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Old 01-08-2013, 23:12
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She's released two albums in the last few years, so hardly.

Geri has only sold around 80 million records if you include Spice Girls singles and albums, which then make up the vast majority of that total so you're stretching the truth a bit there.
Stretching the truth?

She has featured on 11 number one singles - 7 with the Spice Girls - most of which she had the greatest writing input, and 4 (consecutive) as a solo artist..

That's like saying Paul McCartney is only to be judged on his post-Beatles and solo sales.

Ridiculous.

Geri Halliwell has sold in excess of 87 Million records. Fact.
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Old 01-08-2013, 23:18
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You folks should actually watch the Geri Medley of her solo songs from 1999-2005 - as posted in the first post - and watch from start to finish.

That is a POP STAR.

It's all too easy to dismiss Geri but she
"drew from the preceding Queens before her and as a result now owns that 90's pop era".
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Old 01-08-2013, 23:43
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we are all fabulous queens
this!! thank you...
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Old 02-08-2013, 00:59
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This made me laugh more than it should have.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:00
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The title of this thread is a little misleading. It states the "Queen Of British Pop" and maybe should read "British Queen Of British Pop", otherwise Kylie would win hands down, especially as she's not only spent her entire 26 years in the music industry here, but has also lived and paid taxes here and broken (and still holds) every record and award going.
I'm genuinely not being a Kylie fan here, just asking a question as to the validity and literal meaning of the Topic name. If the question is regarding a British girl as every poster is assuming then fine, however if not, I'll make my argument... Thanks in advance to the OP.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:23
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The title of this thread is a little misleading. It states the "Queen Of British Pop" and maybe should read "British Queen Of British Pop", otherwise Kylie would win hands down, especially as she's not only spent her entire 26 years in the music industry here, but has also lived and paid taxes here and broken (and still holds) every record and award going.
I'm genuinely not being a Kylie fan here, just asking a question as to the validity and literal meaning of the Topic name. If the question is regarding a British girl as every poster is assuming then fine, however if not, I'll make my argument... Thanks in advance to the OP.
I somewhat agree, HOWEVER, Geri did crack every major music market in the world - including America - something that Kylie has never done, Geri has sold more records (87 Million) and has more number one songs on the UK chart. Plus the four consecutive number one singles as a solo act - a record yet to be broken....

But I do take what you're saying. Whilst Geri and the Spice Girls' impact was greater, it was for a short period of time whereas Kylie has had far more longevity - specifically in the UK.

Point taken.
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Old 02-08-2013, 14:40
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I somewhat agree, HOWEVER, Geri did crack every major music market in the world - including America - something that Kylie has never done, Geri has sold more records (87 Million) and has more number one songs on the UK chart. Plus the four consecutive number one singles as a solo act - a record yet to be broken....

But I do take what you're saying. Whilst Geri and the Spice Girls' impact was greater, it was for a short period of time whereas Kylie has had far more longevity - specifically in the UK.

Point taken.
Thank you for your answer. I do agree with some of your points. However, Kylie's a solo artist that's had 7 #1's and the highest amount of #2's (11)... A lot of the Spice Girl's record sales are in the USA (certainly not knocking that btw), so if they were discounted things would be the other way around as Kylie's never bothered trying to "crack" the US market, mostly down to the fact that her old manager couldn't be bothered.
Kylie has however got #1 albums in each of the last 4 decades, and only Madonna has recently managed to do that 2 years later. She's also the only woman who's received the highest award that the music industry in this country can give, the "Music Industry Trust Award", and is the only woman to have ever received it (plus an OBE). For space's sake I won't go into a page-load of other awards otherwise we'd both be trying to outdo each other on awards given, records achieved etc.
However, the respect that she has in the industry as Pop Royalty, as well as from other artists is unparalleled due in no small part to the way that she re-invents herself every few years... Kylie's longevity, and most importantly her longevity at the top from the very beginning in 1987 is the key here.
I love Geri, I always have, but for me she comes second to Kylie by a fair distance on the results of the last paragraph alone. We all have different opinions and that's cool. Just wanted to add my "twopenneth" for what it's worth. Have a good one...
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Old 02-08-2013, 15:34
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The title of this thread is a little misleading. It states the "Queen Of British Pop" and maybe should read "British Queen Of British Pop", otherwise Kylie would win hands down, especially as she's not only spent her entire 26 years in the music industry here, but has also lived and paid taxes here and broken (and still holds) every record and award going.
I'm genuinely not being a Kylie fan here, just asking a question as to the validity and literal meaning of the Topic name. If the question is regarding a British girl as every poster is assuming then fine, however if not, I'll make my argument... Thanks in advance to the OP.
Madonna is the right answer then

