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Sly Charlie
jenni talia
29-07-2013
Definitely knew what she was doing, she even averted her eyes after she said Daley's name and kept them averted. She might as well of sat looking round while whistling it was so obvious It's as if she thinks it'll look like an innocuous casual remark, when in reality she's reminding the public of what happened with Daley in case we've started to like her.
Cunning stunt.
jenni talia
29-07-2013
Oops wrong post
Mr Jazzman
29-07-2013
She's not that smart. Probably one of the stupidest HM's of all time.
jenni talia
29-07-2013
Hmm not so sure, she's very sly, letting half a sentence slip out then acting all 'oh silly me i didn't meant to say that'
kaceyy
29-07-2013
i can see why she said that, she sort of had a point too, the fact she was inebriated is the reason it slipped out but even then she did retract her statement so i don't see what makes Charlie sly to be fair.

It slightly aggravates me how Charlie is always chastised for saying anything while the rest of them can say what they want whether it offends someone or not.
Mr Jazzman
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by kaceyy:
“i can see why she said that, she sort of had a point too, the fact she was inebriated is the reason it slipped out but even then she did retract her statement so i don't see what makes Charlie sly to be fair.”

What point did she have?
jimjohnson
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by kaceyy:
“i can see why she said that, she sort of had a point too, the fact she was inebriated is the reason it slipped out but even then she did retract her statement so i don't see what makes Charlie sly to be fair.”

She's done it too many times now. Always picking on the most hurtful or damaging point with great skill. These are not accidents.
kaceyy
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by Mr Jazzman:
“What point did she have?”

That Daley as far as she knew was mild mannered and a nice enough guy, and under the influence things got out of hand in the safe house and misconstrued to look aggressive so he was ousted, so to Charlie knowing she wasn't being aggressive to Hazel, yet Hazel had taken issue with something which was essentially just a bit of fun, Charlie felt she was being wrongly chastised for having a bit of fun with someone she felt close to..

She did also retract her statement as she felt she was wrong, but i don't see that she had any need to do so, although in all fairness to both sides of the argument Charlie was not there to see what happened between Daley and Hazel so in a way it was a little ignorant.
kaceyy
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by jimjohnson:
“She's done it too many times now. Always picking on the most hurtful or damaging point with great skill. These are not accidents.”

First of all, i always think about intent, Sallie calling someone a prostitute or saying abhorrent statements for controversy i feel get excused as sallie "being real or just speaking what she thought" while as with Charlie i feel she doesn't have malice in anything she says or does. I feel she may say the wrong thing from time to time but I;m sure we all do, chastising her all the time for speaking will only make her less like her real self and in the end she will only say things that are safe and very pc in which case people will say shes being fake and trying to be too nice, so she really can't win..

In my view she isn't coming across to me as someone who is spiteful in what she says, and with her being 27 i don't feel she owes it to anyone in there to have to apologize all the time and allow people to put her down for everything she says or feels.
jenni talia
29-07-2013
Why would she be so sure that Daley was kicked out for seeming to be aggressive when he didn't meant it? unless Hazel has told them all thats what happened, if she has why haven't we seen it?
kaceyy
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by jenni talia:
“Why would she be so sure that Daley was kicked out for seeming to be aggressive when he didn't meant it? unless Hazel has told them all thats what happened, if she has why haven't we seen it?”

Yes this i agree with, i think she probably meant knowing what she did of Daley as a person, it didn't fit in with the idea that he had been kicked out for being aggressive, but you are right she can't be sure as she wasn't there to her credit she did retract her statement before she even finished her point, although Hazel wanted to drag it out to try and make Charlie look bad imo i think Hazel was trying to play the victim much like she did that night.
jimjohnson
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by kaceyy:
“First of all, i always think about intent, Sallie calling someone a prostitute or saying abhorrent statements for controversy i feel get excused as sallie "being real or just speaking what she thought" while as with Charlie i feel she doesn't have malice in anything she says or does. I feel she may say the wrong thing from time to time but I;m sure we all do, chastising her all the time for speaking will only make her less like her real self and in the end she will only say things that are safe and very pc in which case people will say shes being fake and trying to be too nice, so she really can't win..

