..... she won't win !!
Unfortunately, thanks to BB - We have the twist this week. We stand to lose Dan, a participating HM - love or hate him; unlike Sophie/twins/Sam, he has been a major contributor to the show......
I despair when envisaging a Final of Twins/Sophie/ Sam &, sorry to say it, Hazel. She has been tainted with the Daley affair - there is no way back.
Gina/dexter are as unpopular as they are popular - they will always be nominated... & could go.......
I would love a Final - without the wallpaper.......
Originally Posted by zx50:
“There was no need for Hazel to goad Daley. She also hasn't been honest about what happened that night when telling the housemates about it, even Dan.”
“There was no need for Hazel to goad Daley. She also hasn't been honest about what happened that night when telling the housemates about it, even Dan.”
I saw it as play fight not for one second did she think having been vetted that he would cross the line. Oops Hazel lesson learned in a supposed safe place. Not telling anyone in cases of threatened or actual violence is common in people who have been abused and the comments on this board highlight exactly why.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Hazel's deliberately lying to the other housemates. She knows exactly why she's been voted the snake of the house.”
“Hazel's deliberately lying to the other housemates. She knows exactly why she's been voted the snake of the house.”
We don't really know what she or BB have told the HMs as we don't have 24/7 LF .
To call someone a liar when you don't have all the facts is low, very low.
Originally Posted by kali:
“I haven't excused her, unlike those trying to justify Daley's violence towards her because they don't like her
Several have tried to excuse Daley because he was drunk, but that's ok seemingly.
Do you seriously think she should have run when he bellowed at her ? Do you believe she should have "obeyed her elders" ?
Should she have allowed him to rant and rave in her face, threatening to "nut" her and "finish" her ?
BB is negligent in not calling him to the diary room when he was roaring at her like a crazed bull. They also should not have sent him back to the sh that night.
They should have put him in a room someplace until they had taken their legal team's advice and expelled him.”
“I haven't excused her, unlike those trying to justify Daley's violence towards her because they don't like her
Several have tried to excuse Daley because he was drunk, but that's ok seemingly.
Do you seriously think she should have run when he bellowed at her ? Do you believe she should have "obeyed her elders" ?
Should she have allowed him to rant and rave in her face, threatening to "nut" her and "finish" her ?
BB is negligent in not calling him to the diary room when he was roaring at her like a crazed bull. They also should not have sent him back to the sh that night.
They should have put him in a room someplace until they had taken their legal team's advice and expelled him.”
What Violence? There was no actual violence. He did not choke her or hold her down hard whatsoever.
Originally Posted by kate03:
“OP I'm sure you will find that most of her fans or even other housemates fans, have not said that she's entirely innocent of everything.
I've stuck up for her through what happened with Daley, and I've stuck up for her through the subsequent biased interviews given to Katie and Daley on BBOTS that should never have happened when she was stuck in the house not knowing the rage and hatred being built against her as a result of those shows and the media enflaming it, unbeknownst to her. Very unfair.
And I've stuck up for her through this horrible twisted latest task where they've ensured that she's STILL hated on the outside.
Where I haven't stuck up for her has been her overt flirting behaviour in the house. But on hindsight, it's no big crime at all................and certainly not worthy of the complete mindless spite she's been getting by the public and by some very nasty fms.
That said though, I've recently noticed a great many fair-minded fms who have changed their minds about her and whilst still not liking her, they at least don't think she deserved this latest stunt by BB. That's heartening.”
“OP I'm sure you will find that most of her fans or even other housemates fans, have not said that she's entirely innocent of everything.
I've stuck up for her through what happened with Daley, and I've stuck up for her through the subsequent biased interviews given to Katie and Daley on BBOTS that should never have happened when she was stuck in the house not knowing the rage and hatred being built against her as a result of those shows and the media enflaming it, unbeknownst to her. Very unfair.
And I've stuck up for her through this horrible twisted latest task where they've ensured that she's STILL hated on the outside.
Where I haven't stuck up for her has been her overt flirting behaviour in the house. But on hindsight, it's no big crime at all................and certainly not worthy of the complete mindless spite she's been getting by the public and by some very nasty fms.
That said though, I've recently noticed a great many fair-minded fms who have changed their minds about her and whilst still not liking her, they at least don't think she deserved this latest stunt by BB. That's heartening.”
this........
Originally Posted by Maria_Robinson:
“Hazel is a total user and player and two faced. Pretends to be Charlie's big mate but talks behind her back.”
“Hazel is a total user and player and two faced. Pretends to be Charlie's big mate but talks behind her back.”
