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BT Sports Channel (Part 2)
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mlt11
11-08-2014
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“They didn't schedule main games on SS1 & 2 though? Champions League coverage was on SS2 & SS4 - with occasional games also being shown on Sky1 - that's 2 channels not available on the BT TV service, either via a Vision+ or a YouView box. Suddenly, it's now a requirement to carry SS5 just because they're using that in place of SS3 and/or SS4?”

mavreela meant that the number 1 game (not main games plural as in number 1 + number 2) was on SS1 or SS2 (usually SS2 but sometimes SS1 in knock-out rounds).

So BT (with SS1 + SS2) was getting the number 1 game.

Now Sky is putting the number 1 game on SS5 - so BT needs to get SS5 to maintain the status quo re the number 1 game - which (per mavreela, who I'm sure is right though I've not checked this myself) is required per Sky/BT contract as submitted in evidence to CAT appeal.
popeye13
11-08-2014
Id be amazed if Sky actually move all UCL coverage to SS5.
Has anyone actually seen the schedules or proposed schedules and where it shows that all UCL matches will now be on SS5?
Because that would mean only one game per match day and the rest via the red button in SD only....
Chris_Devoy
11-08-2014
Just got bt sport for £8 quid a month for a year bargin !
stv viewer
12-08-2014
Does anyone know how BT plan to show there free champions league games?
popeye13
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by stv viewer:
“Does anyone know how BT plan to show there free champions league games?”

By un-encrypting the channel on digital satellite and digital cable.
alexvsc
12-08-2014
The Portuguese flag already appearing on European Football Show logo that ended now. Nice news!

Anybody knows if BT will broadcast any match from round 1 of Portugal Primeira Liga this weekend?
daver34
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by alexvsc:
“The Portuguese flag already appearing on European Football Show logo that ended now. Nice news!

Anybody knows if BT will broadcast any match from round 1 of Portugal Primeira Liga this weekend?”

Look on previous page.
PaulLFC
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by alexvsc:
“The Portuguese flag already appearing on European Football Show logo that ended now. Nice news!

Anybody knows if BT will broadcast any match from round 1 of Portugal Primeira Liga this weekend?”

Yes 2 matches as found by foxinthebox

Originally Posted by foxinthebox:
“BT are showing 2 matches live on ESPN this weekend from the Portuguese league.

Porto at 8.00 on Friday and Sporting at 8.30 on Saturday, with Benfica being showed delayed on Monday morning.

It dues mean that Caen v Lille has vanished from the schedule though... Maybe a digital exclusive?”

wal28
12-08-2014
Sorry to lose the Caen-Lile fixture...I think that would be the better fixture of the two...
LOSG
12-08-2014
Caen Lille is still listed on ESPN on the BT Sport Website.
mavreela
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by Radiomike:
“That legal team hasn't succeeded yet in getting any Sky Sports services on to their You View boxes/platform has it. SS5 will only be on the older BT Vision boxes.”

Indeed, I am not sure why you are telling me this though as I never suggested otherwise.

Originally Posted by promo-only:
“Suddenly, it's now a requirement to carry SS5 just because they're using that in place of SS3 and/or SS4?”

They are not using SS5 in place of SS3 and 4 though, a lot of what it is showing used to be on SS1 and 2. It is the primary channel for their European leagues and competitions with other channels (even including SS1 and 2) being used for alternative choices.

Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Now Sky is putting the number 1 game on SS5 - so BT needs to get SS5 to maintain the status quo re the number 1 game - which (per mavreela, who I'm sure is right though I've not checked this myself) is required per Sky/BT contract as submitted in evidence to CAT appeal.”

Thanks, but unfortunately having quickly searched the hearing transcript to pull out the quote it seems I was wrong. Guarantees were only included in the original agreement for DTT distribution.

On page 64 BSkyB's counsel states "(After a pause) I am told that actually it is not a requirement under the WMO obligation. It is true that there was some protection given under the agreement which BT and Sky entered into, the original DTT distribution agreement… And the point we make is that no dispute as to that, or anything else, has arisen under the commercial agreement that could have been submitted to Ofcom under the WMO obligation."

Yet I must have overlook on page 34 where BT's counsel had said "Equally, we know they did the Cardinal IPTV deal with BT. We know that they took a tough line whereby not only did they get the rate card prices but also other protections, particularly the one that you, my Lord, thought would be obvious, that you would have to have in a commercial deal about not shifting content, they refused to give."

And on Page 63 BSkyB's counsel responded by saying: "It is worth noting, possibly also, that as far as Sky was prepared to offer comfort on content shifting again subject to reciprocity on that. I doubt you are going to go so far as to look at the term sheets but in tab 12 of bundle 6, you will find a term sheet with a reference to programming commitments, which will show you the position there."

