1. No she didn't.

2. Yes it is.

3. See points 1 & 2.

4. Hazel went from saying on Thursday night "If Gina is saved tomorrow it's because the public must be entertained by spoilt, lazy bitches" to kissing Gina's arse 24 hours later. To be fair Gina was saved and did get huge cheers and 'Gina! Gina! Gina!' chants. I've no idea what changed Hazel's opinion on Gina it will remain one of life's unsolved mysteries.

5. Afternoon Patsy hope you're well.

I'm not saying you should. everyone has their own view on such things, even if I find them a bit prudish. I'm just wondering if your view has been consistent and whether I could expect to find similar comments about other HMs that have done/aspired to do topless modelling.

It just that it seems to me that many people's moral values are relative to those that their fave/most disliked have in any given series.

And how do you feel about the idea that Gina aspires to be like Tamara Ecclestone - as big a vacuous leech as they come, not to mention someone who does topless modelling?

BIB: I think 'natural' might be stretching it a bit.

Why does everyone ask this? Isn't it obvious? Hazel lied about the audition tape and made Gina look like an idiot so Gina thinks she is devious and doesn't trust her. And she turned against her even more for the Daley thing.

How do you know what type of make up she is wearing.Under the camera lights the make up reacts and looks different? Absolute codswallop! If she wants to wear a weave that colour that is her choice.If she had wore a red,blue,green etc.weave what would you have said? How do you know the colour of the people who critisized MJ and Brian Belo.?

The highlighted part is to say that may be the case with others but you punched low and nasty with Gina because you don't know if that is the case!

Why did Hazel deny it then?

I don't even know who Tamara Ecclestone is

I'm talking about in the real world, not the artificial one where people pretend to hold certain values to endear themselves to a gullible public who don't possess the critical ability to look beyond whatever someone claims to be the case.[/quote]

So were supposed to judge them on what went on in the outside world? Are we to form our opinions from what the newspapers write? So Hazel really did hook-up with Coolio? Ill pass. I'll watch what happens on the show and judge from there.

I don't know if it's true and never claimed to. I do believe it's a possibility though. And if it makes you feel better to ignore the possibility or even engage in a debate, but instead call me a sad attention seeker for daring to raise the question then it say a lot about how closed minded you are.

The Sallie thing, fair enough. I do think Gina started that feud. But Jemima and Hazel was not her fault. How would you like it if you were black and you were listening to someone say she'd never date a black person? That is racist and I know I'd be offended. As for Hazel, Hazel lied about her audition tape in front of everyone to make Gina look stupid and Gina didn't like HazelxDaley. And you can't say that 'Gina wants to be white'. It's no wonder you're supporting Jemima's stupid comments and hating on Gina.

Ridiculous isn't it?

She DID NOT.


VT - I come from Dublin in lovely Ireland and I do a bit of modelling. I do press and media and I'm known as the controversial one. Basically [laughs] my living every day is made by stirring things up. {cut in picture}

To stir things up you've got to have something put in front of you and you add it up, you plot it and then it goes from there. [starts to laugh] it's the evil inside [continuing to laugh].

Transcript:

Gina and Dexter exchange re Vt...... then

Gina: HAZEL! Now. Well. I don't know. Does anyone else want to speak.

Hazel: Jesus! What did I do?

Gina: You said that I'm going to integrate in the group for, like, two weeks or so and then I'm going to shit stir and I'm going to stir the pot.

Hazel: Shit stir?

Gina: Yeah.

Hazel: That was my word, 'shit stir'?

Gina: Yeah.

Hazel: Shit stir?

Gina: more like, definitely, stir the pot and you said - what else was it again, what esel was it again. You remember. You're evil inside or something like that.

Hazel: I genuinely don't think I said I'm evil inside because why would anyone say I'm evil inside?

Twin: Hazel, you can be as evil inside as you wanna be (growl).

Hazel: Well it's two weeks now so I'd better start stirring the shit. Even though I never say stirring shit. I never use that term.

Jackie: I don't think she said stirring the shit. I don't think she said that.

Gina: What? Then it was stir the pot. Jackie you saw that, you saw it.

Jackie: I would say it but I do not honestly remember her saying that she would stir shit.

Hazel: I definitely didn't say stir shit.

Wolfie: I don't remember.

Gina: You do remember Wolfie. Don't even leave me hanging.

Hazel: No, I just know I wouldnt say stirring shit, I don't use that term.

