Results:Is Debbie Dingle beyond redemption?
No, there is no going back for Debbie now, she can never be forgiven!
111 (54.41%)
Yes, Gennie's death wasn't her fault!
22 (10.78%)
Unsure - We'll have to see how the story pans out.
50 (24.51%)
Possibly, if she kills Cameron!
21 (10.29%)
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Is Debbie Dingle beyond redemption
Originally Posted by
MissLola:
“So that's the new and improved Cain Dingle? The man who's becoming a better person thanks to the love of Moira.
After being beaten up by his father, left for dead and almost burned alive, Cain whined that he was not perfect but he didn't deserve what Zak and Adam did to him. Unlike the Sharmas, Amy, and John Barton who obviously deserved to be at the receiving hand of his violence, insults and bullying. Now Saint Cain - who's never hurt Dobbeh or wrecked a family- decides to hit Cameron on the head, then to kill him for the horrible crime of leaving Chas and getting back with Dobbeh. It's clear he hasn't learnt anything from what happened to him. New Cain is a joke. But is it really surprising? We haven't seen sincere remorse, no apology, no self-awareness, no introspection, no atonement. He's still the same thug he always was, just a lot more hypocritical about it. The changes in Cain are totally superficial, self-serving and self-centered. It's all about getting full access to Moira's bedroom while being a thug behind her back. Not that Moira would really care as her moral has pretty much disappeared.
Cain's is only a father to Dobbeh when it gives him the opportunity to threaten, be mean or be a thug. That's about it.
I find the way violence is portrayed in this storyline is quite baffling because it is portrayed in such a flippant and casual way. On one hand we have Laurel who's traumatised after being car-jacked. Then we have the Dingles, who try to kill each other all the time but it's no big deal because it's a family member or someone they knew who did it. WTF ”
Its no wonder Debbie turned out the way she did
Originally Posted by
MissLola:
“So that's the new and improved Cain Dingle? The man who's becoming a better person thanks to the love of Moira.
After being beaten up by his father, left for dead and almost burned alive, Cain whined that he was not perfect but he didn't deserve what Zak and Adam did to him. Unlike the Sharmas, Amy, and John Barton who obviously deserved to be at the receiving hand of his violence, insults and bullying. Now Saint Cain - who's never hurt Dobbeh or wrecked a family- decides to hit Cameron on the head, then to kill him for the horrible crime of leaving Chas and getting back with Dobbeh. It's clear he hasn't learnt anything from what happened to him. New Cain is a joke. But is it really surprising? We haven't seen sincere remorse, no apology, no self-awareness, no introspection, no atonement. He's still the same thug he always was, just a lot more hypocritical about it. The changes in Cain are totally superficial, self-serving and self-centered. It's all about getting full access to Moira's bedroom while being a thug behind her back. Not that Moira would really care as her moral has pretty much disappeared.
Cain's is only a father to Dobbeh when it gives him the opportunity to threaten, be mean or be a thug. That's about it.
I find the way violence is portrayed in this storyline is quite baffling because it is portrayed in such a flippant and casual way. On one hand we have Laurel who's traumatised after being car-jacked. Then we have the Dingles, who try to kill each other all the time but it's no big deal because it's a family member or someone they knew who did it. WTF ”
BIB: I think its more to do with Cain trying to prevent Cameron from hurting Debbie again rather than him trying to get revenge for Chas.
Originally Posted by 80's Gal:
“BIB: I think its more to do with Cain trying to prevent Cameron from hurting Debbie again rather than him trying to get revenge for Chas.”
I think it is also in a small way an act of revenge against debbie for lying to him and making a fool out of him ....
No, I think he's doing it in his own misguided way to protect Debbie. He's always been suspicious of Cameron - and since October Cameron has been involved in Chas' prison drama, broken Debbie's heart which led to her going off the rails in glorious style and risking losing her children, now Chas is about to be betrayed and Debbie is involved with him again. You can't blame Cain for thinking that everyone involved would be better off with Cameron out of the picture.
That doesn't justify trying to kill him, but hopefully
Originally Posted by
Glendarroch:
“No, I think he's doing it in his own misguided way to protect Debbie. He's always been suspicious of Cameron - and since October Cameron has been involved in Chas' prison drama, broken Debbie's heart which led to her going off the rails in glorious style and risking losing her children, now Chas is about to be betrayed and Debbie is involved with him again. You can't blame Cain for thinking that everyone involved would be better off with Cameron out of the picture.
That doesn't justify trying to kill him, but hopefully ”
Yes but it is poor writing , he did nothing when he cheated on debbie .....Cameron cheated on Debbie .....but he was always good to her , cared and adored Sarah ..worked hard ......
What if debbie gets with someone else in a year and it doesnt work out ...if she goes off the rails will Cain blame him ? ....
It is bad over dramatic writing IMO .
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“Yes but it is poor writing , he did nothing when he cheated on debbie .....Cameron cheated on Debbie .....but he was always good to her , cared and adored Sarah ..worked hard ......
What if debbie gets with someone else in a year and it doesnt work out ...if she goes off the rails will Cain blame him ? ....
It is bad over dramatic writing IMO .”
