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Results:Is Debbie Dingle beyond redemption?
No, there is no going back for Debbie now, she can never be forgiven!
111 (54.41%)
Yes, Gennie's death wasn't her fault!
22 (10.78%)
Unsure - We'll have to see how the story pans out.
50 (24.51%)
Possibly, if she kills Cameron!
21 (10.29%)
Voters: 204. You can't vote on this poll right now - are you signed in?
Is Debbie Dingle beyond redemption
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footygirl
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by ferdybookgeek:
“I'm sure I read an interview where Charley said she didn't want any more kids for a while, that interview was only a couple of weeks before the one where Matthew said they wanted more kids.

Either way, I don't want Debbie to end up in prison. If Cain got way with kidnapping and stealing millions, I'm sure they can think of a way for Debbie to not get sent to prison.”

She has committed three crimes and didn't she lie to the police allowing poor Chas to take the rap

Sorry but she deserves jail. I don't see how they can justify her going free
lolasofie
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“On the tape Gennie also recorded Debbie confessing what she did to Chas.”

Nikill has that tape next week and he presses play ...my bet is that the crash messed it up .
footygirl
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“Nikill has that tape next week and he presses play ...my bet is that the crash messed it up .”

I am hoping that the scriptwriters have it in the scripts that dozy debbie gets her come uppance very soon
Glendarroch
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by ferdybookgeek:
“I'm sure I read an interview where Charley said she didn't want any more kids for a while, that interview was only a couple of weeks before the one where Matthew said they wanted more kids.

Either way, I don't want Debbie to end up in prison. If Cain got way with kidnapping and stealing millions, I'm sure they can think of a way for Debbie to not get sent to prison.”

He had to turn police informant though, and evidently had good info for them. Debbie's going to be in serious trouble if she doesn't report Cameron soon, especially if he (without her knowledge) commits more murders. I'm really wondering if Cameron won't be arrested, there will be some sort of rough justice and either Debbie will end up leaving for a while just to sort herself out, or she'll be the one to do the deed, and that might go some way to redeeming her.
ferdybookgeek
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“She has committed three crimes and didn't she lie to the police allowing poor Chas to take the rap

Sorry but she deserves jail. I don't see how they can justify her going free”

When did she lie to the police about Chas?
As far as Debbie knew at the time, Chas had killed Carl.
footygirl
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by ferdybookgeek:
“When did she lie to the police about Chas?
As far as Debbie knew at the time, Chas had killed Carl.”

except chas is innocent. She could have gone to the police and informed them that Cameron did it - not informing them is of information is just as bad

By not clearing Chas she is in effect lying isn't she
ferdybookgeek
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“He had to turn police informant though, and evidently had good info for them. Debbie's going to be in serious trouble if she doesn't report Cameron soon, especially if he (without her knowledge) commits more murders. I'm really wondering if Cameron won't be arrested, there will be some sort of rough justice and either Debbie will end up leaving for a while just to sort herself out, or she'll be the one to do the deed, and that might go some way to redeeming her.”

I hope Debbie and Chas get rid of him Dingle style. Dominic Power said the whole thing would be 'explosive' and Charley Webb tweeted that she had big scenes with Lucy - I think it will be the both of them taking him down and it'll end in an explosion or something.
ferdybookgeek
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“except chas is innocent. She could have gone to the police and informed them that Cameron did it - not informing them is of information is just as bad”

But Chas was already proven innocent in court, she's not in trouble with the police anymore.
It's not like Chas is in prison.
star89
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“except chas is innocent. She could have gone to the police and informed them that Cameron did it - not informing them is of information is just as bad

By not clearing Chas she is in effect lying isn't she”

She's only lying if the police ask her did Chas kill Carl. If not then she is not lying, she is just keeping her mouth shut.
MissLola
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by ferdybookgeek:
“But Chas was already proven innocent in court, she's not in trouble with the police anymore.
It's not like Chas is in prison.”

Chas thinks she killed Carl. She wasn't proven innocent, she's been acquitted because the jury believed she acted in self defence. She has the right to know that she didn't kill Carl.
MissLola
27-07-2013
Originally Posted by star89:
“She's only lying if the police ask her did Chas kill Carl. If not then she is not lying, she is just keeping her mouth shut.”

She is withholding information about a murder - she should be charged with obstruction of Justice. Cameron is a killer and therefore someone dangerous. By not reporting him to the police she enables him to kill again - which he already has - and to commit other crimes.
footygirl
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“Chas thinks she killed Carl. She wasn't proven innocent, she's been acquitted because the jury believed she acted in self defence. She has the right to know that she didn't kill Carl.”

and isn't the reason that she doesn't know down to debbie being a selfish little brat
star89
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“She is withholding information about a murder - she should be charged with obstruction of Justice. Cameron is a killer and therefore someone dangerous. By not reporting him to the police she enables him to kill again - which he already has - and to commit other crimes.”

