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Results:Is Debbie Dingle beyond redemption?
No, there is no going back for Debbie now, she can never be forgiven!
111 (54.41%)
Yes, Gennie's death wasn't her fault!
22 (10.78%)
Unsure - We'll have to see how the story pans out.
50 (24.51%)
Possibly, if she kills Cameron!
21 (10.29%)
Voters: 204. You can't vote on this poll right now - are you signed in?
Is Debbie Dingle beyond redemption
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Glendarroch
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by bc11:
“Golden

Whats left for the character? Its been Debbie overkill for what feels like an eternity, there is only so much one can go through before you think enough is enough.”

At the rate she's going, she'll end up murdering someone to protect great love of her life Cameron, and being declared criminally insane and sent to Broadmoor.
lolasofie
26-07-2013
Time moves fast in soap land remember ...

How fast did they forget what Cain did to Amy and John ...all he had to do was protect Adam and he was hero again ...seriously think about it .....if they want too they can write over it .

We all feel like this now because it is so raw , how many people hated Cain when he was threatening Amy to have an abortion ....and now how many of the same viewers LOVE him and Moira .....he is now a big teddy bear apparently .

Cameron is still in the dales in October , so nothing has being reveled before that and Debbie has being seen on the webcam with him even yesterday .......so by then Nikill is gone , other storylines will have happened and Gennie will be dead three months ....it will just be Brenda who cares ...

Both Charley and Kate Otean said she would be redeemed so they have a plan and i suspect it will be Debbie who reveals about Cameron and possibly kills him .....

Also you have the stuff with Adam and it is said only Cain believes him ....so no doubt Cain will be a big part of Debbie and Cameron's future storylines and it may be debbie who helps Adam ...

I dont agree or like what they have done with Debs , Gennie was her cousin and next week we see her at the bar all dolled up drinking and while Nikill hands her Molly ....

But they can rewrite and make her the hero and no doubt that is the plan .....she will probably risk her life to get him to reveal and help Adam and he will turn on her and she will end up in a serious condition ....but when she wakes up everyone will be "proud " of her because she will be the hero in Cameron's demise .....
Ber
26-07-2013
The poll answers seem to be the wrong way round!

I assume by 'no, there's no going back' that actually means yes, she is beyond redemption?
CherryRose
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by Ber:
“The poll answers seem to be the wrong way round!

I assume by 'no, there's no going back' that actually means yes, she is beyond redemption?”

Everyone else knew what I meant
Ber
26-07-2013
I just wanted to check
Mick Turition
26-07-2013
Seems that Ms Dingle is one of Emmerdale's gilded characters like Cain and the mouth-breathing Sugden.
Her redemption may involve her feeling "a bit bad about herself" for a time.:yawn:
MissLola
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“Time moves fast in soap land remember ...

How fast did they forget what Cain did to Amy and John ...all he had to do was protect Adam and he was hero again ...seriously think about it .....if they want too they can write over it .

We all feel like this now because it is so raw , how many people hated Cain when he was threatening Amy to have an abortion ....and now how many of the same viewers LOVE him and Moira .....he is now a big teddy bear apparently .

Cameron is still in the dales in October , so nothing has being reveled before that and Debbie has being seen on the webcam with him even yesterday .......so by then Nikill is gone , other storylines will have happened and Gennie will be dead three months ....it will just be Brenda who cares ...

Both Charley and Kate Otean said she would be redeemed so they have a plan and i suspect it will be Debbie who reveals about Cameron and possibly kills him .....

Also you have the stuff with Adam and it is said only Cain believes him ....so no doubt Cain will be a big part of Debbie and Cameron's future storylines and it may be debbie who helps Adam ...

I dont agree or like what they have done with Debs , Gennie was her cousin and next week we see her at the bar all dolled up drinking and while Nikill hands her Molly ....

But they can rewrite and make her the hero and no doubt that is the plan .....she will probably risk her life to get him to reveal and help Adam and he will turn on her and she will end up in a serious condition ....but when she wakes up everyone will be "proud " of her because she will be the hero in Cameron's demise .....”

