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BT Sports Channel (Part 2)
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wal28
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by bluesdiamond:
“are showing MLS this season?”

Surprise, surprise coverage has been very patchy - I believe they showed Defoe's debut live for FC Toronto last Saturday but that has been the only live game. They've had highlights of other games varying between 60 and 90 mins. They have however pulled ESPN's coverage from last season of the CONCACAF Champions League
PaulLFC
24-03-2014
BT Sport 1 - w/e 16 Mar 2014
1 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (SAT 1200) 333
2 SCOTTISH PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (FRI 1900) 84
3 UFC (SAT 2601) 47
4 UFC (SAT 2400) 43
5 BT SPORTS PANEL (SAT 1509) 26
6 SERIE A (SUN 1944) 24
7 UFC COUNTDOWN (WED 2159) 23
8 SERIE A (SUN 1127) 19
9 EUROPEAN FOOTBALL SHOW LIVE (SUN 1831) 16
10 NBA (THU 2300) 16

BT Sport 2 - w/e 16 Mar 2014
1 CLASSIC BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (FRI 2446) 17
2 2-BAKER & KELLY'S V.S.P.O (FRI 2205) 16
3 BUNDESLIGA (FRI 1915) 14
4 WRC REVIEW (WED 1800) 13
5 HYUNDAI A-LEAGUE (SAT 1100) 10
6 UFC (SUN 2130) 8
7 CLASSIC BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (FRI 2416) 8
8 CLASSIC BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (FRI 2346) 7
9 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE WORLD (WED 2200) 7
10 FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SUN 1558) 7

ESPN - w/e 16 Mar 2014
1 HD.OS15 (SAT 2208) 12
2 NBA (SUN 1929) 10
3 UEFA EUROPA LEAGUE (THU 2002) 8
4 NBA (THU 1230) 8
5 NBA TONIGHT (TUE 2234) 7
6 COLLEGE BASKETBALL LIVE (THU 1200) 6
7 NBA (THU 1430) 5
8 COLLEGE BASKETBALL LIVE (TUE 1731) 5
9 NBA TONIGHT (SAT 0732) 4
10 NBA (MON 1716) 4
Jonny_Bentley1
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by PaulLFC:
“BT Sport 1 - w/e 16 Mar 2014
1 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (SAT 1200) 333
2 SCOTTISH PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (FRI 1900) 84
3 UFC (SAT 2601) 47
4 UFC (SAT 2400) 43
5 BT SPORTS PANEL (SAT 1509) 26
6 SERIE A (SUN 1944) 24
7 UFC COUNTDOWN (WED 2159) 23
8 SERIE A (SUN 1127) 19
9 EUROPEAN FOOTBALL SHOW LIVE (SUN 1831) 16
10 NBA (THU 2300) 16

BT Sport 2 - w/e 16 Mar 2014
1 CLASSIC BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (FRI 2446) 17
2 2-BAKER & KELLY'S V.S.P.O (FRI 2205) 16
3 BUNDESLIGA (FRI 1915) 14
4 WRC REVIEW (WED 1800) 13
5 HYUNDAI A-LEAGUE (SAT 1100) 10
6 UFC (SUN 2130) 8
7 CLASSIC BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (FRI 2416) 8
8 CLASSIC BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (FRI 2346) 7
9 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE WORLD (WED 2200) 7
10 FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SUN 1558) 7

ESPN - w/e 16 Mar 2014
1 HD.OS15 (SAT 2208) 12
2 NBA (SUN 1929) 10
3 UEFA EUROPA LEAGUE (THU 2002) 8
4 NBA (THU 1230) 8
5 NBA TONIGHT (TUE 2234) 7
6 COLLEGE BASKETBALL LIVE (THU 1200) 6
7 NBA (THU 1430) 5
8 COLLEGE BASKETBALL LIVE (TUE 1731) 5
9 NBA TONIGHT (SAT 0732) 4
10 NBA (MON 1716) 4”

Surely Hull v Man City was a certain for 500,000+.
What happened?
Was it to do with the Six Nations?
One of BT's worst weeks in terms of figures all round also.

However, this next Monday's figures should see a healthy rise.
Certainly the big London derby, and the free to air return of the rugby should kick these figures up significantly.
D.M.N.
24-03-2014
MotoGP.

