Adult discussion is clearly beyond you, isn't it.

But I think this is a very interesting topic to discuss. There have been mentions of it through the series - but no real discussion. Gina and Dexter seem to have both materialised as media constructs in the months leading up to this year's BB. Dexter's selling himself as a former escort who ran lapdancing clubs and has a website that offers to sell kiss and tells to the highest bidder. Gina sells herself as the most spoiled girl in Britain. I can never remember any civilian BB contestants before who had these kinds of backstories. Yet, every time discussion about this is attempted, the Gina/Dexter fans jump all over the OPs and tell them to 'get a life' or similar erudite words of wisdom.

Well said

But it's not complimentary about G&D, therefore it's 'nasty' and the work of a 'hater'.

Yep, that's the level of debate from some on here.

Not really no, just when the OP bashes the person over and over again it can become annoying, Not saying they have to like that person, however is their a need to make a new thread every time, when you could leave it in one.

See you i can discuss with, because you don't make Nasty threads, you explain why you not fond of Gina, her fans etc and i respect that and respect you.

Its just when you see the same people and not just anyting Gina threads, Anti anyone threads really and its the same people gets my goat.

Im not a big fan of any if those though, I want Sophie to win. Im just being realistic.

I dislike Gina and agree with Patsy and Joe about her but I have started no threads about her and post on very few concerning her.
Threads cluttering the boards here are Hazel hate threads,one after the other saying the same stuff.

Gina and Dexter have manufactured persona's that's obvious. If their persona's are fake, then they are fake in the house. Nothing about either is real.
Dexter was explaining to Calum when drunk last night how he knows which traits to show and which to hide. Dexter has it all off pat and has engineered everything that has happened to him in the house deliberately. including that silly triangle.

Dexter is very clever and he has been a good Hm. Gina the same they have been well prepared and know how to get the public onside. Neither is genuine in anyway.

The thing is not to be entertaining but to be liked. When you are liked you get some leeway, empathy and people are on your side. All your mistakes and bitching will be excused and you will get away with murder.
If hated, no empathy will be given, people will delight in your suffering and blame you for it .No excuses are made even if you are in the right,and you wont get away with scratching your nose without vilification.

Thats BB and some of its fans for ya. Hypocrisy is the name of the game.

[quote=SpiderMan 83;67473180]Not really no, just when the OP bashes the person over and over again it can become annoying, Not saying they have to like that person, however is their a need to make a new thread every time, when you could leave it in one.

I do not 'bash' the people over and over again. I have an opinion and that has not changed and I have a right to voice it, if I wish. You do not have to read or respond to any of my posts.

As pointed out by other posters, in this thread, this topic has not really been discussed, I find it interesting in relation to the vilification of Hazel, mostly by BB itself, and the total hypocrisy of it all. Possibly the truth hurts, as everything I originally posted was factual.

Never mentioned any names and im not going to i think people can guess for themselves.

It's intersting to see the views of the british public. it is odd how its ok for dexter to use escorts,strip clubs and Callum to have slept with hundreds of women but not ok for hazel to to flirt with a guy.

the difference is though, we know Hazel flirted, but we think that Callum and Dexter are deluded virgins

As you have referred to me, the OP, as 'bashing' these two HMs - fair enough. But could you please point out, how I have 'bashed' them in this particular thread. Re-read my original post, it is facts released by the two HM's about their lifestyles before they entered the house. So, I'm only repeating information that they already disclosed to the GP, it was not a secret.

Maybe you should blame the Channel 5 owner. Dexter/Gina were probably picked six months ago for Big Brother and since the C5 owner also owesThe Star (and to a lesser extent The Express and several mags) I bet these stories were published in these newspapers. So either Ginxter have good agents getting them the media coverage or C5 wanted them known to the public to help with the BB ratings. TBH I doubt they found much material to write about the other housemates except Hazel/Dan

Great post well put.

How am I moaning, this is factual information. As you point out they have topped the polls. I'm just posting factual information about both which they released to the press, before they entered the house.

Lets be honest here...

If these two people are the best we can champion in this day and age..then in my opinion BB is on its last legs..

But I can accept that the new generation probably loves watching money obsessed, vain, materialistc heartless actors..

So I should perhaps learn its not for me anymore.