Not disagreeing with you (Because I do agree). I was simply saying that she was not lying.
footygirl
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by star89:
“Not disagreeing with you (Because I do agree). I was simply saying that she was not lying.”

But she hasn't told the truth either has she
mo mouse
28-07-2013
She is under tremendous stress so it is understandable that she isn't thinking rationally. She is coping remarkably well in the circumstances. Sometimes it seems like there is only me on this forum with any compassion.
lolasofie
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by mo mouse:
“She is under tremendous stress so it is understandable that she isn't thinking rationally. She is coping remarkably well in the circumstances. Sometimes it seems like there is only me on this forum with any compassion.”

I do , i think Debbie's whole life has being tragic except for her kids and even then her daughter was so sick .....

Also remember debbie had to get pregnanat with Andy and wait to find out of the baby was a match and if not she would have to have an abortion and try again and again ,....the pressure and stress of that is awful .

I think it is a missed oppurtunity that they never developed her adoption story more ....Her adoptive mother was Pat , we dont know did she have a partner or husband , what about her parents ...etc ...they could have created an older sibling for debbie to give her a pull away from the Dingles ..

I think Debbie would have turned out different if she had stayed with Paddy and Emily ....

Also i guess Cameron is the only person who truly loved Debbie and she loves him .....okay her parents love her but they neevr put her first and then her mum left her for 5 years and Cain left her for 2.5 years ....

She went from being adopted to foster care , to her real parents who left her for long periods of time .....she never had any stability or proper healthy attention from her parents ....

It is not so odd to that she clings to the person who tells her he loves her more then anything in the world ...she is desperate for love and affection .

Zak loves debbie and has always looked out for her and we can see how differnet and more open and honest she is with him ......shows the contrast between her and her parents who she always keeps at a distance .
bornfree
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“I am hoping that the scriptwriters have it in the scripts that dozy debbie gets her come uppance very soon”

I am always hoping but it never happens. Cant believe she is so heartless so as to make little Molly motherless
Glendarroch
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“I do , i think Debbie's whole life has being tragic except for her kids and even then her daughter was so sick .....

Also remember debbie had to get pregnanat with Andy and wait to find out of the baby was a match and if not she would have to have an abortion and try again and again ,....the pressure and stress of that is awful .

I think it is a missed oppurtunity that they never developed her adoption story more ....Her adoptive mother was Pat , we dont know did she have a partner or husband , what about her parents ...etc ...they could have created an older sibling for debbie to give her a pull away from the Dingles ..

I think Debbie would have turned out different if she had stayed with Paddy and Emily ....

Also i guess Cameron is the only person who truly loved Debbie and she loves him .....okay her parents love her but they neevr put her first and then her mum left her for 5 years and Cain left her for 2.5 years ....

She went from being adopted to foster care , to her real parents who left her for long periods of time .....she never had any stability or proper healthy attention from her parents ....

It is not so odd to that she clings to the person who tells her he loves her more then anything in the world ...she is desperate for love and affection .

Zak loves debbie and has always looked out for her and we can see how differnet and more open and honest she is with him ......shows the contrast between her and her parents who she always keeps at a distance .”

I feel sorry for her too, she has had a tough time. That said I don't like her and I do think she needs to grow up and stop blaming her parents, (at least one of whom had an equally bad if not worse childhood) and that she's very selfish. She uses her parents mistakes to emotionally blackmail them, yet never shows any gratitude for the things they have done for her. She also makes every situation about how much she's suffered, without any thought to anyone else's feelings IMO.

Nevertheless, she has had an extremely tough time, and when she drops the hard, aggressive, shouty, demanding shell can be quite likeable. If only we could see more of that Debbie, and she was much less selfish and inclined to make every situation about her, I might like her. I had a lot of admiration for the way she coped with Sarah's illness and her pregnancy and the fact that she was prepared to go to such extremes. I've also thought that one of her redeeming features was that she was a good, responsible parent, who maintained a civilised relationship with Andy. It's been a shame to see this go out of the window.

My issue with this 'great romance' that I really find it hard to believe that her and Cameron love each other. there's no chemistry, but they also don't act like an everyday couple who cared for a kid together, went to work, just lived their life together. They just don't seem intimate in any way, or even relaxed in each other's company.