And if it has to be British girl, then Annie Lennox, Kate Bush or Adele right now.
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Old 02-08-2013, 21:27
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Australia's Got Geri
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Old 02-08-2013, 21:36
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Great thread. I'm a huge Geri fan. People should check their facts before judging Geri!!
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Old 02-08-2013, 21:54
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Madonna is the right answer then

And if it has to be British girl, then Annie Lennox, Kate Bush or Adele right now.
in terms of british female artists, that is about right in terms of overall impact and geri is would be placed somewhere towards the back of the queue as a solo singer. geri had a brief spell of popularity, but the spice girls music hardly gets much exposure these days and her solo work even less so. the artists you mention outperformed her in every way imaginable apart from her having a string of #1 singles here in the uk.

as for her being back, back how exactly? the last i heard, she was struggling to find a recording deal. i know she's landed a job on "australia's got talent" after mel b had to pull out, but is that really thread worthy?
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Old 02-08-2013, 23:05
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Madonna is the right answer then

And if it has to be British girl, then Annie Lennox, Kate Bush or Adele right now.
I agree wholeheartedly if the doors are flung open worldwide, but I was just putting forward the point that at least Kylie lives and pays taxes here and is still going strong after 26 years and has dual citizenship. If that's not taken into account, then yes, of course.
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Old 03-08-2013, 00:50
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If we are using the queen title surely the current queen has to be Adele. Her album sales are gargantuan. I think she took over from Amy who took over from Dido.

There isn't just one queen - there are many with different reigns!
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Old 03-08-2013, 01:27
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:24
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in terms of british female artists, that is about right in terms of overall impact and geri is would be placed somewhere towards the back of the queue as a solo singer. geri had a brief spell of popularity, but the spice girls music hardly gets much exposure these days and her solo work even less so. the artists you mention outperformed her in every way imaginable apart from her having a string of #1 singles here in the uk.

as for her being back, back how exactly? the last i heard, she was struggling to find a recording deal. i know she's landed a job on "australia's got talent" after mel b had to pull out, but is that really thread worthy?
Geri achieved global iconic status as part of The Spice Girls and to a much lesser degree as a solo artist - After Look At Me, and her debut album her American success really died down.
I know this thread is slightly provocative but Geri's achievements as a a global pop culture icon in the 90's and her rarely mentioned run of pretty amazing chart success as a solo artist is extrememy overlooked.

As for her coming back.... watch this space, she has been working hard and has some amazing new material that will keep the old fans happy with what she has always done best - but also some tracks that are going to be a bit of a surprise....
I suggested she released one under an alias in the UK as one track in particular has hit written all over it!

Apologies for the early? post - Not long arrived in, not so sunny, Aus and am still jet lagged this afternoon
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Old 03-08-2013, 09:07
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Desire is a criminally underrated pop song.
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Old 03-08-2013, 15:18
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Geri achieved global iconic status as part of The Spice Girls and to a much lesser degree as a solo artist - After Look At Me, and her debut album her American success really died down.
I know this thread is slightly provocative but Geri's achievements as a a global pop culture icon in the 90's and her rarely mentioned run of pretty amazing chart success as a solo artist is extrememy overlooked.