The villagers have forgiven him but I haven't.

Probably wearing her favourite belt as a skirt When has Debbie ever hold, looked at or touched baby Molly? She doesn't even hold her own son.

Your theory about Adam is interesting, whatever happens next it will involve some Dingle playing the hero, probably Cain and princess Dobbeh. But no act of heroism can wash the blood she has on her hands. To me she killed Gennie as much as Cameron did. The injuries she sustained during the crash were obviously fatal.
Drifter
26-07-2013
Soaps always manage to whitewash history and start again with characters. Like the Debbie/Jasmine stuff, all forgotten. Like characters saying someone is "the love of their life" but when that character leaves that "love" is forgotten and a new person is the "love of their life" There's so many things like this.

The Cain and Moira stuff was hard to swallow but I'm willing to accept that because they make a good couple. Also, I think the current development in Cain is fine - what happened happened, and then with Zac and as a result he's trying to be nicer, less villainous. That isn't unrealistic, and I'm sure he'll still be awful at times.

You could pull apart absolutely everything if you wanted but then there'd be no point watching. It's the same with most long-term characters. The Cain/Angie/Ollie stuff, Cain/Charity/Chris, Cain/Jasmine/Debbie, Cain's exit and everything with Sadie...it is all completely forgotten and it's very annoying, but at the same time you can't have scenes of characters just going around mentioning the past. What the writers could do though is at least let those events shape a character so that they are still relevant with the odd line of remembrance here and there, instead of wiping the slate clean after every individual event.

As for Debbie - who knows? I find her very watchable at least. I don't think we're supposed to believe she's good or bad, or feel sorry for her or hate her - I just see her as a mess of a person.
star89
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by lotty27:
“But that's the point. How can she even THINK of keeping his secret now? A family member is dead again because of him (even if she doesn't know he smothered Gennie she knows the only reason they were chasing her was because of Cameron's confession). A child has been left motherless, a husband without his soul mate, a mother has lost her child and Chas her sister because of this man but she STILL stands by him and keeps his secret?

Debbie has always been strong and IIRC was quite moralistic (until this year!). I just don't buy that she's so in love with this man that she'd do that and am appalled that it (looks like) it's going to take 3 months for her to do the decent thing - if she ever does!”

Agree totally.

Debbie is many things but she isn't evil nor is she stupid enough to stand by him after all that. Well the old Debbie wouldn't. Terrible writing and totally destroying the character

Originally Posted by Drifter:
“Soaps always manage to whitewash history and start again with characters. Like the Debbie/Jasmine stuff, all forgotten. Like characters saying someone is "the love of their life" but when that character leaves that "love" is forgotten and a new person is the "love of their life" There's so many things like this.”

Jasmine
Glendarroch
26-07-2013
I don't think it's so much a case of the writers forgetting as the viewers expecting people to always behave in the same way and be two dimensional. Also, there's a lot of talk on here of 'forgiveness' for the likes of Cain and Andy, when in fact there's no indication that most other characters have forgotten or forgiven - they just don't keep bringing up past events on a regular basis. They do get referred to from time to time. Of course some characters will forgive past transgressions, and others won't - that would happen in real life as well, but the thing is they live in a small village and go to the same places. They get on with things by ignoring the characters who they don't like, only occasionally falling out with them and having a public barney.

Debbie at the moment is in the horrendous situation of finding out that someone she is in love with is a murderer, and now having the death of Gennie on her conscience. there was certainly no indication that she intended to kill Gennie or felt anything other than guilt and distress about her death. She'll probably revert back into selfish 'how could you do this to me?' mode mixed with even more selfish plans to 'put this behind them' and get on with life together but right at the moment her head's all over the place.
Creamtea
26-07-2013
They are both vile and culpable in what happened to Gennie. And the fact that Debbeh has decided she loves Cameron despite knowing what he did to Carl makes her just as much of a nutter as he is. And as others have said Debbeh decided to chase Gennie in the car and listen to Cameron's orders of Speed Up/Over take her etc. what did she think Cameron was going to do when/if they managed to get her out of the car?
MissLola
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I don't think it's so much a case of the writers forgetting as the viewers expecting people to always behave in the same way and be two dimensional. Also, there's a lot of talk on here of 'forgiveness' for the likes of Cain and Andy, when in fact there's no indication that most other characters have forgotten or forgiven - they just don't keep bringing up past events on a regular basis. They do get referred to from time to time. Of course some characters will forgive past transgressions, and others won't - that would happen in real life as well, but the thing is they live in a small village and go to the same places. They get on with things by ignoring the characters who they don't like, only occasionally falling out with them and having a public barney.