Kindergarten are looking for you,:yawn:
Originally Posted by Enidan:
“Hazel herself knows the part she played in the whole thing, she' s not stupid, it's like the elephant in the room. Maybe BB should have given her an elephant costume insteafd
She demands the others tell her why she is a snake, knowing full well they will skirt around the issue as rhey know she is not telling the whole story about what happened in the SH.
She knows what the viewers have seen and what Gina and Dexter commented on.
You are right that she is not 100% innocent , she has modified her behaviour since the event indicating that she knows this too, the fact that she she won't admit it and take some responsibility for her actions is causing her continued unpopularity I believe.
She's this years villain and is obviously annoyed at this.”
“Hazel herself knows the part she played in the whole thing, she' s not stupid, it's like the elephant in the room. Maybe BB should have given her an elephant costume insteafd
She demands the others tell her why she is a snake, knowing full well they will skirt around the issue as rhey know she is not telling the whole story about what happened in the SH.
She knows what the viewers have seen and what Gina and Dexter commented on.
You are right that she is not 100% innocent , she has modified her behaviour since the event indicating that she knows this too, the fact that she she won't admit it and take some responsibility for her actions is causing her continued unpopularity I believe.
She's this years villain and is obviously annoyed at this.”
Spot on
Originally Posted by kali:
“We don't really know what she or BB have told the HMs as we don't have 24/7 LF .
To call someone a liar when you don't have all the facts is low, very low.”
“We don't really know what she or BB have told the HMs as we don't have 24/7 LF .
To call someone a liar when you don't have all the facts is low, very low.”
I'm going by the highlights show, which I suspect a lot of people on here will be as well. If it turns out that she did tell the housemates the FULL story of what happened that night, fair enough.
Originally Posted by Paul Michael:
“What Violence? There was no actual violence. He did not choke her or hold her down hard whatsoever.”
“What Violence? There was no actual violence. He did not choke her or hold her down hard whatsoever.”
Precisely. There was no actual violence from Daley towards Hazel that night, but there definitely was intimidating and aggressive behaviour though.
Originally Posted by Paul Michael:
“What Violence? There was no actual violence. He did not choke her or hold her down hard whatsoever.”
“What Violence? There was no actual violence. He did not choke her or hold her down hard whatsoever.”
Violence is not just physical .
Verbal abuse , shouting in her face threats, slapping her hard twice on her beind, grabbing her by the neck and wrists.
There is NO excuse for this behaviour, that is exactly why he got thrown out of the house
Originally Posted by Janey_Dowell:
“Yes, I understand that Daley shouldn't have insinuated anything in the first place as he was in a relationship making him arguably more guilty than Hazel, and I completely accept that it was his 100% fault he was ejected as violence against women (and in general) is wrong, but her fans have to accept that she is not an angel, and should have told Daley she didn't want to get involved as he was in a relationship.
I accept that all housemates have flaws (even the ones I like); Gina overreacts when offended, Dexter's motives are unclear and Charlie almost never thinks before she speaks.
Hazel would go up in my estimation if her fans accepted that she is not an angel and isn't perfect, and recognize that she has to take some of the blame in the Dazel situation.”
“Yes, I understand that Daley shouldn't have insinuated anything in the first place as he was in a relationship making him arguably more guilty than Hazel, and I completely accept that it was his 100% fault he was ejected as violence against women (and in general) is wrong, but her fans have to accept that she is not an angel, and should have told Daley she didn't want to get involved as he was in a relationship.
I accept that all housemates have flaws (even the ones I like); Gina overreacts when offended, Dexter's motives are unclear and Charlie almost never thinks before she speaks.
Hazel would go up in my estimation if her fans accepted that she is not an angel and isn't perfect, and recognize that she has to take some of the blame in the Dazel situation.”
Her fans don't think she is an 'angel'
She received a warning and accepted it.
Next..
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Precisely. There was no actual violence from Daley towards Hazel that night, but there definitely was intimidating and aggressive behaviour though.”
“Precisely. There was no actual violence from Daley towards Hazel that night, but there definitely was intimidating and aggressive behaviour though.”
I disagree,i think grabbing someone by the neck and forcing them backwards on a bed is violent.
Very!
Originally Posted by kali:
“Violence is not just physical .
Verbal abuse , shouting in her face threats, slapping her hard twice on her , grabbing her by the neck and wrists.
There is NO excuse for this behaviour, that is exactly why he got thrown out of the house”
“Violence is not just physical .
Verbal abuse , shouting in her face threats, slapping her hard twice on her , grabbing her by the neck and wrists.
There is NO excuse for this behaviour, that is exactly why he got thrown out of the house”
Hazel pushed a pillow down on Daley's face when he was lying on his bed.
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