2013 - 1.67m (6.9%) - 19:30 to 21:00 [BBC2]
* peak: 2.12m (8.4%)
2014 - 187k (0.9%) - 18:30 to 20:00 [BT Sport 2]
* programme average: 126k (0.8%)
* peak: 230k (1.1%)
Igloo_Man
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by Jonny_Bentley1:
“Surely Hull v Man City was a certain for 500,000+.
What happened?
Was it to do with the Six Nations?
One of BT's worst weeks in terms of figures all round also.”

Italy-England was live on BBC One simultaneously, so that will have impacted the figures.

And remember that Man City are not one of the really big pulls. The previous Sat 12:45 games involving Man City on BT this season have rated as follows:

Hull (h) - 302,000
Everton (h) - 382,000
Arsenal (h) - 683,000

Clearly the Arsenal game is not a fair comparison as it's a high profile fixture, but compared to the other two games, it's done as you'd expect really. The viewers gained by the passage of time (those Hull and Everton games were quite early in the season) have been offset by the losses to the rugby.
Jonny_Bentley1
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by Igloo_Man:
“Italy-England was live on BBC One simultaneously, so that will have impacted the figures.

And remember that Man City are not one of the really big pulls. The previous Sat 12:45 games involving Man City on BT this season have rated as follows:

Hull (h) - 302,000
Everton (h) - 382,000
Arsenal (h) - 683,000

Clearly the Arsenal game is not a fair comparison as it's a high profile fixture, but compared to the other two games, it's done as you'd expect really. The viewers gained by the passage of time (those Hull and Everton games were quite early in the season) have been offset by the losses to the rugby.”

Thanks for the explanation but to be honest, I feel the previous fixture against Hull and the game against Everton aren't going to follow the current trend as they are averages taken from when the coverage originally began at 11.30 am, and also didn't have the benefit of the channels sudden increase in popularity following the Christmas period. I think they would both surpass 500,000 averages.

SIDENOTE: I still can't see how Man City v Everton was a fourth pick match when you look at the games Sky picked as 1st, 2nd and third choice for that week. That's surely a first choice!
AlexanderF1
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“MotoGP.

2013 - 1.67m (6.9%) - 19:30 to 21:00 [BBC2]
* peak: 2.12m (8.4%)
2014 - 187k (0.9%) - 18:30 to 20:00 [BT Sport 2]
* programme average: 126k (0.8%)
* peak: 230k (1.1%)”

what about moto 2 and 3 figures. not bad for bt moto gp but 90% peak viewers less than last year is quite shocking as feared when the deal was anounced
Igloo_Man
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by Jonny_Bentley1:
“Thanks for the explanation but to be honest, I feel the previous fixture against Hull and the game against Everton aren't going to follow the current trend as they are averages taken from when the coverage originally began at 11.30 am, and also didn't have the benefit of the channels sudden increase in popularity following the Christmas period. I think they would both surpass 500,000 averages.

SIDENOTE: I still can't see how Man City v Everton was a fourth pick match when you look at the games Sky picked as 1st, 2nd and third choice for that week. That's surely a first choice!”

Very true about the 11:30 start, but that wouldn't have had a hugely significant effect on these ratings. We'd still be in the same ballpark - ie. strugglying to break 400,000.

Man CIty-Everton was definitely a fourth pick for BT. When the first set of TV games were announced, the BT press release explicitly stated which of their games were first picks, with Man City-Everton not included. Although it was certainly a bizarre decision by Sky to use a first pick that weekend when they could have kept it for, say, Chelsea-Arsenal this past weekend instead!
Jonny_Bentley1
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by Igloo_Man:
“Very true about the 11:30 start, but that wouldn't have had a hugely significant effect on these ratings. We'd still be in the same ballpark - ie. strugglying to break 400,000.

Man CIty-Everton was definitely a fourth pick for BT. When the first set of TV games were announced, the BT press release explicitly stated which of their games were first picks, with Man City-Everton not included. Although it was certainly a bizarre decision by Sky to use a first pick that weekend when they could have kept it for, say, Chelsea-Arsenal this past weekend instead!”

