The opposite I think. People who try very hard not to cry in public are often frightened by the strength of their emotions, and fear that they might be overwhelmed by them if they do not keep control.

Yes, agree.

Yes, once. Are you hoping everyone has forgotten all the times she has hugged Charlie?


How silly to say that she 'goaded' Charlie. They had a playfight in which Charlie visibly got too rough. It is no use pretending that is not so. Hazel was prodding Charlie in a teasing kind of way and Charlie just whacked her. Then Hazel was CALLED TO the diary room by BB. It was Charlie, and only Charlie, who wanted to make a huge drama of it. If it had been left to Hazel there would have been no drama at all. I am sorry if the intrusion of facts spoils some of the pleasure you are taking in your silly fiction, but there we are.

Yup. What primitive, unpleasant emotions Hazel seems to bring out in people.

What precisely is the difference between 'self pity' and 'emotion'? Which emotion was the one that made her struggle not to cry after reading her mother's letter?

Yeah ok, we will see where that gets her in a few months time. She'll be in Nuts getting it all out and wanting those Nobodies to notice her then.

Yes, but this is not a Gina thread and no one brought her up only you seem to do when you need to defend Hazel.

maybe if you changed the record and compared her to someone else it be different.

You lambast the Gina fans, but really you as bad as them.

When she doesn't cry she gets criticized for being cold and unemotional.

On the odd occasion she does cry she's accused of playing the victim or doing so out of self-pity .

Just seems like she can't win.

I have more respect for Hazel's restraint than Callum's pretense over Sam's letter.

It's easy to fake laughing, concern, sympathy, fear and any number of reactions .. Crying however is the tough one. Maybe it's actually to her credit that she can't fake crying?

Well said Wonkey. Exactly how I saw it.

I'm not sure why you are asking.

Emotion is an rather general word to describe feelings.
Self pity is a specific feeling

I'm surprised I had to tell you that.

Why do you think they're bad?

Any-who, let's discuss the hms, not the fms, shall we?

^ This, pretty much. There is vitriol over anything related to her. Not a lot of camera time, BB is hiding her to make people forget about the reason certain people hate her. On camera, she is ruining the show. No matter what she says or does, she is criticised. Honestly, I don't even find her interesting enough to dislike.

Crying dosen't make you fake.

I don't think Callum was pretending at all. Some people cry easily and some people cry rarely. It really is not a moral issue, any more than the fact that some people are tall and some people are short.

You have told me nothing. If someone cries at a letter from their mother, is it 'self pity' or 'emotion'?

It's not actually, it's correct about events, charlie was rough and careless and hurt hazel.
but it's entirely untrue... Absolutely untrue ..... to say only Charlie wanted a drama, because Hazel also dramatised

Fact

You asked what the difference was and I answered thoroughly and correctly. Would you like me to rewrite your question for you so you can see what you asked?

Now you are asking a different question that does not relate to my point.

So, I don't know why you're asking me that either.

If you had a drunk woman who can't get a coherent sentence out following you around the house, do you think you might react a little bit?

Let me get this straight. I don't think the majority are that bad. Just as i don't think the majority of any HM's fans are bad. Just each HM have fans who are obsessed with other HM's or have to create hate threads for them. And its the same people doing it.

So Hazel only 'prodded' Charlie, yet Charlie 'whacked' Hazel?

Then she should have received a warning as the evidence would surely be there?

there's nothing wrong with not wanting to cry or be overly emotional but there is something wrong with someone who is so cynical that they automatically assume the worst of a person who was trying to be nice & symapathetic towards them, especially when that person adores her & hangs off her every word. she's a cold, cold woman

This is why Callum should have got involved sooner.

Where are the 'hate threads' that I created?

Exactly!!

There would be a thread about her regardless of what she did.

Charlie was amazingly coherent considering she was 'as drunk as a skunk'. Lets face it, Charlie was proven right after, the 'I'm sober' Hazel was proven to have lied.

No, it's opinion.

Hazel didn't want to make a drama out of the cucumber incident and thus why she played it down, both in the DR and once she came out of the DR.

BB have tried every dirty trick in the book to break Hazel. Feeding her the haters opinions; eating disgusting food, gunging, least popular task, wearing a snake suit, etc.

I see her being strong as her being determined not to give BB or the haters the satisfaction.

The dishonesty of language is transparent. It makes one value the resultant opinion far less.

I thought Hazel had made clear why she doesn't cry in public. She considers it a weakness and she thinks it gives people something to use against her. Without knowing why she feels so strongly about it being a sign of weakness that people will take advantage of there's no way to know anymore.

And really I don't personally need to know why she feels this way. She is allowed to conduct herself in any manner she chooses.