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BT Sports Channel (Part 2)
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d'@ve
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“Shares in BSkyB have dived 10% after it lost the rights to broadcast live Champions League and Europa League football matches to rival BT Sport.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24898597”

BSkyB is only back to its February 2013 price though, so not the end of Sky World - though FTSE 100 is 7% up on Feb 2013 and Sky is now underperforming the market.

However, BT Group is still 37% higher than its Feb 2013 price, which is telling, and will have given them a big confidence boost.
ep1987
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“Interesting story. Market cap is how much the City values a company ie number of shares x price per share.

1/4/09 BSkyB £7.59bn, BT £6.18bn BSkyB 22% larger

1/4/10 BSkyB £10.74bn, BT £9.68n BSkyB 11% larger

1/4/11 BSkyB £14.56bn, BT £14.61bn Even size

1/4/12 BSkyB £11.55bn, BT £17.62bn BT 53% larger

1/4/13 BSkyB £14.24bn, BT £21.86bn BT £54% larger

1/8/13 BSkyB £13.26bn, BT £27.01bn. BT over double the value of BSkyB (104% larger)

11/11/13 BSkyB £14.86bn, BT £29.44bn BT slightly less than double the value of BT (98% larger)”

What are the reasons for BT's rapid growth?

Commercial and broadband?
bottleofbest
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by ep1987:
“What are the reasons for BT's rapid growth?

Commercial and broadband?”

They bought Plus net, plus they have been installing fibre round the country for a few years, which has meant more business for them.
I don't know other reasons but BT PLC is worldwide company. I have no idea what else they have been doing across the world.

They have also won contracts with the likes of Siemens etc for different parts of their business.
d'@ve
11-11-2013
Being seen as a realistic rival to Sky will have been a part of it too.

But we shouldn't write off Sky. 21st Century Fox now they are separate from News Corp will be back at some point in the future, to try again to buy BSkyB fully, and they have a much bigger market cap. than even the new BT.
1andrew1
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“Being seen as a realistic rival to Sky will have been a part of it too.

But we shouldn't write off Sky. 21st Century Fox now they are separate from News Corp will be back at some point in the future, to try again to buy BSkyB fully, and they have a much bigger market cap. than even the new BT.”

21st Century Fox are valued at £48bn.(US$77bn) As a global company, they will obviously invest their money where they get the best return. BSkyB could be a profitable company to own in the future for them, it will just be smaller than if BT hadn't entered the sports market so aggressively.
lordloz
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“Bought the Humax retail box at launch and it's been great. Shame there are no other non-ISP services apart from Now TV and that on the EPG and catch-up programmes can't be distinguished easily from live programmes. Otherwise I'm not complaining.

Not an expert on Moto GP - BT says rather vaguely today "BT Sport will be announcing its MotoGP presentation and commentary team in the future."
http://sport.bt.com/moresporthub/mot...11363847629122”

It's what I posted further back up, the BT website not having a dedicated tab for moto GP but having it shoved into "other sports" hoping it may change as season nears

but they have promised practice qualifying and a weekly show as well...hope it's not hot air and it must be commentators on location not from a glossy studio.....

If we could have a mix of BBC and eurosport presenters and commentators it could really fly.....fingers crossed they don't screw it up.....they all get along well and tweet together etc. So wouldn't be a problem joining up.

you'd have thought the time to really hit the ground would be with the closing round and the coverage of Marquez but maybe employment contracts are an issue

Really hope it will be as promised...and please please let's still have Azi.... *swoons*
mlt11
11-11-2013
Originally Posted by ep1987:
“What are the reasons for BT's rapid growth?

Commercial and broadband?”

I think a lot of it is to do with the turnaround at BT Global Services, together with very large efficiency savings across the whole business.

The market cap trebled from April 2009 to April 2012, ie before the PL rights were acquired.

It's a little bit like ITV's huge share price rise over the last 4 years - coming from a very low base.