In my view she isn't coming across to me as someone who is spiteful in what she says, and with her being 27 i don't feel she owes it to anyone in there to have to apologize all the time and allow people to put her down for everything she says or feels.”

I commend your faith in human nature. Who am I to deny you of that? Maybe I'm just a jaded old geezer ?
Tracker321
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by jimjohnson:
“She's done it too many times now. Always picking on the most hurtful or damaging point with great skill. These are not accidents.”

Charlie has also been supportive especially with reassuring Hazel when she (Hazel) felt that her letter from home did not provide the glowing comments she expected.
kaceyy
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by jimjohnson:
“I commend your faith in human nature. Who am I to deny you of that? Maybe I'm just a jaded old geezer ? ”

lol i appreciate i could well be wrong and Charlie could well be the biggest most spiteful housemate in disguise, however from what i see i genuinely just feel she gets pushed down a little too much instead of being allowed to feel whatever she wants, i mean we have housemates who are down right in your face with their maliciousness and it's just just seen as "keeping it real", for instance Jasmine from celebrity big brother or even Janice dickenson, both who i feel are given free reign to say what they want and on the spin off show all that gets said is, it's really refreshing they say what they want no matter who likes it, yet with someone less aggressive and in your face like Charlie, everytime she says something accidentally, if it offends someone everyone seems to chastise her for it which is really beginning to grate on me.
jenni talia
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by jimjohnson:
“I commend your faith in human nature. Who am I to deny you of that? Maybe I'm just a jaded old geezer ? ”

I too used to have faith in human nature...
Alrightmate
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by jenni talia:
“Why would she be so sure that Daley was kicked out for seeming to be aggressive when he didn't meant it? unless Hazel has told them all thats what happened, if she has why haven't we seen it?”

The implication did seem to be there that Daley might not have done anything wrong.
Otherwise why would she even think that she knows how Daley must have felt if she felt that she herself had done nothing wrong?

With Charlie, for me it's less about her putting her foot in it and telling people what she thinks and offending them instead of keeping quiet, it's more about what she thinks in the first place.
It's the fact that she even thinks these things at all, not that she mistakenly offends anyone from saying them.
Tall Paul
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“The implication did seem to be there that Daley might not have done anything wrong.
Otherwise why would she even think that she knows how Daley must have felt if she felt that she herself had done nothing wrong?

With Charlie, for me it's less about her putting her foot in it and telling people what she thinks and offending them instead of keeping quiet, it's more about what she thinks in the first place.
It's the fact that she even thinks these things at all, not that she mistakenly offends anyone from saying them.”

This. ^
lucy mane
29-07-2013
She made a comment about Gina that Dexter thought could be seen as racist but it was never shown. She is being protected. That is why Gina told her to watch what she was saying.
REDBUS
29-07-2013
She had her game-face on in that moment I'm sure of it ,don't think people appreciate how bad she really wants to win/get to final .

She's not that innocent
MissBeastie
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by jenni talia:
“Definitely knew what she was doing, she even averted her eyes after she said Daley's name and kept them averted. She might as well of sat looking round while whistling it was so obvious It's as if she thinks it'll look like an innocuous casual remark, when in reality she's reminding the public of what happened with Daley in case we've started to like her.
Cunning stunt. ”

Completely agree. Casually applying her grey lipliner etc.
planets
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by lucy mane:
“She made a comment about Gina that Dexter thought could be seen as racist but it was never shown. She is being protected. That is why Gina told her to watch what she was saying.”

i missed that one, what did she say?
jenni talia
29-07-2013
Originally Posted by REDBUS:
“She had her game-face on in that moment I'm sure of it ,don't think people appreciate how bad she really wants to win/get to final .

She's not that innocent”

Yes, totally agree
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