Sadly obviously referring to confidential documents.

The hearing transcript is here:
http://www.catribunal.org.uk/files/1...g_230714-2.pdf

So it seems BT must have been willing to give up those protections in return for being able to transfer distribution from DTT to IPTV so they could launch BT Sport in its place. Although depending on the terms of the contract, even without specific content guarantees there could still be legal recourse if it constitutes a significant change overall.

It may be that BSkyB felt the need to offer SS5 to avoid that. And it would certainly go against them in the various legal proceedings if they are seen to be removing and withholding such content from BT.

Also BSkyB's position on why they offered a deal over IPTV, even though not required by the interim order, was that "if Sky were not prepared to ensure distribution by IPTV, that would have involved cutting off existing customers, which is not something that Sky wants to do." (p69) I suppose offering SS5 is consistent with that claim, where not offering it would have meant a significant reduction to those subscribers.
DragonQ
12-08-2014
Haven't been following this thread for a while...has Sky given BT a first pick on the first week? I'm surprised they'd pass on showing Van Gaal's first match.
Jonny_Bentley1
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by DragonQ:
“Haven't been following this thread for a while...has Sky given BT a first pick on the first week? I'm surprised they'd pass on showing Van Gaal's first match.”

You would think so. It was clever of Sky because they knew BT would take Man United (and probably rightly so as it's the most hyped match of the opening round), but this paved the way for Sky to show all of last season's top four which is easy to market for them.
No one knows for definite but it's believed Sky have used 7 first picks up to December while BT have used 6.
mlt11
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“It may be that BSkyB felt the need to offer SS5 to avoid that. And it would certainly go against them in the various legal proceedings if they are seen to be removing and withholding such content from BT.

Also BSkyB's position on why they offered a deal over IPTV, even though not required by the interim order, was that "if Sky were not prepared to ensure distribution by IPTV, that would have involved cutting off existing customers, which is not something that Sky wants to do." (p69) I suppose offering SS5 is consistent with that claim, where not offering it would have meant a significant reduction to those subscribers.”

Thanks for your latest post.

I won't respond to it all is it is largely self-explanatory but just one random thought re your final two paragraphs:

Are any new BT TV subscribers - ie people signing up to BT TV today - getting Sky Sports? I seem to recall that BT is no longer selling BT Vision boxes - ie it is now just selling YouView (which doesn't have Sky Sports).

If so, then this really is a pretty minor issue as far as Sky is concerned because it would just be a "legacy run-off" situation - ie Sky Sports would not be acting as a driver for new BT TV subs.

And if the above is the case there really would not be any point in denying SS5. Indeed it wouldn't be sensible to do so if there was any risk of a downside (whether potential contract breach or even just looking bad at future hearings) from "removing" key content.
Radiomike
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“Indeed, I am not sure why you are telling me this though as I never suggested otherwise.”

My quote from your earlier post was

"BT has spent far too much on their legal team to allow Sky to be able to withhold home nations and the biggest drawing teams in Europe from their platform alone."

I was simply pointing out that the legal team had only been successful in so far as BT's BT Vision boxes/platform was concerned and NOT so far as You View was concerned (where in your terms Sky are still able to withhold home nations etc etc.)

As such I think it was a valid response to your comment. I was just drawing the distinction between BT Vision and You View which you had not done.
ariusuk
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Are any new BT TV subscribers - ie people signing up to BT TV today - getting Sky Sports? I seem to recall that BT is no longer selling BT Vision boxes - ie it is now just selling YouView (which doesn't have Sky Sports).

If so, then this really is a pretty minor issue as far as Sky is concerned because it would just be a "legacy run-off" situation - ie Sky Sports would not be acting as a driver for new BT TV subs.

And if the above is the case there really would not be any point in denying SS5. Indeed it wouldn't be sensible to do so if there was any risk of a downside (whether potential contract breach or even just looking bad at future hearings) from "removing" key content.”

That's certainly my interpretation of this.
mavreela
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Are any new BT TV subscribers - ie people signing up to BT TV today - getting Sky Sports? I seem to recall that BT is no longer selling BT Vision boxes - ie it is now just selling YouView (which doesn't have Sky Sports).”

They are, if you order Sky Sports when you sign up you get a BT Vision box instead of a YouView one. Obviously it is therefore part of BSkyB's position in the current hearing that BT are still able to offer Sky Sports and so what the interim order sought to protect is in place without the need to amend it for the sake of YouView boxes.

Originally Posted by Radiomike:
“I was just drawing the distinction between BT Vision and You View which you had not done.”

