Without doubt.

And Hazel isn't ?

Spot on.

No she's not the strongest ever.

Maybe not frightening but definately depressing

She is real even Dexter said this to Dan. Amazing woman..

She is, but not when Daley was around. How many times did she pursue him for cuddles? She was at that point quite needy, in contrast to her strength.

Why would you want young viewers to admire someone that when a man got an erection they would purposefully make him hug them even though he had a gf? What has she done at all that makes her a good example for young people? Show an example of how to suppress emotion, which is very unhealthy, and snap at friends that ask if you're ok? I'm glad young people don't aspire to this. I'm not a Gina fan, but she shows great loyalty to her boyfriend, she is polite, she doesn't go around saying '**** this' all the time, she mediates, and if these are the traits young people think are valuable then great.

BIB Hope you rethink this. You bring a lot to the forum and your posts would be missed.

The legend of Hazel is being created before our very eyes, she's been booed a couple of times and has eaten a pig's nose.

The strongest HMs are the ones that have stayed strong while the rest of the house has been against them. Dexter, Gina and Callum beat her hands down in this series alone.

Good point. It's an good indicator of how the MSM has changed world views as to what are 'admirable' character traits, for the younger generation. Gina, as an example, even her art work, tonight, indicated how self centered she is, a full painting of herself - not one other HM drew themselves but her - says it all really.

I think she has just developed a hard shell. She said she got lots of abuse texts etc when her ex boyfriend died .Sadly she is going to be one of those people who seem to attract this sort of attention because of the circles she goes in. Hazel seems to be a bit fame hungry. Also this is proof with her choice of men.

Now she hasn't got Dan's big strong arms of the law to hide in, we'll see if she's up to their standard.


At least she was strong enough to try to stop the terrible cucumber ordeal this time. You know, rather than actively challenging Charlie to do her worst.


Her eyeball is certainly one of the strongest in the world, evidently.

Thank you. You've cheered me up.

Haha, that's amusing. Dexter crying at the drop of a hat, face screwed up when he gets boos, cried on his fake eviction, changing his remit to 'like' everybody. Gina badmouthing people, at the beginning, as 'common', or their families are no doubt ashamed of them - such strong coping skills when cornered. Also, calling someone she'd hardly known evil, and still does, for what reason - I don't know. Not exactly what I'd call 'strong' personality characteristics.

None of theses Hms have been told they are hated etc. Gina has got tasks galore to make her look good. and lots of positive feedback. Likewise Dexter.
Calum has suffered nothing. except his triangle angst. He has had several nice tasks too.
Hazel has had nothing but negative feed back, she has had no tasks etc to warm people to her.She was physically attacked. Last week she got the message, she was hated, and noone wanted to even look at her. Lower than low was the message.So no I think Hazel has had it the worst.

I am sure she said in her VT her looks are formulated.

The first quote is what I replied to so where you got me saying about admiration and a good example, I just don't know

Agreed. Shilpa put up with more than ANY other housemate I've seen through the course of BB. To listen to that and not walk shows great strength.

I would say Hazel is strong though. She seems to be liked in the house, bar Gina but its the public perception that is not so receptive. She knows what they think of her - and that must be hard - yet she to carry on.

She's a strong woman and regardless of what any of us think of her - she'll be fine after the show.

Other strong HM's have been IMO, Aishleyne Walace, Rachel Rice, Mo BB9, Deena BB13.

Hazel isn't strong, she seems completely ambivalent most of the time. There's nothing decisive about her and she revealed the weird thing tonight about not wanting to show any sign of emotion, which leaves her looking like an android at times.

Why she fears emotions we may never know, but there's something lacking in her as a result.

Oh don't throw in the towel Patsy. The forum need more of you not less.

However regarding your last comment, the thing I can't square is that each week when I walk through the entertainments parts of our city I see young women falling down drunk, trotting about in dresses that are barely more than baby doll nighties even in sub zero temperatures, showing themselves off to inebriated young men etc. I have no problem with that - If youv'e got it flaunt it.

But then I come on here and read posts apparently also from young women who are judging their peers for moral indiscretion and would make Mother Teresa seem racey.

Dexter and Gina have been up every single week, they were voted the most hated by the public in week one. In the first week no-one even talked to Gina, Dexter was called a snake by almost every HM. Both of them have been ignored and ridiculed by the HMs, it's only now that the other HMs realise the public like them that the other HMs have accepted them.

First, he had told her he didn't have a girlfriend. In that case, all bets are off. Not the most savoury behaviour on national TV, but women have needs and urges too.

Secondly, she's shown incredible strength and resilience; independence and ambition. All of these are admirable - much more admirable than sneering about the brand of someone's clothes, glorying in spending offensive amounts of money on shoes and boasting about not working for a living.

Thirdly, she showed a whole range of emotions tonight. She was probably the most genuinely affected after the letters from home. Because she wasn't moaning in paroxysms of grief, this subtle but very genuine demonstration of emotion may have been missed by some viewers. Then we also saw her truly happy and carefree and fun-loving in the garden. Then we saw her angry and upset at Charlie's rampant dose of foot in mouth.

Fourthly, Gina's tends to prefer co*ksuckers, I'll give you that.

Thank you!

I completely agree with what you say. Me and OH went to a 21st birthday bash recently and the skirts were no longer than two and a half inches, the shoes were no lower than a foot and a half and the tops were no less than two sizes too small. When we were young you either showed your cleavage or your legs - never both.

I did have the best laugh I've had in ages though as one of them tottered precariously towards the loo. The Proclaimers '500 miles' came on and OH said '500 miles? She can't walk 500 yards!'.

And thats why we need you on here. X