What do you expect from a thug like Cain? If he doesn't want his daughter to ever he hurt by a man he should lock her up in a convent. Anyway Debbie it was Debbie's decision. What does he think he's a going to achieve by killing the man his daughter loves? He doesn't think that's not going to hurt her (and sarah who adores Cameron)?
Of course he doesn't think about what's best for Debbie. He never takes the time to think. He's a useless and horrible father to her. Cain's only a father when it means threatening or beating someone up.
Originally Posted by
MissLola:
“What do you expect from a thug like Cain? If he doesn't want his daughter to ever he hurt by a man he should lock her up in a convent. Anyway Debbie it was Debbie's decision. What does he think he's a going to achieve by killing the man his daughter loves? He doesn't think that's not going to hurt her (and sarah who adores Cameron)? Of course he doesn't think about what's best for Debbie. He never takes the time to think. He's a useless and horrible father to her. Cain's only a father when it means threatening or beating someone up.”
Exactly ! It is madness .
She would disown him ....and its not even like it is heat of the moment stuff......it happens a day later.....
She would be devestated if Cameron died and little Sarah .
He is never warm towards her ,not a typical loving dad ......
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“Yes but it is poor writing , he did nothing when he cheated on debbie .....Cameron cheated on Debbie .....but he was always good to her , cared and adored Sarah ..worked hard ......
What if debbie gets with someone else in a year and it doesnt work out ...if she goes off the rails will Cain blame him ? ....
It is bad over dramatic writing IMO .”
It was an appalling thing to do, to cheat on her when she was struggling with a desperately ill child, and was pregnant. Ten times worse that he cheated with her aunt, and is now doing the same thing in reverse. Yes, cain had an affair with Jasmine, but this is the bloke who she thought she was going to spend her life with, letting her down at the worst possible moment.
Cain will always over protect her when it comes down to it. It is slightly over dramaticised in that Cain's not a cold blooded killer, and it would have made more sense to have this development once he began to suspect that Cameron has murdered people - ie once he thought Debbie and Chas' lives were in danger. But Cain trying to warn off a boyfriend who has hurt her is nothing new. Perhaps after recent developments he'll realise that she is more than capable of causing trouble for herself, and back off a bit.
Nobody ever takes Debbie's feelings into consideration
In black and white terms he is just as bad as Cameron if he went through with it ....
Same with Debbie , when her part comes out she will be the worlds worst person .....but again in black and white terms Cain is as bad..
Just because people like gennie and dont like Cameron ...that does not change things .....murder and attempted murder is the same no matter the victim ( even Cameron
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Originally Posted by
lolasofie:
“In black and white terms he is just as bad as Cameron if he went through with it ....
Same with Debbie , when her part comes out she will be the worlds worst person .....but again in black and white terms Cain is as bad..
Just because people like gennie and dont like Cameron ...that does not change things .....murder and attempted murder is the same no matter the victim ( even Cameron )”
Oh I agree. I really wish that they hadn't done this. The redeeming factor
- although tbh I don't think that either him or Debbie are anywhere near as bad as Cameron, who to me only truly cares about himself and for all his guilt after the event, can apparently kill people almost as easily as he can brush his teeth, just because they're in the way. I for one never liked Gennie, but what he did to her was beyond appalling.
Originally Posted by
Glendarroch:
“Oh I agree. I really wish that they hadn't done this. The redeeming factor - although tbh I don't think that either him or Debbie are anywhere near as bad as Cameron, who to me only truly cares about himself and for all his guilt after the event, can apparently kill people almost as easily as he can brush his teeth, just because they're in the way. I for one never liked Gennie, but what he did to her was beyond appalling.”
I couldn't agree with this more. After what Cameron did to Gennie and his carefree attitude afterwards.. he truly is vile scum
Originally Posted by
Glendarroch:
“Oh I agree. I really wish that they hadn't done this. The redeeming factor - although tbh I don't think that either him or Debbie are anywhere near as bad as Cameron, who to me only truly cares about himself and for all his guilt after the event, can apparently kill people almost as easily as he can brush his teeth, just because they're in the way. I for one never liked Gennie, but what he did to her was beyond appalling.”
I think Debbie might threaten to jump in after him or something dramatic like that to stop him .
Cameron is worst and dangerous but still intent to kill is still quite similar ........
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“I think Debbie might threaten to jump in after him or something dramatic like that to stop him .
Cameron is worst and dangerous but still intent to kill is still quite similar ........”
Even Adam Barton wasn't as bad because when he went to the garage he didn't intent to kill Cain. He wanted an apology for the way Cain treated his father. But of Course Cain refused then goaded Adam who lost it.
Would Cain feel guilty about killing Cameron? It doesn't seem like it. So when he thinks he's justified, Cain can be as ruthless as Cameron.
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“I think Debbie might threaten to jump in after him or something dramatic like that to stop him .
Cameron is worst and dangerous but still intent to kill is still quite similar ........”
now you know that by suggesting Debbie jumps off a cliff, you're just laying yourself bare for all the Debbie haters to come on board right now
I know. It's not good.I can only be glad that he at least seems to see sense. the timing of this is interesting though - if they had made it happen once
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If Cain starts to suspect that Debbie will be long in the barn at Moira's farm for a looong time
