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Old 29-07-2013, 23:10
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http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/07/app...tent-rejected/

Looks like the Samsung are heading back to court to get their case annulled.
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Old 29-07-2013, 23:24
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Apple seemingly won with 'Bounce Back'.

In their software portfolio they have also patented battery management profiles.
They do seem to love patenting common sense things.
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Old 29-07-2013, 23:37
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If Apple invented 'pinch to zoom' then in my opinion, they should be rewarded for it.
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Old 29-07-2013, 23:47
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Looks like the Samsung are heading back to court to get their case annulled.
Nope, this possibility was covered by Judge Koh in a case management order back in April. Samsung cannot seek anything based on these events.

This 'final' invalidity ruling isn't actually final, and Apple has 2 months to present evidence and reasoning to persuade the USPTO before a further 'final' (but still appealable) ruling is made.

This patent is now at the stage that the 'overscroll bounce' one referenced by alanwaric above was at when Apple managed a partially successful defence of it and, crucially, the part of it that Samsung was found to infringe was ruled to be valid.
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Old 30-07-2013, 00:28
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If Apple invented 'pinch to zoom' then in my opinion, they should be rewarded for it.
I think the argument is more regarding whether you can 'invent' a gesture.
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Old 30-07-2013, 00:53
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If Apple invented 'pinch to zoom' then in my opinion, they should be rewarded for it.
thats a big IF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSXkJBKT1s&t=2m19s
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Old 30-07-2013, 01:31
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I am glad this has been thrown out, though not final based on previous precendent it is rare for these decisions to be overturned. I like both Android and iOS, but this patent battling over a gesture like this is foolish. Given the technology relating to it has been existence for well over 14 years, even if only in concept form.

I just wish these patent wars would end and everyone starts innovating again.
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Old 30-07-2013, 17:55
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It does make you wonder how apple the American huge, one time biggest company in the world got these almost nonsensical patents through the American patent office staffed by low paid civil servants ....
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:20
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It does make you wonder how apple the American huge, one time biggest company in the world got these almost nonsensical patents through the American patent office staffed by low paid civil servants ....
Looks like they took a page out of Google's book

http://www.businessinsider.com/googl...es-2011-3?op=1
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:25
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If Apple invented 'pinch to zoom' then in my opinion, they should be rewarded for it.
They didn't invent it.

"An advance occurred in 1991, when Pierre Wellner published a paper on his multi-touch "Digital Desk", which supported multi-finger and pinching motions"
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Old 30-07-2013, 20:27
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Didn't British Rail invent bounce back?
And the local buses still have it
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:00
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Don't see what the issue is there google patenting their own logo in various incarnations, nor can I see how this would in any way stifle innovation or competition. I fact i would go as far as to say a total non story not even worth a web page.

I'm surprised you think there is a parallel to be drawn here between these two bu hey ho.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:06
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Don't see what the issue is there google patenting their own logo in various incarnations, nor can I see how this would in any way stifle innovation or competition. I fact i would go as far as to say a total non story not even worth a web page.

I'm surprised you think there is a parallel to be drawn here between these two bu hey ho.
They are not patenting their own logo.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:08
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Really what are they doing then
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:16
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Really what are they doing then
"Systems and methods for enticing users to access a web site"

Patent US 09/843,923

You can read it yourself and see how you interpret it.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:19
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I just did but you told me I was wrong so I am asking you why I am wrong?
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:23
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Don't see what the issue is there google patenting their own logo in various incarnations, nor can I see how this would in any way stifle innovation or competition. I fact i would go as far as to say a total non story not even worth a web page.

I'm surprised you think there is a parallel to be drawn here between these two bu hey ho.
If you had cared to read the article you would see they are not patenting their logo, but the concept of changing a logo.
They also patented the concept of changing the name of their home page periodically to give the impression of a live news feed.
You describe it as a total non-story but we all know had the name Google been replaced by Apple you would have been on it like a ton of bricks, but hey ho.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:29
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Nope not at all, are you saying that patent with attached descriptive drawings showing the google logo being changed (drawings being very important in patent apps) will or can in any way be used to prevent other companies changing their logo to entice people onto a webpage etc, really?

If you think that you clearly are more desperate to find fault than I thought, total non story. I say again to liken this to pinch to zoom is a joke and shows the level of protection people feel when their favourite company is criticised.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:34
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Nope not at all, are you saying that patent with attached descriptive drawings showing the google logo being changed (drawings being very important in patent apps) will or can in any way be used to prevent other companies changing their logo to entice people onto a webpage etc, really?

If you think that you clearly are more desperate to find fault than I thought, total non story. I say again to liken this to pinch to zoom is a joke and shows the level of protection people feel when their favourite company is criticised.
Yes, really.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:41
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Well let me know when the first court case comes yeah.

Good heavens.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:43
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If google doodles are so mainstream and shouldn't be patented then where else is something similar used that google could be abusing the patent system?

You know a bit more common than "pinch to zoom".
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:48
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If google doodles are so mainstream and shouldn't be patented then where else is something similar used that google could be abusing the patent system?

You know a bit more common than "pinch to zoom".
They haven't patented google doodles. It is not even mentioned in the patent.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:52
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Common you say? Who else was using pinch to zoom in January 2007?
No they have patented any changes to any company logo on a website .. my god they will be raking it in now look out world Google are coming.

I bet apple are pig sick they never thought of this money spinner.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:54
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They haven't patented google doodles. It is not even mentioned in the patent.
It must be a bad article then. The headline is
"Google Gets An Absurd Patent For Its "Google Doodles"", and the article is full of google doodles.
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Old 30-07-2013, 21:55
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You know a bit more common than "pinch to zoom".
Common you say? Who else was using pinch to zoom in January 2007?
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