Debbie at the moment is in the horrendous situation of finding out that someone she is in love with is a murderer, and now having the death of Gennie on her conscience. there was certainly no indication that she intended to kill Gennie or felt anything other than guilt and distress about her death. She'll probably revert back into selfish 'how could you do this to me?' mode mixed with even more selfish plans to 'put this behind them' and get on with life together but right at the moment her head's all over the place.”

How is that a horrendous situation? She knows what he did but apparently it made her love him even more.

It doesn't matter whether or not she intended to kill her. She intended to chase her, she drove dangerously and caused the accident. Any person with more than two brain cells knows that dangerous driving can cause accident.
lolasofie
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“The villagers have forgiven him but I haven't.

Probably wearing her favourite belt as a skirt When has Debbie ever hold, looked at or touched baby Molly? She doesn't even hold her own son.

Your theory about Adam is interesting, whatever happens next it will involve some Dingle playing the hero, probably Cain and princess Dobbeh. But no act of heroism can wash the blood she has on her hands. To me she killed Gennie as much as Cameron did. The injuries she sustained during the crash were obviously fatal.”

I know like all the Dingles acually , no one bothers with Molly really .

I think they chose Adam to involve Cain , Cain will suspect Cameron because Chas will possible tell him that Gennie thought Cam and Debs were back on etc ...so he will suspect debbie is lying and Cam is involved .

Whose side he will take will be interesting , Adam is Moira's son but Debbie is his daughter who he always maintaned he loved more then anyone in the world ...

Cain covered for Adam trying to kill him and the hit and run and now this ......will Cain cover for Debbie ? ....

I guess it will come down to this , Cain finds out about Cameron and the murders , if he goes to the police then Adam is free and Moira is happy .....but Debbie would be in deep trouble ......

There could be a twist and he may chose his " new family " ....he has disowned debbie so maybe he just lets her take her fall .......

I think the best twist for Debbie would be that she finally cops on to Cameron , tries to help Adam by getting a confession but Cameron catches on to what she is doing and maybe tries to kill her .......Debs passes out and Cameron realises what he has done and has hurt the person he loves most and this leads to him confessing everything ,.....Adam is free and Debbie is seen as the hero because she risked her life to help Adam and get Cameron to confess ...

By the time October comes , Nikill is gone and her involvment in Gennie's death is slightly overlooked ...
MissLola
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“I know like all the Dingles acually , no one bothers with Molly really .

I think they chose Adam to involve Cain , Cain will suspect Cameron because Chas will possible tell him that Gennie thought Cam and Debs were back on etc ...so he will suspect debbie is lying and Cam is involved .

Whose side he will take will be interesting , Adam is Moira's son but Debbie is his daughter who he always maintaned he loved more then anyone in the world ...

Cain covered for Adam trying to kill him and the hit and run and now this ......will Cain cover for Debbie ? ....

I guess it will come down to this , Cain finds out about Cameron and the murders , if he goes to the police then Adam is free and Moira is happy .....but Debbie would be in deep trouble ......

There could be a twist and he may chose his " new family " ....he has disowned debbie so maybe he just lets her take her fall .......

I think the best twist for Debbie would be that she finally cops on to Cameron , tries to help Adam by getting a confession but Cameron catches on to what she is doing and maybe tries to kill her .......Debs passes out and Cameron realises what he has done and has hurt the person he loves most and this leads to him confessing everything ,.....Adam is free and Debbie is seen as the hero because she risked her life to help Adam and get Cameron to confess ...