As for her coming back.... watch this space, she has been working hard and has some amazing new material that will keep the old fans happy with what she has always done best - but also some tracks that are going to be a bit of a surprise....
I suggested she released one under an alias in the UK as one track in particular has hit written all over it!

Apologies for the early? post - Not long arrived in, not so sunny, Aus and am still jet lagged this afternoon
I absolutely agree with this & this is just what I've been saying about Geri. Shes a song-writer does the heavy lifting in her career a perfectionist any fan of Geri's should know this. So people are saying album news etc I'm glad Geri's taken some time & shes not one of those artists to rely on a team cough Rihanna! I'm really looking forward to new Geri music your post has made my day i thank you
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Old 03-08-2013, 15:48
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I know this thread is slightly provocative but Geri's achievements as a a global pop culture icon in the 90's and her rarely mentioned run of pretty amazing chart success as a solo artist is extrememy overlooked.
well she's not overlooked on these forums at least. when you're unavailable comment, i can name at least name one other geri halliwell cheerleader that overexaggerates her former popularity and overplays her actual impact. i know the spice girls were a phenomenon, but they succeeded as a package, rather than geri being the main attraction. her solo career did well initially and especially so in the uk, but it wasn't anywhere near the success of her former girl group and her impact as a solo artist was little.
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:53
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well she's not overlooked on these forums at least. when you're unavailable comment, i can name at least name one other geri halliwell cheerleader that overexaggerates her former popularity and overplays her actual impact. i know the spice girls were a phenomenon, but they succeeded as a package, rather than geri being the main attraction. her solo career did well initially and especially so in the uk, but it wasn't anywhere near the success of her former girl group and her impact as a solo artist was little.
BIB 1

BIB 2: She scored four consecutive number one singles and sold over 12 million records worldwide......
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Old 04-08-2013, 10:05
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Geri achieved global iconic status as part of The Spice Girls and to a much lesser degree as a solo artist - After Look At Me, and her debut album her American success really died down.
I know this thread is slightly provocative but Geri's achievements as a a global pop culture icon in the 90's and her rarely mentioned run of pretty amazing chart success as a solo artist is extrememy overlooked.

As for her coming back.... watch this space, she has been working hard and has some amazing new material that will keep the old fans happy with what she has always done best - but also some tracks that are going to be a bit of a surprise....
I suggested she released one under an alias in the UK as one track in particular has hit written all over it!

Apologies for the early? post - Not long arrived in, not so sunny, Aus and am still jet lagged this afternoon
You suggested?? you know her or something..

Thing is Geri's voice is kinda distinctive so how would she get away passing it off as someone else?
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Old 04-08-2013, 14:27
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Thank you for your answer. I do agree with some of your points. However, Kylie's a solo artist that's had 7 #1's and the highest amount of #2's (11)... A lot of the Spice Girl's record sales are in the USA (certainly not knocking that btw), so if they were discounted things would be the other way around as Kylie's never bothered trying to "crack" the US market, mostly down to the fact that her old manager couldn't be bothered.
Kylie has however got #1 albums in each of the last 4 decades, and only Madonna has recently managed to do that 2 years later. She's also the only woman who's received the highest award that the music industry in this country can give, the "Music Industry Trust Award", and is the only woman to have ever received it (plus an OBE). For space's sake I won't go into a page-load of other awards otherwise we'd both be trying to outdo each other on awards given, records achieved etc.
However, the respect that she has in the industry as Pop Royalty, as well as from other artists is unparalleled due in no small part to the way that she re-invents herself every few years... Kylie's longevity, and most importantly her longevity at the top from the very beginning in 1987 is the key here.
I love Geri, I always have, but for me she comes second to Kylie by a fair distance on the results of the last paragraph alone. We all have different opinions and that's cool. Just wanted to add my "twopenneth" for what it's worth. Have a good one...
I agree. For some reason many people even form the UK don't seem to realise that Kylie is regarded as a pop legend over here. Even though Madonna has sold more records in the UK than Kylie, I would still actually put them on the same level due to how popular Kylie has been across four decades, just like Madonna and arguably Kylie has been way more popular than Madonna in the UK in the 2010s.

