I agree she had every right to say it, but with Gina in the room there was no need for the extra clarification from Jemima as to her preferences.

If Sam was in the room I wouldn't expect Jemima to say she would never go out with a deaf man, even if that's what she felt.

It was after hearing that that Gina said she thought she'd experienced racism. She said 'not black' to signify the type of men she does go for (darker looking Mediterranean).

And what does others claiming to be shocked have to do with anything? We're talking about whether Gina accurately repeated later what Hazel said in the tape. she didn't. Full stop.

I applaud your fairness and objectivity as I know you are not a Gina fan. Thank God there are still posters like you about.

Who has said that? Gina is jealous because Hazel is good looking and Gina is pig awful.

Perhaps, although that's a long way from saying she's racist, as Gina implied and some of her fans think.

People do articulate themselves poorly at times.

Why not? It's called honesty.

Any proof that she does/has?

That's the best you can come up with?

I think Gina dislikes Hazel for many reasons one being hearing Hazel talking to Wolfy in secret about Gina and when Gina asked if they were OK, Hazel said yes they were but she knew they weren't. Then whilst Jackie was there, the praise from Hazel towards Jackie for nominating her in a spectacular way and again siding with Jackie over the drink, then there is the Daley thing which Gina didn't like at all, then there is what Hazel has said about Callum who Gina seems to like and she also saw Hazel say that she didn't like how Gina is all about the money.

It has also got something to do with how you see a person, if Gina feels that Hazel is sly and manipulative then she has probably read situations since that tie in with Hazel being sly and manipulative. It's what happens here on the forum, we tend to see someone as one thing and believe a lot of subsequent actions prove it like Gina being Jealous of Hazel but I don't believe she is.

Is Gina jealous of Charlie & Sophie too?

Is that a 'no'?

I don't know.

Gina didn't accurately repeat verbatim what Hazel said (nor should she be expected to) but she did convey the general tone of the VT. Hazel implied she was going to play nice for a couple of weeks and the stir things up in the house, which is pretty much what Hazel has done.

Hazel tried to deflect and call Gina out on lying by concentrating on the exact wording, just like Hazel's defenders do.

Last night Hazel lied about saying that Charlie was aggressive to Callum, when she was caught out she changed it to imply that she was talking about the what she'd said in the DR. She tried to make out Charlie was mistaken because she was as Hazel put it "Drunk as a skunk".

When Hazel is is arguing she twists and wriggles a bit like a snake trying to escape. When she's caught out she tries to change the argument or to denigrate the person she's arguing with. Hazel would have got away with last night's argument if it had happened a few weeks ago but I think the HMs are finally sussing her out.

Well, plenty of people have argued that.

And your deliberate misresentation of what I said is part of the reason why what should be a valid debate will never get off the ground. For the last time, I never stated that she wanted to be white; I suggested it, along with other reasons, as a possibility.

why is it silly to suggest, as a possibility, that Gina wants to be white, given what we've seen of her? I've seen plenty of posters on here accuse white girls of wanting to be black because of the way they dress, speak, fake tan etc. Aisleyne in particular was accused of it a lot, including in the house by Grace. And those claims haven't been met with anything like the outrage that me suggesting, as a possibility, that Gina wants to be white has.

I think Gina was totally wrong to fly off the handle and should have handled it far more calmly but Jemima subsequently telling Gina she wouldn't go out with a white man only added fuel to the flames.

I don't think Jemima is a racist just a little insensitive and silly.

No indication she wouldn't and I would not assume she wouldn't because she is black.

So it's a 'no' then.

Do you have proof she wouldn't?

Dexter described Gina as mixed race the other day and Gina got most annoyed and said she was not mixed race she was black.

Not something a person wanting to be white would say I should think.

So if you don't know why say she is jealous of her looks and hair?

Because she IS jealous of Hazel. I said I don't know if she is jealous of Charlie or Sophie. Do keep up.

clearly the threshold for what passes as beautiful these days is very low.

shes ok average but nothing beyond that, to claim beautiful is pushing it a lot.

why would anyone feel jealous of hazel .. at least gina gives some inkling of having a heart .

problem with hazel is that its always about her ambition and no one else matters.

They both have hair and are goodlooking so why isn't she jealous of them?

Agreed.

You always state your points calmly, reasonably (with concrete proof) and with humour. My kind of poster. No ass-licking (what do I have to gain?). Just simple respect for your style of posting.

I never said beautiful I said good looking there is a big difference.