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BT CL ratings:
Arsenal v Bayern - 758,000 CSKA v Man Utd - 508,000 Other games not in daily top 10s. Excellent rating for the Arsenal game - the first really strong BT CL rating for a game not featuring Man Utd - not surprising given the quality of the game - but still good to see it. EDIT: casinoman beat me by 4 minutes! |
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BT CL ratings:
Arsenal v Bayern - 758,000 CSKA v Man Utd - 508,000 Other games not in daily top 10s. Excellent rating for the Arsenal game - the first really strong BT CL rating for a game not featuring Man Utd - not surprising given the quality of the game - but still good to see it. EDIT: casinoman beat me by 4 minutes! Man Utd/Arsenal v Barcelona/Real Madrid just a few examples. |
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BT CL ratings:
Arsenal v Bayern - 758,000 CSKA v Man Utd - 508,000 Other games not in daily top 10s. Excellent rating for the Arsenal game - the first really strong BT CL rating for a game not featuring Man Utd - not surprising given the quality of the game - but still good to see it. EDIT: casinoman beat me by 4 minutes! Man Utd V Wolfsburg achieved a higher rating, albeit slightly higher. I know that there is a very large Man Utd audience, but Arsenal V Bayern should surely rate similar to Man Utd V Wolfsburg? On a wider point, where the gain to BT is big in terms of CL is that I think quite a few people will only watch one CL game a week. Previously ITV was probably enough, so BT to get additional sign ups probably needed both nights (I appreciate wider broadband debate) Arsenal V Olympiakos was around 420k. They probably took quite a few people from Chelsea game (Kiev V Chelsea weaker than Porto V Chelsea) Man Utd game down 300k a day later, suggests that one match per week is what a considerable number watch I appreciate the very basic calculation above. The BT results will be very interesting. I cant work out how the split of BT Sport Europe subscribers, or even the numbers and the additional income BT will derive. |
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As a non BT subscriber, the Arsenal V Bayern game was the first time I felt that I had 'missed out,' so I may be a bit biased here but was rating for Arsenal that good?
Man Utd V Wolfsburg achieved a higher rating, albeit slightly higher. I know that there is a very large Man Utd audience, but Arsenal V Bayern should surely rate similar to Man Utd V Wolfsburg? On a wider point, where the gain to BT is big in terms of CL is that I think quite a few people will only watch one CL game a week. Previously ITV was probably enough, so BT to get additional sign ups probably needed both nights (I appreciate wider broadband debate) Arsenal V Olympiakos was around 420k. They probably took quite a few people from Chelsea game (Kiev V Chelsea weaker than Porto V Chelsea) Man Utd game down 300k a day later, suggests that one match per week is what a considerable number watch I appreciate the very basic calculation above. The BT results will be very interesting. I cant work out how the split of BT Sport Europe subscribers, or even the numbers and the additional income BT will derive. Also note there are only 15 min intros on the main games which will be providing uplift vs more "normal" programme length. CSKA/MU rating in line with PSV/MU - the MU/Wolfsburg rating was very significantly higher - no obvious reason - extra 30 mins intro on PSV only explains a bit re that game only - but only a bit. Re financials - Sky results were out yesterday - very strong indeed - customer growth up and churn down - strongly implies no effect at all from losing the CL - however very early days - end of the quarter only coincided with MD2 - any effect likely to be like "turning round oil tanker" - ie takes very long time to filter through - customers take long time to digest and then to take decisions. Sky results: https://corporate.sky.com/documents/...%20release.pdf BT results next week - Sky no adverse effect doesn't mean we won't see a positive effect in BT results - not a zero sum game - as previously discussed! |
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You may be interested to know that the latest BT Sport Fan Forum survey has been sent out, and this time they're asking about what additional products, features or services BT Sport can introduce - quite literally, as they just put the question up above an empty box you could type anything into.
They then outlined five specific concepts with opinion questions, namely: - An HD version of the existing BT Sport app - An app on PS4/Xbox One - An app for Smart TV/Apple TV - An online/app-only subscription to BT Sport requiring no TV subscription or broadband tie-up - Live pay-per-view boxing. I found the latter two the most revealing of BT's future intentions, particularly the pay-per-view; does that signal an intent to go after Sky's existing deals with boxing promoters or strengthen their links with BoxNation? |
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You may be interested to know that the latest BT Sport Fan Forum survey has been sent out, and this time they're asking about what additional products, features or services BT Sport can introduce - quite literally, as they just put the question up above an empty box you could type anything into.