I am not a Kylie fan BTW I just think it's ridiculous how underrated she is by some people.
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Old 04-08-2013, 14:39
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BIB 1

BIB 2: She scored four consecutive number one singles and sold over 12 million records worldwide......
the spice girls were a package and geri was an ingredient in the mix. i don't need yet another reminder about that documentary, i have already seen it, but nevertheless, the spice girls succeeded as a collective package in my opinion.

you are clearly confusing sales and statistics with impact. she may have been commercially successful for a limited period mainly in the uk, but her solo music had no lasting impact. geri will ultimately be remembered as a spice girl above anything else.
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Old 04-08-2013, 14:57
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the spice girls were a package and geri was an ingredient in the mix. i don't need yet another reminder about that documentary, i have already seen it, but nevertheless, the spice girls succeeded as a collective package in my opinion.

you are clearly confusing sales and statistics with impact. she may have been commercially successful for a limited period mainly in the uk, but her solo music had no lasting impact. geri will ultimately be remembered as a spice girl above anything else.
Of course the Spice Girls were a collective package - Along with the brilliant pop songs, that's what made them such a phenomenon, every little girl wanted to be one of them or could identify with one of them and every male had one that they thought was hottest.
However, without Geri, their impact would not have been the same. No two ways about it.
She was the driving force as the group clawed their way from nothing to signing with Virgin.
She had the largest input with regards to writing and and video concepts.
Her iconic Union Jack Dress is now synonymous with 1990's pop culture.
Her outrageous antics - pinching the royal bottom, falling out of her dress at The Brits, The Nelson Mandela incident etc
She was the one who hijacked 'Girl Power' which has gone on to enter the global lexicon and essentially defined the decade.

None of the girls were indispensable but there is no doubt that without Geri the Spice Girls would not have been the phenomenon they were.

Please, don't tell me that I am confused, dear. To say that her solo career had no impact is just bizarre. She was a huge name in British pop culture between 1998-2004/5.
Though I'm very well aware that Geri's solo songs rarely had radio support....for a number of reasons.The music industry can be very political...
But the fact of the matter is, even without radio support in this country, she sold 12 million freaking records!


I was at a club last month in London and they played a remix of Mi Chico Latino and I was astounded at the reaction.

Look At Me, Mi Chico Latino, It's Raining Men... you go to any retro or gay club and the place erupts when one of Geri's songs come on - people still know all the words. It's sheer camp pop fun!

Camp pop fun that sold extremely well.
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Old 04-08-2013, 19:46
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Look At Me, Mi Chico Latino, It's Raining Men... you go to any retro or gay club and the place erupts when one of Geri's songs come on - people still know all the words. It's sheer camp pop fun!
i can't even begin to answer your lengthy post in its entirety. there maybe some truth amongst all that gushing praise, but i do think that documentary over exaggerated her input like you have done on many occasions.

however, i will at least address this, because ironically this typifies the true extent of her overall impact as a solo artist. her music is still popular in niche nightclubs, clubs which are known for playing cheesy music that isn't often heard in the mainstream at large.
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Old 04-08-2013, 22:53
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i can't even begin to answer your lengthy post in its entirety. there maybe some truth amongst all that gushing praise, but i do think that documentary over exaggerated her input like you have done on many occasions.

however, i will at least address this, because ironically this typifies the true extent of her overall impact as a solo artist. her music is still popular in niche nightclubs, clubs which are known for playing cheesy music that isn't often heard in the mainstream at large.
Well how often do you hear Kylie Minogue squawking out 'I Should Be So Lucky' on mainstream radio?

You 'think' that the documentary and I over exaggerate her input.....

Do some research if you are confused

Rolling Stone and Times journalist David Sinclair's book "Wannabe: How The Spice Girls Reinvented Pop Fame" would be a good first read.
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