I very much doubt 100% of what has been printed in the press is FACTUAL... probably over half though. It doesn't seen to be making a dent in their popularity though does it? Just as saying Sam is dull as dishwasher probably will not effect those who will still vote for him..

I posted something very similar yesterday.

I'm with you on this one but I don't want to give up just yet.. Even though Callum is not my favourite I have defended him on here because he gets stick for having 'psycho killer' eyes.. ie he is getting grief solely based on looks. People call Sam boring because he is quiet but then in a room full of people I struggle to keep up with a conversation and I got full hearing I can't imagine how hard it is for him.. Dexter is lauded because he provides 'entertainment' but he openly admits to using hookers and gambling which for me means he doesn't deserve my vote to win but he won't get my vote to evict either..
It seems these days the youth are only interested In Looks and money and it will get worse before it gets better.

But both backstories are a crock - both completely made up PR stories to get these two characters on to the show.

That is what really offends me - not that we have two desperate wannabes in BB, that happens all the time - but that we are expected to believe this nonsense and vote accordingly.

If I believed that either backstory were true then I would judge their lifestyles somewhat negatively, although I can only conclude this through the briefest of information. I don't think much to promiscuity (not to that degree) and I take issue with people who don't earn an honest living when they could (Gina). I think the point the OP is making is that fans are painting both these HMs in this glorious, illustrious light whilst they are in the house, while sweeping under the carpet the apparent facts about them that hardly marry up to this wholesome high regard. It is irritating to see people who supposedly have questionable aspects to them held up like they are incarnations of Florence Nightingale.

No matter, however, because I believe these backstories are fake. This act of fabrication makes me view them more severely than any objection I would have to the way they claimed to live their lives. Without the story - and the invented image and props that must run alongside it - they would not have stood out to the selectors. Once they've got their place, and the viewer has been introduced to them through this made-up identity, they have had to stay true to form and live out this fantasy or be exposed as a fraud. So their backstory is brought into the house with them. It doesn't stop at the front door! Dexter has not managed to intergrate himself that much with his backstory, but I feel that Gina has created a great legend that has grown over the weeks, with practice, persistence and confidence.

I find it odd that people don't care. I predict a lot of people forming personas in the future in order to get onto the show. Regular everyday people (or regular 'wannabes') will seem bland in comparison - will people without a big front miss out? What kind of reality show will we be left with? More like an amateur dramatics competition, nothing like unabashed human behaviour. Next year maybe somebody will claim to be very deprived and impoverished, and, thus, invite people to join them in raiding some dustbins when they leave the house....It is no more unbelievable than brunch in Knightsbridge with Gina.

Interesting.
Is it better if the backstory is fake, or if it's real?
Is it a better gameplay to pretend to be someone (fairly convincingly, let's face it) you're not, or to be what you are?

and wouldn't it be stupendous if Gina and Dexter turned out to be the real 'ordinary people' set up since late last year by BB, and everyone else was the liar (not going to happen sadly).

For me, the invented backstory/persona tactic is a clear step-up from trying to manipulate/game-play whilst in the show. Anybody can use those kind of tactics in theory, at any opportunity, and others can try to game-play back, but a trick that begins before the game has started and reaches into the show, giving somebody's starting position possible cult-like status, is more like cheating to me. Other everyday people, who haven't invented themselves, are at a disadvantage from the off, and there's nothing they can do at that point. They cannot drop out and come back as much more inspiring characters, complete with wardrobes. Indeed, many people are incapable of not being themselves, down to their last breath.

I watch the show for a genuine look into people. People you meet can be liars, manipulators, oddbods, etc, so I expect to find such people on BB, but somebody claiming the kind of deception that these backstories smell of tend to do so for personal gain - con-artists. I take the show more lightheartedly than that, and the people on it, but the point is that I don't meet many con-artists in my life: at least I don't think I do. So I don't expect a real 'reality' show to be showing them as a typical slice of the general public. Real socialites/playboys do exist somewhere in society; I would be interested in analysing the real people.

I would love a double bluff of some kind to be lurking in the shadows, but I don't see it either. I don't think a 'normal, random' person could carry off the act like Gina has done. I think she is exceptional in her own way.

everything that is wrong wit the UK today fakers and charmers.