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Old 01-08-2013, 16:39
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Seeing as o2 have announced there 4G for the 29th August and Vodafone possibly being around the 21st September. Three is the only one left to make any sort of announcement.

I decided to stop into two of the Three shops in my area today and asked them for any updates on the 4G roll out.

The gentleman in Swansea told me he had not been told anything. However after speaking to someone who seemed to be in the know in Neath he stated that Three would start rolling 4G out sometime in September, although it was originally November time he said that the time table had been moved forward due to the recent announcements made by o2/Vodafone and that the primary focus for 4G would be on the 800mhz band not the 1800mhz.

Now I have no idea if this is the truth because I can't seem to get a second opinion from Three's Twitter feed. All they keep doing is saying is "4G will start rolling out later this year. If you've got a 4G ready device there will be no extra cost <Dan" to every customer asking. Copy and Paste function.

UPDATE: After further discussion on Twitter I finally got this response "I'm afraid I don't know the exact time but it will be within quarter four this year <Dan"

Perhaps other people could check in with there stores and see what information they provide and see if there are any consistencies in the information provided?
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Old 01-08-2013, 16:51
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Rubbish about 800. It will be 1800.

800 would require new antennas in addition to the ones they already have as part of MBNL. Even EE is only just starting to look at the 800 roll out (usually means half a year or more till it actually happens.)

Three will not launch near to Vodafone's date.
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Old 01-08-2013, 16:52
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I really can't see why there primary focus would be 800MHz as they only have 2x5MHz of it. When in September they will have 2x10MHz of 1800MHz. The speeds on 800MHz will certainly be much lower actually not much higher than DC-HSDPA. Plus there current masts aren't set up for 800MHz they are all set up for 1800MHz.

Three are much concerned at moment about bringing DC-HSDPA to there entire network or as much as they can. They aren't considering LTE to be important or more of a game changer and to degree they are right initially it is going to mainly increased coverage.
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Old 01-08-2013, 16:56
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I've been told November. (and not by anyone in a Three store). And it's going to be 1800 first

I've also been told Three are going to launch new roaming plans and they'll be launching a app similar to O2's TU GO which allows you to make/receive calls/texts over wi-fi. This is going to happen around September ish.

Also there is some new BS marketing campaign happening soon apparently.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...1&postcount=29
More interesting data people at three have told me.

Three added over 200,000+ customers between Jan 1st and March 31st (Q1) this year taking their current customer base to over 9.2m.

Three have over 13,500 masts as of the end of Q1 and will be aiming for a further 5,000 by 2015.

Three have 98% HSPA+ coverage and 85% DC-HSPA+ coverage

4G will be free for all customers and looks like it'll be November now. It will be before the end of the year at least. VoLTE is phase 3.... whatever that means?

Three will be launching a voice over Wi-Fi app in the future. Similar to O2's TU GO and Oranges wi-fi app.

To combat increased data usage Three will be implementing traffic sense in throttling P2P during peak times (3pm-12pm) and traffic managing tethering on heavy users during peak times (3pm-12pm). Unlimited data and tethering with no fair use policy will remain on the One Plan though. Unlimited data with no tethering will remain on the "ultimate" tariffs.
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:02
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I've been told November. (and not by anyone in a Three store). And it's going to be 1800 first

I've also been told Three are going to launch new roaming plans and they'll be launching a app similar to O2's TU GO which allows you to make/receive calls/texts over wi-fi. This is going to happen around September ish.

Also there is some new BS marketing campaign happening soon apparently.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...1&postcount=29
Nice to hear about voice over wifi. Figured it was going be november though. Nice to see that they have managed to upgraded vast majority of there masts now though.
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:05
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Not bad about Voice of Wifi. Would be nice. Well whatever the date I hope they release more information than just Q4 soon. Just so we have an idea of when things will start. Regarding which band they use. Either 800mhz or 1800mhz will do (1800 hopefully as it will provide more speed). As 2100mhz just is not cutting it where I live. It's all outdoor. Have to be by a window just to get 3G signal.
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:06
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Nice to hear about voice over wifi. Figured it was going be november though. Nice to see that they have managed to upgraded vast majority of there masts now though.
Take what i've posted with a grain of salt though. It could all change. Might have already have changed. But that's what i've been told by people "in the know".
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:23
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I've been told November. (and not by anyone in a Three store). And it's going to be 1800 first

I've also been told Three are going to launch new roaming plans and they'll be launching a app similar to O2's TU GO which allows you to make/receive calls/texts over wi-fi. This is going to happen around September ish.

Also there is some new BS marketing campaign happening soon apparently.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...1&postcount=29
Any info on this new roaming plan you mentioned
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:30
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Any info on this new roaming plan you mentioned
Remember "3 like home"

that. but better (apparently it's in a trial stage)

Don't ask me about pricing or add on/tariff details. I have no idea.
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Old 01-08-2013, 17:31
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Remember "3 like home"

that. but better (apparently it's in a trial stage)
So a service thats added onto a plan and not a whole new plan as such?

Would love to have EU roaming including data on The One Plan!
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Old 01-08-2013, 19:25
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Even though unlimited data is great, I think £5 a day at the moment for data, but no text messages or minutes is too expensive. I'm going abroad in September for 6 days and paying £30 is not exactly what I wish to do. Looking forward to the new offering.
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Old 01-08-2013, 19:59
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Oh yeh, and another thing. When 4G launches Three are going to be changing up their mobile broadband range and launching new Dongles and Mi-Fi's from the ZTE MF8/9xxx range.

At the moment they just do Huawei 3G dongles.

So to sum up

More interesting data people at three have told me.

Three added over 200,000+ customers since Jan 1st this year taking their current customer base to over 9.2m.

