I noticed in last night's lf of the cucumber incident that Charlie did not immediately say sorry to Hazel, although she did say it was an accident. Similarly, when she made it worse by referring to 'the Daley thing' in the bedroom, she certainly could have helped herself by apologising profusely but she just mumbled about how she'd stopped herself saying more.

I then thought back to the many times she has put her foot in it and cannot remember her ever saying "I'm really sorry", which might have diffused the situation quicker.

I know saying sorry is quite hard sometimes but I reckon Charlie needs to learn the word more than other people. Her mother perhaps could too.

That all said, I don't agree that she is doing all these faux pas on purpose, as a game plan. She's just got a muddled brain and cannot get her thought processes in a straight line before speaking. She needs to address this when she leaves the house or she will lose friends constantly. I don't dislike her though.

Imo, Callam is the most manipulative hm I've seen in ages and so calculating. He was goading Dex to slip up in their conversation tonight. His voice and tone are so insincere & I'm amazed so many viewers have been taken in by him. Cannot abide the man!

There you go, my first post in a year or so. Prefer lurking these days as way too sensitive to be shot down by the newer posters on DS. It has changed so much over last few years.

definatly on purpose ..its her game plan..and the confused chatting ...is her cover up

She's not a teenager, she's a grown woman, she and her mother were and are the biggest game players in the house, Charlie knows exactly what she's doing and saying.

I'm sure I have heard Charlie apologising - in fact quite profusely sometimes! Can't remember if she said the sorry word this time though! I think she's getting fed up with being constantly accused of not thinking before she speaks.

You'd have to be highly intelligent to think on your toes & react so quickly i.e. to suddenly aim for the eye or respond in a conversation with the 'wrong' thing consistently. Charlie is not.

If I'm honest, I can see where Charlie was coming from when she spurted out 'like the Daley thing', although she should have kept her mouth shut. The way Hazel implied her Diary room call up was innacurate. Hazel is a cold fish and also very manipulative.

It is a different forum, used to be much more good-natured. Blame twitter I guess? But keep on posting, there is still much good discussion on here.

Otherwise, Charley is trying to play a game but not doing it very well. As always in BB a HM has to be very careful when choosing friends .... her "relationship" with Dexter and Callum is boring beyond belief as well as ridiculous. I've read on here that Charley doesn't enjoy being friends with woman? Not done her much good here has it? You should have kept the ladies onside Charley, your goose is cooked

Charlie turns from a repetitive, rambling bore into a MASSIVE, super repetitive ME, ME, ME freak after a small amount of alcohol - EVERY single time she drinks it.
She's a killer of conversation before alcohol - after alcohol she's very quickly a nightmare drunk.
I don't know if alcohol has become the 'allowed' substance of choice for Charlie after the coke addiction but it MUST be clear for her - as it is for many ex addicts, and for us viewers - that it is equally as toxic to her.
I believe the 'foot in mouth, Ooop's Charlie you didn't just say that' ploy was always, always a game plan but it becomes an obviously blatant, and clearly contrived nonsense when she's had a very little - she gives herself away easily.
I find her a very strange and troubling girl. She's 27, looks 37+ and acts in the minus of a very troubled young teen.
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Charlie is as big a pain in the ass as Hazel is..........they're both very manipulative & too quick to pull out the victim card!
Charlie continually whines, 'I don't think before I speak', she's almost 30 FGS, & can't keep trotting out that 'excuse' time & time again! She seems to think by saying this this absolves her of all responsibility. No it doesn't, for all actions there are consequences, people really need to stop indulging her.

BIB agree totally !

You have mainly said what I would have liked...... children learn very quickly right from wrong and later what/what not to say and their consequences.......so what has arrested Charlie's development.....

......if she is loved by family and friends, this awful trait in her should have been pointed out to her and sorted when she was a lot younger.....

I agree, but when her mother keeps saying, "That's Charlie, she's 27, she can look after herself" she is never going to learn. It seems her mother has controlled her while at the same time omitting to teach her some basic stuff.

1. Charlie was/is not high enough to fall from anywhere
2. This cucumber stuff is irrelevant
3. We already knew Charlie is a airhead
4. We already knew Hazel is a snake.

Yes, she keeps saying that Charlie makes her own decisions, but seeing her on the show, I beg to differ.......it seems that Jackie rules the roost and even decides who she can or cannot be friends with...

.....the product of a controlling parent......a child who cannot and will not think for themselves.....

Eh????

Apologies for my grammar - I meant she was innacurate regarding why she was called to the diary room. It was not to report on the incident, as a whole, which is what she implied. She was called by BB solely to see if her eye was ok. BB has to show due diligence.

She implied nothing of the sort. BB enquied about her eye. It was the first thing that asked as she sat down. Don't understand what you're trying to change here

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The pair of them can go fed up with them both, charlie yeh yeh yeh, and Hazel trying the be the victim all the time.

That's what I said - they only asked about her eye. But when Hazel came out she told everyone they had asked about the incident as a whole. That is a completely different slant on it, and innacurate.

Why does she and the other housemates keep saying she's naive and vunerable, she's 27 not 17? She said that she's been living in a bubble for 8 years. What's she been doing?

Agree with the above.
She is one of the most tactless people in the house and alcohol just exacerbates this part of her personality.

She is also, clearly, loving the obsessive attention from Callum, and is giving him cruel mixed messages.

Saying all that - Callum is a manipulative, sly, obsessive control freak and I think Charlie has bitten off more than she can chew there.

I got the impression that BB only wanted to know if Hazel's eye was not damaged and Hazel could have said 'yes it is fine' and stopped at that but she immediately said something along the lines of 'she was just heavy handed and drunk', which implied that she was defending Charley; which in turn implied that BB thought she had done something wrong. It was very subtle but I believe Hazel was saying that Charley had done something wrong.

they are all jealous of Hazel.

Clearly - it was a an attempt to disfigure her by cucumber.

Not really, when most of the girls in there are prettier then Hazel, Charlie Slays her.