A great way to see how Man City really do for bringing in the viewers with the game against Southampton. I see where you are coming from but for Sunderland v Southampton to pull in 445,000 viewers on average suggests there has been an increase in figures as the season has gone by. Theoretically, two mid table (ish) teams would have been lucky to break 300,000.

Just to comment on the final few games of the season and I feel viewing figures may not quite as attractive as some of the games earlier in the season, but all I would expect to beat around 450,000 viewers.
Man United v Aston Villa (650,000)
Man City v Southampton (503,000)
Tottenham v Fulham (485,000)
Southampton v Everton (455,000)

I'll punt for 880,000 for Chelsea and Arsenal.
mlt11
24-03-2014
Per Ratings Thread (courtesy of Dancc) Chelsea v Arsenal got 780k.

NB. That is obviously the overnight rating - official rating may vary slightly when reported by BARB.

One general point - if some BT ratings now look a little disappointing bear in mind weather / seasonality - as we move out of winter then better / warmer weather may have a slight adverse impact vs the Dec/Jan/Feb period - particularly for BT's Sat 12.45pm slot.
casinoman13
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Per Ratings Thread (courtesy of Dancc) Chelsea v Arsenal got 780k.

NB. That is obviously the overnight rating - official rating may vary slightly when reported by BARB.

One general point - if some BT ratings now look a little disappointing bear in mind weather / seasonality - as we move out of winter then better / warmer weather may have a slight adverse impact vs the Dec/Jan/Feb period - particularly for BT's Sat 12.45pm slot.”

Only re emphasizes the point that at the next rights they must get another package with controlling picks, with better time slots.

I think its fair to say if they only keep what they got it will be a huge disappointment to them.
lordloz
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by AlexanderF1:
“what about moto 2 and 3 figures. not bad for bt moto gp but 90% peak viewers less than last year is quite shocking as feared when the deal was anounced”

I've just replied to this in the F1 thread but basically this was no surprise and if it was to BT they don't have a clue what they are doing

(ITV4 was a last minute facepalm moment when they realised UK audience would shrink massively and with manufacturers and sponsors wanting to sell bikes and products they needed to address this a bit..

Mel designed to be a recognized person to casual viewers ( i think she did a brilliant job for her first time as well)

I don't think SKY figures were great when they started out and the F1 audience has also shrunk for them (especially compared to FTA but also because of the snoozefest last year was)

BT have to take the long term view that it becomes part of their portfolio - and after being annoyed and sceptical I loved the coverage and happy to pay for that if that's what we will get each time
Jonny_Bentley1
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Only re emphasizes the point that at the next rights they must get another package with controlling picks, with better time slots.

I think its fair to say if they only keep what they got it will be a huge disappointment to them.”

While I agree, the Champions League football and Europa League football will certainly beef up their football coverage, as well as their proposed move for La Liga rights. It means they would only need I would say 50-60 Prem games and they would be a serious rival to Sky, even if they had 80-90.
lordloz
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Was it me or was there more time between races this weekend especially between Moto3 and Moto2? And I think an hour's pre-show is too long and hope that is just as a scene setter for the season opener. Thirty minutes is plenty, going to 45 minutes for Silverstone.”

i thought that as well gomezz but may have been just because of series opener...but then again I think was about the same - with the commercials in between we perhaps got less grid walk time from front to back in 2 and 3 but post race about same ...

i think after lay off riders took long time to ride back into parc ferme though as well making most of first wins...especially kangaroo jack ...
seagull_Mark
24-03-2014
Yeah I wouldn't want BT to have more than 2 PL games a weekend as any more than that would be too much. Currently one match a week makes it feel a bit more special, particularly when it's a huge match like this weekend just gone. Sky churn out 3, 4, 5 PL games a weekend and I rarely bother with more than one unless its a big one; they feel like it's just another game.
Jonny_Bentley1
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by seagull_Mark:
“Yeah I wouldn't want BT to have more than 2 PL games a weekend as any more than that would be too much. Currently one match a week makes it feel a bit more special, particularly when it's a huge match like this weekend just gone. Sky churn out 3, 4, 5 PL games a weekend and I rarely bother with more than one unless its a big one; they feel like it's just another game.”