Three have over 13,500 masts as of the end of Q1 and will be aiming for a further 5,000 by 2015.

Three have 98% HSPA+ coverage and 85% DC-HSPA+ coverage

4G will be free for all customers and looks like it'll be November now. It will be before the end of the year at least. VoLTE is phase 3.... whatever that means?

Three will be launching a voice over Wi-Fi app in the future. Similar to O2's TU GO and Oranges wi-fi app.

Three are going to be changing up their mobile broadband range and launching new Dongles and Mi-Fi's from the ZTE MF8/9xxx range. Could launch in September.

Three will launch new roaming plans soon. Similar to Three like home. Could be September.

To combat increased data usage Three will be implementing traffic sense in throttling P2P during peak times (3pm-12pm) and traffic managing tethering on heavy users during peak times (3pm-12pm). Unlimited data and tethering with no fair use policy will remain on the One Plan though. Unlimited data with no tethering will remain on the "ultimate" tariffs.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:31
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Does that actually mean those new roaming plans will be restricted to countries where Three have got their own networks? Or is that EU-wide?
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:36
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Does that actually mean those new roaming plans will be restricted to countries where Three have got their own networks? Or is that EU-wide?
I don't know. It's still in trial stages apparently but will be announced soon.

If i know any more i'll post about it.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:04
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However after speaking to someone who seemed to be in the know in Neath he stated that Three would start rolling 4G out sometime in September, although it was originally November time he said that the time table had been moved forward due to the recent announcements made by o2/Vodafone and that the primary focus for 4G would be on the 800mhz band not the 1800mhz.
I think this person 'in the know' is an excellent source of info. Basically if you take the exact opposite of what they say, you'll then have the correct answer!
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:09
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If the TU GO like app is happening, then that has the possibility of making Three even more appealing to a lot of people and possibly appease customers who (for whatever reason) have been told they can't have a home signal box. Really hope it is happening
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:22
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Pretty much all of the networks will have the app this year.

Vodafone i've not heard much from about it lately.. but they freely sell Femtos so no big rush but they are doing app development like Three/EE and one of the MVNO's!
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:53
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I think this person 'in the know' is an excellent source of info. Basically if you take the exact opposite of what they say, you'll then have the correct answer!
I suppose. I wasn't to sure myself. Seemed to good to be true. But thought I would put the question out there to see what experiences other people have had.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:20
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Does that actually mean those new roaming plans will be restricted to countries where Three have got their own networks? Or is that EU-wide?
They're definitely reintroducing the old-style roaming plans in countries where Three have a presence, from what I've been told.
No idea of there'll be any update to wider roaming though.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:57
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They're definitely reintroducing the old-style roaming plans in countries where Three have a presence, from what I've been told.
No idea of there'll be any update to wider roaming though.
This is what i heard too.. but hey i'm pretty sure i've be wrong before.
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Old 02-08-2013, 13:48
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Another issue for Three is that the spectrum still appears to be with EE even though it's been cleared. Legally EE don't have to hand it over until the end of September. I guess they could have made some other arrangement for say testing but why would EE want to help Three? Very difficult to test anything if you don't have any spectrum to use so assuming this can't start until October you've got to be looking at deep into Q4 before they could launch anything unless we are only talking about a handful of sites.
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Old 02-08-2013, 14:13
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I really can't see why there primary focus would be 800MHz as they only have 2x5MHz of it. When in September they will have 2x10MHz of 1800MHz. The speeds on 800MHz will certainly be much lower actually not much higher than DC-HSDPA. Plus there current masts aren't set up for 800MHz they are all set up for 1800MHz.

Three are much concerned at moment about bringing DC-HSDPA to there entire network or as much as they can. They aren't considering LTE to be important or more of a game changer and to degree they are right initially it is going to mainly increased coverage.
It's pretty obvious why Three would focus on 800MHz: coverage. Lower frequencies have far better propagation characteristics than higher frequency ones. That's both geographical coverage improving but also (somewhat more importantly) building penetration will improve. That will mean being able to get some data where you can't right now and eventually voice too when they roll out VoLTE.

You're right that 800 won't bring the faster speeds, 1800 will be used in congested areas to improve performance (hopefully there are corresponding improvements to backhaul capacity).
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Old 02-08-2013, 18:38
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I've just learnt that Three have pushed their internal targets back a year.

They originally were aiming for 10m customers by the end of 2013. Now they're aiming for that number by the end of 2014.... hmmm...
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Old 02-08-2013, 20:00
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I've just learnt that Three have pushed their internal targets back a year.

They originally were aiming for 10m customers by the end of 2013. Now they're aiming for that number by the end of 2014.... hmmm...
Interesting I can see them making at latest by june next year.
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Old 02-08-2013, 21:59
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New article from FT-
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c02fc2bc-f...#axzz2aqbYlsMw

However, Three said it would simply add the 4G services for customers without changing contracts or charging extra, which is likely to set a benchmark for pricing in the UK for next-generation services that other operators hope will yield a premium.

Richard Woodward, Three’s chief financial officer, said all customers on a smartphone tariff with an enabled phone will be given 4G automatically by the end of the year.

Data usage went up more than 50 per cent in a year, with customers using 1.5gb of data on average in the second quarter, underlining the need for robust and high-speed mobile networks.
Guardian -

He said 3 was "on track" to launch its answer to EE's superfast mobile internet service before Christmas, with the new 4G network scheduled to go live in the fourth quarter of the year. Three has 900,000 customers who already own a smartphone that will be compatible with its 4G network, and 60% of devices it sells each week are able to run at the faster speeds. All of its customers will receive 4G without having to pay a premium or change their contract.
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