The distinction between the two boxes was explicitly made by promo-only (post #4577) which began our discussion. So I am still confused why it needed to be repeated it back to him or her?
mlt11
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“They are, if you order Sky Sports when you sign up you get a BT Vision box instead of a YouView one. Obviously it is therefore part of BSkyB's position in the current hearing that BT are still able to offer Sky Sports and so what the interim order sought to protect is in place without the need to amend it for the sake of YouView boxes.”

OK, thanks.

However I suspect my point still stands commercially - in the sense that Sky will know what the numbers are and if the number of new BT TV customers getting Sky Sports through BT Vision is only miniscule then from a commercial point of view it doesn't matter to Sky.

And as you say it means that Sky can argue that SS is still available to new BT TV customers.
mlt11
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“Id be amazed if Sky actually move all UCL coverage to SS5.
Has anyone actually seen the schedules or proposed schedules and where it shows that all UCL matches will now be on SS5?
Because that would mean only one game per match day and the rest via the red button in SD only....”

I think it's clear that the "number 1 game" presented by Stelling will be on SS5 and that the red button showing all games will be on SS5.

The schedules are out for both legs of the CL play-off round and all Sky games (ie Tue and Wed both weeks) are on SS5 - but of course they only have one "main game" each night in the PO round.

The outstanding question is what will happen to the second "main game". This could still be on SS4 or maybe Sky 1 could be an option.

If Celtic makes the group stage then a third "main game" is also needed (when Celtic play on Wed) - presumably on SS3.
wildphantom!
12-08-2014
I wish BT would put up the European Football Show on demand as the show doesn't repeat at all throughout the week only highlights this will probably have something to do with rights but would be good to have the option.
PaulLFC
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by wildphantom!:
“I wish BT would put up the European Football Show on demand as the show doesn't repeat at all throughout the week only highlights this will probably have something to do with rights but would be good to have the option.”

I'm sure they used to last season, I remember testing out the Chromecast by watching an on demand episode of EFS. It obviously has most of the live match edited out, though.
casinoman13
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by Jonny_Bentley1:
“You would think so. It was clever of Sky because they knew BT would take Man United (and probably rightly so as it's the most hyped match of the opening round), but this paved the way for Sky to show all of last season's top four which is easy to market for them.
No one knows for definite but it's believed Sky have used 7 first picks up to December while BT have used 6.”

Not sure if it was clever of Sky at all.

Yes your right it gave Sky the chance to show last season's top 4 but will any of the rate as high as the Man Utd game if it was on Sky? I very much doubt it.

Like them or hate them no matter what they are the best team for viewing figures and for BT to have them first up is a massive one for them and they will expect a big audience.

I know its all about first picks and when to use them but if Man City were on Sat and Man Utd Sunday then we would be talking very different figures.
ariusuk
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Not sure if it was clever of Sky at all.

Yes your right it gave Sky the chance to show last season's top 4 but will any of the rate as high as the Man Utd game if it was on Sky? I very much doubt it.”

It doesn't matter though. Sky don't need viewing figures. What matters is that they've forced BT to use a first pick in a week when BT would have been quite happy to have fourth pick.

What's more, they've forced BT to use 6 of their first picks in the first third of the season. They only have 7 more first pick weekend games until May.
Jonny_Bentley1
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“It doesn't matter though. Sky don't need viewing figures. What matters is that they've forced BT to use a first pick in a week when BT would have been quite happy to have fourth pick.

What's more, they've forced BT to use 6 of their first picks in the first third of the season. They only have 7 more first pick weekend games until May.”

Sky have been very tactical in these opening few months.
They have BT Man United v Everton and Newcastle v Liverpool (to name 2 examples) as fourth picks on weeks where they appear the obvious second pick, to try and get BT to max out on their quotas more quickly.
However, BT's little ace is that they only show Chelsea once up until December which means you can guarantee they will be shown frequently pre and post the Christmas fixtures.
seagull_Mark
12-08-2014
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“I think it's clear that the "number 1 game" presented by Stelling will be on SS5 and that the red button showing all games will be on SS5.

The outstanding question is what will happen to the second "main game". This could still be on SS4 or maybe Sky 1 could be an option.”

Sky1 will continue to show live Champions League this season but I can't remember the exact plans. I'll have to let you know later!

Originally Posted by wildphantom!:
“I wish BT would put up the European Football Show on demand as the show doesn't repeat at all throughout the week only highlights this will probably have something to do with rights but would be good to have the option.”

The EFS studio stuff is repeated in full, along with a short edit of the main live game, several times during the week in a 2 hour slot. The next showing is 2am on BTS1
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