By the time October comes , Nikill is gone and her involvment in Gennie's death is slightly overlooked ...”

Why should Debbie get away with killing Gennie? Cameron should pay for his crimes but so should Debbie. Helping Adam won't make up for what she did to Gennie. Someone is dead because of her and Cameron.
lolasofie
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“Why should Debbie get away with killing Gennie? Cameron should pay for his crimes but so should Debbie. Helping Adam won't make up for what she did to Gennie. Someone is dead because of her and Cameron.”

I dont think she should but i do think she will ...

Ds posted a video interview with Charley from the Press screening

http://www.digitalspy.ie/soaps/s12/e...bbie-hard.html

She says that the Dingles will stand united she assumes ...so she made it seem that they would not go against her .

She said her and Lucy spoke about Chas's recation to her and Cam back together and they didnt want another screaming match so her reaction will be "something different "

She says fans want to see a softer side to her and they will i think she said in the future .

She also said she thinks Cameron and Debbie are meant to be together .
Creamtea
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by bc11:
“Golden

Whats left for the character? Its been Debbie overkill for what feels like an eternity, there is only so much one can go through before you think enough is enough.”

Originally Posted by Ber:
“The poll answers seem to be the wrong way round!

I assume by 'no, there's no going back' that actually means yes, she is beyond redemption?”

I was just about to post this having had another look at the poll.
Hound of Love
26-07-2013
Originally Posted by ferdybookgeek:
“I think she should tell the police the truth, but they've turned Debbie into a weak idiot. I don't get why she would protect Cameron after all he's done.

I've always felt like Cameron has a weird power over both Debbie and Chas - they both have turned into stupid idiots.”

Princess Debbie has been a stupid idiot long before JerseyBoy showed up.
bornfree
26-07-2013
She is evil to the core! She has no redeeming features.
bc11
26-07-2013
Didn't think there was any chance of redemption after last nights ep, now definitively.. no chance, how even the dingles could stand by her after that, i really really don't know.

All for that weasel, who dropped her like a hot potato and now wants her back as he's bored....
mo mouse
26-07-2013
Really hope Debs comes out unscathed. The show cannot afford to lose it's Queen. If I can forgive her, why can't the rest of you ?
bornfree
26-07-2013
There is a name for a woman who loves a serial killer. Debbie is a mum and yet was happy to chase another mum in her car causing an accident. Didn't Debbie have Jack to save Sarah? Where were her children when she was lusting with Cameron?

Sorry but that character is a disgrace to womankind!
Glendarroch
27-07-2013
I don't know that she's evil - he is but I'm not sure about her. But her whole world revolves around what she wants, and people treating her right. She has to be one of the most selfish characters ever - she occasionally shows concern for others (supporting Lisa after the rape, and having Jack for Sarah) but then it's straight back to doing what she wants, for herself, whilst reminding everyone else of how much they let her down. If anyone else threatens her and cameron's future, who knows what she's capable of? I don't think they were crocodile tears today, but she'll soon be back to thinking only of herself. then when it all comes tumbling down around her ears it will be everyone else's fault.

I think the only way that she could be redeemed is if she has to risk her own life, or her freedom - not so that she can be the hero or martyr, but so that she actually has to clean up some of her own mess and think of other people.
SULLA
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“Why should Debbie get away with killing Gennie? Cameron should pay for his crimes but so should Debbie. Helping Adam won't make up for what she did to Gennie. Someone is dead because of her and Cameron.”

She didn't kill Genesis. Cameron did.

Unsure is the only logical choice in the poll
mo mouse
27-07-2013
She deserves some support after all she's been through
tq21
27-07-2013
To all those saying that Debbie didn't intend to kill Gennie, if you pursue someone in a high speed chase, especially someone you know to be a novice driver then how can you not expect them to be injured or killed?

Debbie is now responsible for the death of a young mother so she will need to get her comeuppance & I don't think losing her kids will be enough this time.
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