ITV's revenues haven't grown much at all - they've done it primarily through cost cutting (Studios is a factor but a much smaller one).
derek500
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Just coming back to this question, EE/Orange have already announced that they had 10,000 net adds in the quarter - per link below.

So the table can now be updated as follows:

BT - up 156,000
Sky - up 111,000
EE/Orange - up 10,000
Rest of market - down 109,000
Total market - up 168,000

As you said, TalkTalk's numbers are out on 12th November. I'm reluctant to guess them but in the last 3 quarters they have had positive net adds of 10,000, 10,000 and 8,000 and they have previously said they have not been affected by BT Sport.

So if we had to guess I think TalkTalk is likely to be broadly flat or slightly up - if they are down at all I don't think they will be down a lot.”

Good call. 5,000 net BB additions. Continued strong growth for their YouView, another 167,000 added.

Their YouView must be leaps and bounds ahead of BT's now with 557,000 homes.

http://www.talktalkgroup.com/press/p...2-11-2013.aspx
derek500
12-11-2013
From the TalkTalk results.

Quote:
“Premium sports packages continue to prove relatively less popular, with less than 2% of TV customers purchasing in Q2, reflecting our current and target customer segment characteristics.”

This a fundamental problem for BT.

TalkTalk have been very successful with YouView, but they're pitching it at the lower rent Freeview viewers.

BT however, are using the same product to entice high rent Sky subscribers to switch.

This will be a problem if YouView is perceived as a downmarket 'Freeview' product.
1andrew1
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Good call. 5,000 net BB additions. Continued strong growth for their YouView, another 167,000 added.

Their YouView must be leaps and bounds ahead of BT's now with 557,000 homes.

http://www.talktalkgroup.com/press/p...2-11-2013.aspx”

BT's TV subscribers for YouView and BT Vision total 900k. The interesting point will be the next quarter (March 2014) when TalkTalk TV base should reach 1m according to its estimates. This projection may be based on it starting to give YouView non-PVR receivers to all broadband customers as its current addition rate would fall well short of 1m TV customers.
derek500
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“BT's TV subscribers for YouView and BT Vision total 900k.”

Didn't BT have about 700,000 TV customers when their YouView launched?

Unless they've done a massive swap over, the majority will still be with the old BT Vision boxes.
1andrew1
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Didn't BT have about 700,000 TV customers when their YouView launched?

Unless they've done a massive swap over, the majority will still be with the old BT Vision boxes.”

Agreed, the overwhelming majority will be BT Vision boxes. Trouble for BT in attracting sports fans to its YouView platform is that Sky Sports is not available on it.
d'@ve
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“Agreed, the overwhelming majority will be BT Vision boxes. Trouble for BT in attracting sports fans to its YouView platform is that Sky Sports is not available on it.”

That may be one reason why BT think they need to grab as much of the premium sports content as possible for themselves... there would come a point where two problems are solved in one!

If so, Sky may live to regret the day they decided to be so aggressive and un-co-operative towards the infant BT Sport.
wal28
12-11-2013
Found this on the BT sport website live football link this afternoon:

FRANCE LIGUE 1

Sunday November 24: Lille v Toulouse - 1pm, Digital Exclusive

What does this mean? Or is it a typo and will be corrected?

Add: If it's going to be anywhere it will be BT Sport 1 as BT Sport 2 is showing Livorno-Juventus and ESPN (aka BT Sport 3 ) will be showing Hamburg-Hannover

I haven't seen it on any of the other games they list which goes through the remainder of November and December.
gs1
12-11-2013
Their own tv platform (via Youview) is the "slow burner" of BT's strategy in my view, but they are developing a distinctive if not equivalent offer, that is not unduly dependent on Sky's content.

It has/will have a nice mix of non-Sky content and is a very simple "Plug "N" Play" addition to their fibre.