Exactly. Personally, I would try and keep the 12.45 slot and either the 13.30 Sunday slot or 20.00 Monday night slot. The 16.00 is excellent but very expensive while two of these three options would be ideal. Like you say, three or four a week can be a bit much unless they are all top games.

In 2015, BT will have 38 Premier League games, all Champions League games, all Europa League, 25 FA Cup Games, 30+ Scottish Games, Foreign Football (Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1, (and perhaps La Liga)) and Skrill Premier Leagues.

Sky on the other hand could quite possible be left with BPL games, FL games and Scottish games, giving BT an advantage over Sky in terms of variety at least.
JSemple3
24-03-2014
I've said it a few times but I think BT might do well with the next auction. They either might get the saturday night games (along with their saturday lunchtime games) some sunday games or monday nights
fodg09
24-03-2014
I don't think BT would have any issue with showing 3 or 4 Premier League games a weekend - I fully expect them to bid for every package made available. Their strategy last time was to win the lions share of rights and I don't think that will change when the process begins again.
JSemple3
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by fodg09:
“I don't think BT would have any issue with showing 3 or 4 Premier League games a weekend - I fully expect them to bid for every package made available. Their strategy last time was to win the lions share of rights and I don't think that will change when the process begins again.”

What did BT actually try and get? Not sure but they put in bids for 5 packages apparently?
gomezz
24-03-2014
Originally Posted by lordloz:
“(ITV4 was a last minute facepalm moment when they realised UK audience would shrink massively and with manufacturers and sponsors wanting to sell bikes and products they needed to address this a bit”

Must admit I was impressed with the amount of action they packed using brief voiceover lead-ins from Gavin Emmett and no padding. I can see the casual viewer being happy enough with that.
Matthew_Maguire
24-03-2014
I was wondering why BT got the 12.45 slot as it certainly isn't the best for viewing figures. BT has had 3 games which have reached more than 1 million viewers:

26 December 2013 (17:30) Manchester City v Liverpool (1,335,000)
1 January 2014 (17:30) Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur (1,301,000)
12 February 2014 (19:45) Arsenal v Manchester United (1,118,000)

All 3 of these games are in the evening and not on a Saturday. If BT wants to truly challenge Sky it is going to surely have to look at getting a Sunday or Monday slot. Having said that Sky will surely fight as much as they can to retain their Super Sunday and MNF slots as having sacrificed so much already to BT they wont want to lose anything more.
PaulLFC
25-03-2014
Originally Posted by Matthew_Maguire:
“All 3 of these games are in the evening and not on a Saturday. If BT wants to truly challenge Sky it is going to surely have to look at getting a Sunday or Monday slot. Having said that Sky will surely fight as much as they can to retain their Super Sunday and MNF slots as having sacrificed so much already to BT they wont want to lose anything more.”

I wonder if the recent deal extensions Sky signed will have impacted how much they have to spend on PL rights? Obviously not to the extent that BT's CL deal will have dented BT's finances, but presumably Sky now have less money to play with than they did on the day of that BT deal, given they've signed plenty of new deals since. That does give Sky variety though in the event that they lose any more PL games next auction.
Steve Williams
25-03-2014
Originally Posted by Matthew_Maguire:
“If BT wants to truly challenge Sky it is going to surely have to look at getting a Sunday or Monday slot. Having said that Sky will surely fight as much as they can to retain their Super Sunday and MNF slots as having sacrificed so much already to BT they wont want to lose anything more.”

I don't know if Monday is that key a slot, Sky coped perfectly well without it for three years when it was on Setanta and ESPN. There are some big matches there but you certainly don't get to have a match a week and you're often very limited in who you can feature there, plus it goes up against primetime fare on other channels. The thing about Sunday 1.30 too is that it might seem like a bit of a warm-up rather than a key slot in its own right. If BT wanted to go for anything they might want to try for Saturday teatimes because then they can "own" Saturdays like Sky "own" Sundays.
Ian Cleverly
25-03-2014
Vaguely BT related, but Dan Mason has said that the ESPN FC Podcast will be finishing at the end of this football season.
mogzyboy
25-03-2014
So, no Masters golf for BTV viewers, then. Interesting move by Sky.
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