Gina: That made me look the bad one becase we all saw it

So were supposed to judge them on what went on in the outside world? Are we to form our opinions from what the newspapers write? So Hazel really did hook-up with Coolio? Ill pass. I'll watch what happens on the show and judge from there.[/quote]

Where possible, yes. it gives us a much better insight into how 'real' they are in the house. And I'm not saying we should believe whatever we read in the papers; that would be as bad as believing whatever people say in the house. They key is to evaluate what you hear/read - whatever the source is. And to say that Gina said she has a girl code therefore she does is an example of exactly the type of uncritical thinking I was talking about.

I dare to call you sad not for daring to raise the question but for the low nasty way you did it and the way you lazily implied the reasons why you suspect Gina is jealous of Hazel.As for engaging in a debate with nasty prejudiced views like that forget it.Calling someone jealous because of XYZ with no real reason but your menacing thoughts doesn't interest me in the least!

Jealous of her looks and hair.

Where possible, yes. it gives us a much better insight into how 'real' they are in the house. And I'm not saying we should believe whatever we read in the papers; that would be as bad as believing whatever people say in the house. They key is to evaluate what you hear/read - whatever the source is. And to say that Gina said she has a girl code therefore she does is an example of exactly the type of uncritical thinking I was talking about.[/quote]

So have you found anything on Gina that proves she does not adhere to the "girl code"

I entirely agree with this.

No it isn't. Not at all. Some of the other stuff she said was stupid (but not racist), but Gina implied she was racist on the basis that Jemima said she "doesn't generally go for black men".

And Hazel never lied about her VT - Gina did. The only part of it that's even up for debate is whether or not Gina deliberately misrepresented what Hazel said, or genuinely got it wrong. I'm inclined to believe it was deliberate.

Hmm. Ok. Thanks.

To me, I haven't seen anything that makes me suspect (to use your word) that Gina wishes to be white.

- white facial make-up: could be the blend of tone that best covers her skin condition.
-blonde extensions: many black (and white) people experiment with different hair colours. You just need to glance into the many different Afro-Caribbean beauty shops to see the many different colour wigs and hair pieces available. To me, a black lady wearing a blonde weave doesn't mean they want to be white. To me, it's simply fashion and the style they want to wear at that time and that is their choice.
-the Sloan accent: maybe just maybe that's her real accent?

And on Brian Bello and MJ: their cases are different. IMO, Brian was just a fashion victim. I mean a black man with relaxed hair? How so 60s! The last black man that wore that style with class was the great late Sammy Davis Jr.

On MJ: that is a complicated matter. Many people - black and white had plenty to say about him.

Lastly, I'm fed up of all the everyone is jealous of Hazel mantra. Could it simply be Gina dislikes her for reasons to do with Hazel's actions and behaviour towards Gina in the house and nothing at all to do with jealousy? Can some simply comprehend this?

Because she thinks Hazel is sly and manipulative,ever since she saw that 'evil inside' vt Gina has disliked Hazel.
Also when she watched Hazel in the safe house and saw her flirting with Daley she took great exception to Hazel's conduct.

She called Hazel a 'sket' i.e a lady of loose virtue which is ironic considering the way Gina chooses to dress.

I do think Gina is a little jealous also but thats is not the main reason in Gina's case. She doesn't feel Hazel is a 'girls girl'. Simply,she just doesn't like her which is fair enough.

Jemima said she goes for Mediterranean dark skinned men but not black men. there was no generally about it.


Both Jackie and Wolfy were shocked by what Hazel said on her VT until it actually came to saying it to Hazel's face when they both suddenly developed an acute case of selective amnesia.

Watch the clip of them viewing Hazel's VT, it cannot be denied.

Take a couple of Co-Codamol, read my posts back and you'll see that I've never stated that I know that it is the case.

And I'm pretty much immune to accusations from most on here claiming to be outraged about 'nasty' comments. I used to think they might be sincere, but then I started looking at their own comments about other HMs and realised that it's mostly faux outrage bollocks.


she's Gina's idol. Check her out. Lives off her parents money, shallow as anything. And she does topless modelling.


No. It was the fact I raised it at all, as you've confirmed in subsequent posts.

Now go and pretend to be angry at someone else.

Nothing wrong with that if that's her preference. Gina can shove the race card where the sun doesn't shine.

She can buy Hazel's extensions when she comes out so thats easily fixed.
Light brown,18 inch sorted...

And in Gina's case no it is not just jealousy.
I rarely defend Gina but she does seem to genuinely dislike Hazel for her actions rather than her looks.

I find it peculiar and distasteful some fm's stating that Gina wants to be 'white' just because she happens to have chosen a blonde weave.
Beyonce was blonde at one point ,does she want to be white??

So silly.

What was wrong was that Jemima told Gina that Gina would not date white guys.