Although it would be useful to have access to all of Sky's channels, I think it's important for BT, to build a platform that isn't dependent on Sky's content and regulatory interventions; and that as it builds, so will the incentive for Sky to wholesale more of its content to BT.

From the perspective of a sports fan, I'd have to agree that the absence of Sky Sports is an issue at present. However, again, BT have started to address this by winning Champions League rights.
Radiomike
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“That may be one reason why BT think they need to grab as much of the premium sports content as possible for themselves... there would come a point where two problems are solved in one!

If so, Sky may live to regret the day they decided to be so aggressive and un-co-operative towards the infant BT Sport.”

...and on the other hand it may all blow up in BT's face if they don't gain enough paying subscribers and/or gain/retain sufficient Broadband customers to recoup the costs they are shelling out.

Ultimately I suspect that BT and Sky will come to some sort of arrangement that averts all out war. Whatever either claims to the contrary, an all out battle over sports rights, Broadband deals and so on is likely to damage both in the long run.

We don't even know what BT's strategy as to other sports rights is - they may be happy as a predominantly football and rugby based proposition, figuring that the extra costs of chasing other sports might not produce sufficient additional returns.
mlt11
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Good call. 5,000 net BB additions.”

Many thanks.

So for completeness the table for Calendar Q3 2013 can now be updated as follows (I'll put them in order of broadband base size):

BT - up 156,000
Sky - up 111,000
TalkTalk - up 5,000
EE/Orange - up 10,000
Rest of market - down 114,000
Total market - up 168,000

And as previously posted the numbers do not include VM cable as that is not within BT's definition of the market.

So it appears as if the small ISPs (in total) are being very badly squeezed by the major players.
Igloo_Man
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by Radiomike:
“We don't even know what BT's strategy as to other sports rights is - they may be happy as a predominantly football and rugby based proposition, figuring that the extra costs of chasing other sports might not produce sufficient additional returns.”

I think this a real possibility. Football is obviously the main driver (and in particular the PL) with rugby and cricket on the next tier down.

Sky's England contract (ECB?) isn't up for some years yet but when it is that could be the next big deal BT look to sign.

In the meantime sports beyond these three are of limited value to BT (tennis, golf, rugby league, F1 etc.) will attract customers, but not in the same amounts as the aforementioned three.

But ultimately the PL is the key rights, which is why a positive outcome in the next auction is critical to BT's long term plan. As long as Sky hold on the controlling first picks and all the second picks the movement of of customers from Sky to BT will be limited.
gomezz
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by 1andrew1:
“Trouble for BT in attracting sports fans to its YouView platform is that Sky Sports is not available on it.”

Yes it is.
mogzyboy
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Yes it is.”

Since when?
d'@ve
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Yes it is.”

Oh no it isn't!

(Into the spirit of the panto season already)
bottleofbest
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Yes it is.”

No it definitely is not. It's available on vision + only.
square_eyes
12-11-2013
New BT Sport TV ad to launch tonight:

The latest advertisement sees BT Sport's front man, Jake Humphrey, leaving the confines of BT's high tech studios to walk through the lives of BT Sport's viewers enjoying high quality live sport on the channel.

David James, Consumer marketing director, said: "We showcased some of BT Sport's terrific talent and ambassadors in our state of the art studios in our first ad. For the winter ad, we felt now was the time to move on and focus more on the passion the fans feel for the fantastic live sport we have on offer. I hope viewers will really enjoy the new ad, it's a showcase of the great action we have coming up, including more Barclays Premier League Top Pick matches than Sky Sports from now until the end of the season. We also hope people like the visual twist in the ad as Jake joins the fans."

http://www.4-traders.com/BT-GROUP-PL...V-ad-17455414/
batdude_uk1
12-11-2013
David James, Consumer Marketing Director???

Here is me thinking that he was a pundit and a manager in Iceland!

Shows what I know!
popeye13
12-11-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Yes it is.”

Its only available to the TalkTalk version of Youview, not the BT version
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