I really don't think she's beyond redemption though. TBH I don't understand why people are implying that she murdered gennie, and why she's getting the flack for it. She acted in the heat of the moment, did something remarkably stupid (chasing someone at high speed) under pressure and Gennie had a potentially fatal accident as a result. She did cause the accident, but Cameron is the one who had it in him to murder a seriously injured, defenceless person. Gennie might well have died as a result of her injuries, but that does not make Debbie a murderer - that's why the legal system has crimes like manslaughter, and 'death by dangerous driving.' There is a vast difference between someone who can knowing kill a person and someone who causes death accidentally.

Sorry for rambling on there
lolasofie
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I am always hoping but it never happens. Cant believe she is so heartless so as to make little Molly motherless”

She didnt plan to cause Gennie to crash ....and the crash would probably not have killed Gennie , it was Cameron who murdered Gennie .....
MissLola
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by lolasofie:
“She didnt plan to cause Gennie to crash ....and the crash would probably not have killed Gennie , it was Cameron who murdered Gennie .....”

She was critically injured. The fact the coroner thinks she died of her injuries and not asphyxiated shows the injuries she sustained were fatal.
lolasofie
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“She was critically injured. The fact the coroner thinks she died of her injuries and not asphyxiated shows the injuries she sustained were fatal.”

But she was consious and talking .....i am not saying she was not critical and possibly she may have died in hospital .....but Cameron did murder her
star89
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by MissLola:
“She was critically injured. The fact the coroner thinks she died of her injuries and not asphyxiated shows the injuries she sustained were fatal.”

How do you know she was critically injured? No one knows whether the crash would have killed her or not because Cameron got there before the medical teams did.

The fact a coroner thinks she died of her injuries just shows that they are, yet again, writing things for the sake of storyline's. A coroner should be able to see that she died from asphyxiation because that IS what she died from.
MissLola
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by star89:
“How do you know she was critically injured? No one knows whether the crash would have killed her or not because Cameron got there before the medical teams did.

The fact a coroner thinks she died of her injuries just shows that they are, yet again, writing things for the sake of storyline's. A coroner should be able to see that she died from asphyxiation because that IS what she died from.”

Because I saw the accident. She couldn't move, she barely managed to say a few words. If she wasn't critically injured she could have tried to scream for help and or try to protect herself. Gennie knew she was going to die but there was nothing she could do because she was too injured and completely powerless. That's why her death was so haunting.

The coroner can miss the real cause of death if they have no reason to suspect foul play. Especially if the person sustained massive injuries that could have been fatal. If during the autopsy the notice that she had massive internal bleeding, organ failures and other injuries typical of someone who's been in a car crash they won't really look further.
Tom_Willis
28-07-2013
Not sure but I can't see how she can avoid prison after this.
lolasofie
28-07-2013
Originally Posted by Glendarroch:
“I feel sorry for her too, she has had a tough time. That said I don't like her and I do think she needs to grow up and stop blaming her parents, (at least one of whom had an equally bad if not worse childhood) and that she's very selfish. She uses her parents mistakes to emotionally blackmail them, yet never shows any gratitude for the things they have done for her. She also makes every situation about how much she's suffered, without any thought to anyone else's feelings IMO.

Nevertheless, she has had an extremely tough time, and when she drops the hard, aggressive, shouty, demanding shell can be quite likeable. If only we could see more of that Debbie, and she was much less selfish and inclined to make every situation about her, I might like her. I had a lot of admiration for the way she coped with Sarah's illness and her pregnancy and the fact that she was prepared to go to such extremes. I've also thought that one of her redeeming features was that she was a good, responsible parent, who maintained a civilised relationship with Andy. It's been a shame to see this go out of the window.

My issue with this 'great romance' that I really find it hard to believe that her and Cameron love each other. there's no chemistry, but they also don't act like an everyday couple who cared for a kid together, went to work, just lived their life together. They just don't seem intimate in any way, or even relaxed in each other's company.

I really don't think she's beyond redemption though. TBH I don't understand why people are implying that she murdered gennie, and why she's getting the flack for it. She acted in the heat of the moment, did something remarkably stupid (chasing someone at high speed) under pressure and Gennie had a potentially fatal accident as a result. She did cause the accident, but Cameron is the one who had it in him to murder a seriously injured, defenceless person. Gennie might well have died as a result of her injuries, but that does not make Debbie a murderer - that's why the legal system has crimes like manslaughter, and 'death by dangerous driving.' There is a vast difference between someone who can knowing kill a person and someone who causes death accidentally.

Sorry for rambling on there”

Oh i agree it is about time she stopped acting spoilt and thinking that her family are at her peak and call ...

I wish they would be consistant with the writing for her , like you say held a good relationship with Andy and acually when he had his breakdown she was very supportive of him and he even thanked her for being so understanding given all that had gone on with her and Jo etc ..

Imagie what Andy would do if debbie's involvment came out ...he would take those kids , get full custody and that would be that i imagine ....
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