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Old 26-07-2013, 09:25
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1. The fact that The Master is supposed to be The Doctor's brother

2. The fact that it was sensationally revealed that The Doctor is half human.

any ideas why?

Obviously I know point 2 was deleted from Doctor Who history as it is a pile of ----(insert your own 4 letter word)
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Old 26-07-2013, 09:45
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I don't think 1 was ever officially explored, was it?

I think classic Who was hinting at something with the Masters cut off dialogue in Planet of Fire but that was it!
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Old 26-07-2013, 09:45
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1/ It isn't true
2/ You answered that question yourself
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Old 26-07-2013, 11:38
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1. The Doctor and the Master being brothers was first planned during the Pertwee era. Apparently, it was abandoned due to the death of Roger Delgado. It reared its ugly head again during prepations for the 1990s TV series which never got further than the initial TV Movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VjuZN2gedQ
With designer Richard Lewis, Segal and Leekley prepared an expensive and extensive series bible, The Chronicles Of Doctor Who?, to introduce Doctor Who in general, and the proposed new series in particular. Segal had envisioned this version as largely divorced from the original BBC series -- although the basic concepts of Doctor Who were adhered to, the programme's mythos would be completely rewritten. The bible was written from the perspective of Cardinal Barusa (a misspelling of Borusa, a character who had first appeared in Season Fourteen's The Deadly Assassin).

It introduced the Doctor and the Master, half-brothers and sons of the lost Time Lord explorer Ulysses, Borusa's son. When the evil Master becomes President of the Time Lords upon Borusa's death, the Doctor flees Gallifrey in a rickety old TARDIS to find Ulysses. Borusa's spirit becomes enmeshed in the TARDIS, enabling Borusa to advise his grandson. The Doctor takes the TARDIS to "the Blue Planet" to search for Ulysses, the native world of the Doctor's mother.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_%28TV_story%29

However, as it has never been mentioned on-screen (except as a joke during The Sound of Drums), it doesn't count.

2. The half-human thing was another part of the proposed story arc for the 8th Doctor in the abandoned 1990s version. Unfortunately, this did find its way on-screen as part of the TV Movie.

It was merely a story arc which was never developed further on-screen, just like the "Caramel Masterplan" had been for the previous production team.
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Old 26-07-2013, 12:19
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1. The fact that The Master is supposed to be The Doctor's brother
Nope, the Tenth more or less dismissed that in S3 when Martha suggested it ("you've been watching too much tv")
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Old 26-07-2013, 12:53
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1. The fact that The Master is supposed to be The Doctor's brother
This was invented by fans, and is in no way true, and never was.

2. The fact that it was sensationally revealed that The Doctor is half human.
RTD was to have a line in The End of Time where the Doctor recalled using a Chameleon Arc in San Francisco years ago to become part-human but it was cut.
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Old 26-07-2013, 12:53
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1. The Doctor and the Master being brothers was first planned during the Pertwee era. Apparently, it was abandoned due to the death of Roger Delgado. It reared its ugly head again during prepations for the 1990s TV series which never got further than the initial TV Movie.
Wasn't it different aspects of the same personality, not brothers?
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Old 26-07-2013, 12:55
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This was invented by fans, and is in no way true, and never was.



RTD was to have a line in The End of Time where the Doctor recalled using a Chameleon Arc in San Francisco years ago to become part-human but it was cut.
BIB - Planet of Fire very strongly implies that the Doctor and Master are brothers, and JNT intended it that way.

And your other point - wow, I didn't know that! Very interesting. Wish they'd done that and put it to bed once and for all.
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Old 26-07-2013, 13:01
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I mentioned this on another thread, but the half-human thing can be easily discounted (if you want to) by something RTD had the Doctor say in The Stolen Earth two-parter. When the half-human Doctor 10.5 is created the Doctor tells Donna that the heartbeat she could hear earlier was 10.5's heartbeat echoing backwards through time because of the metacrisis.

There's nothing to say that the echo couldn't have reverberated even further back in time, and that the creation of the half-human 10.5 is something the Eighth picked up on in his slightly frazzled post-regenerative state.

It's a pet theory of mine anyway, but would fit with established canon.
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Old 26-07-2013, 13:04
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I mentioned this on another thread, but the half-human thing can be easily discounted (if you want to) by something RTD had the Doctor say in The Stolen Earth two-parter. When the half-human Doctor 10.5 is created the Doctor tells Donna that the heartbeat she could hear earlier was 10.5's heartbeat echoing backwards through time because of the metacrisis.

There's nothing to say that the echo couldn't have reverberated even further back in time, and that the creation of the half-human 10.5 is something the Eighth picked up on in his slightly frazzled post-regenerative state.

It's a pet theory of mine anyway, but would fit with established canon.
The same episode has this exchange:

Donna: So you're... half human?
Doctor: Uggh, that's disgusting!

So that basically states outright that the half-human thing never really happened.
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Old 26-07-2013, 13:06
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With designer Richard Lewis, Segal and Leekley prepared an expensive and extensive series bible, The Chronicles Of Doctor Who?, to introduce Doctor Who in general, and the proposed new series in particular. Segal had envisioned this version as largely divorced from the original BBC series -- although the basic concepts of Doctor Who were adhered to, the programme's mythos would be completely rewritten. The bible was written from the perspective of Cardinal Barusa (a misspelling of Borusa, a character who had first appeared in Season Fourteen's The Deadly Assassin).

It introduced the Doctor and the Master, half-brothers and sons of the lost Time Lord explorer Ulysses, Borusa's son. When the evil Master becomes President of the Time Lords upon Borusa's death, the Doctor flees Gallifrey in a rickety old TARDIS to find Ulysses. Borusa's spirit becomes enmeshed in the TARDIS, enabling Borusa to advise his grandson. The Doctor takes the TARDIS to "the Blue Planet" to search for Ulysses, the native world of the Doctor's mother.

*Tries not to be sick out of sheer horror*
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