They then outlined five specific concepts with opinion questions, namely: - An HD version of the existing BT Sport app - An app on PS4/Xbox One - An app for Smart TV/Apple TV - An online/app-only subscription to BT Sport requiring no TV subscription or broadband tie-up - Live pay-per-view boxing. I found the latter two the most revealing of BT's future intentions, particularly the pay-per-view; does that signal an intent to go after Sky's existing deals with boxing promoters or strengthen their links with BoxNation? |
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If they bring out a smart TV app at no extra charge, I'd probably cancel my second box sub.
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My survey was a little different then - I wasn't offered the fourth option from your list.
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Would be good if someone could provide the peaks for Arsenal v Bayern and the United games.
As many have said, this was the first "'marquee" game that BT have had in the CL and a 760k average is pretty good given it was competing with a Chelsea game. Wouldn't be surprised if a English knockout game easily breaks the 1m mark - assuming an English team gets there! |
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Would be good if someone could provide the peaks for Arsenal v Bayern and the United games.
As many have said, this was the first "'marquee" game that BT have had in the CL and a 760k average is pretty good given it was competing with a Chelsea game. Wouldn't be surprised if a English knockout game easily breaks the 1m mark - assuming an English team gets there! |
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I found the latter two the most revealing of BT's future intentions, particularly the pay-per-view; does that signal an intent to go after Sky's existing deals with boxing promoters or strengthen their links with BoxNation? |
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Sensible commentary option at the Emirates, the box office Darke with the excellent Hargreaves.
Sky did this when they went 3D and it made the channel feel cheap. Good to see the UHD cameras at the Emirates at normal height and distance. |
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Why do BT persist with another set on commentators for the UHD game? They are watching the same game as the other commentators.
Sky did this when they went 3D and it made the channel feel cheap. It would be very jarring for the UHD channel to show a replay from one angle while the commentators talk over a replay from the main coverage. |
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Why do BT persist with another set on commentators for the UHD game? They are watching the same game as the other commentators.
Sky did this when they went 3D and it made the channel feel cheap. Good to see the UHD cameras at the Emirates at normal height and distance. If you tried to overlay the HD commentary on the UHD feed you'd have occasions where they were talking about something you weren't seeing. |
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One crazy thing about the UHD channel, is that, you are getting the best of the best in picture quality, yet you aren't getting the best of the BT commentators to go along with the pictures.
Not sure what else you could do, but take the Arsenal v Bayern Munich game on Tuesday night. BT Sport Europe had Ian Darke and Owen Hargreaves and the BT Sport Ultra HD channel had Paul Dempsey and Trevor Francis. Now without being unkind, Ian Darke is by far a better commentator than Paul Dempsey, yet Paul Dempsey is on the so called Superior channel. I wonder how long it will take for there to be a change in roles, and the BT Sport Ultra channel to be classed as the main BT Sport channel!! |
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One crazy thing about the UHD channel, is that, you are getting the best of the best in picture quality, yet you aren't getting the best of the BT commentators to go along with the pictures.
Not sure what else you could do, but take the Arsenal v Bayern Munich game on Tuesday night. BT Sport Europe had Ian Darke and Owen Hargreaves and the BT Sport Ultra HD channel had Paul Dempsey and Trevor Francis. Now without being unkind, Ian Darke is by far a better commentator than Paul Dempsey, yet Paul Dempsey is on the so called Superior channel. I wonder how long it will take for there to be a change in roles, and the BT Sport Ultra channel to be classed as the main BT Sport channel!! |
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BT perhaps unsurprisingly using BT Sport Europe for their Champions Cup rugby coverage.
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You may be interested to know that the latest BT Sport Fan Forum survey has been sent out, and this time they're asking about what additional products, features or services BT Sport can introduce - quite literally, as they just put the question up above an empty box you could type anything into.
They then outlined five specific concepts with opinion questions, namely: - An HD version of the existing BT Sport app - An app on PS4/Xbox One - An app for Smart TV/Apple TV - An online/app-only subscription to BT Sport requiring no TV subscription or broadband tie-up - Live pay-per-view boxing. I found the latter two the most revealing of BT's future intentions, particularly the pay-per-view; does that signal an intent to go after Sky's existing deals with boxing promoters or strengthen their links with BoxNation? |
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My survey was a little different then - I wasn't offered the fourth option from your list.
I didn't like the talk of an extra subscription for the console apps as I think one price should cover access anywhere. Also while I like the sound of a HD version of the app, aren't the streams already 720p? Presumably they're going to bump them up to 1080p or increase the bitrate? |
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I wasn't offered that option either, but got the other options.
I didn't like the talk of an extra subscription for the console apps as I think one price should cover access anywhere. Also while I like the sound of a HD version of the app, aren't the streams already 720p? Presumably they're going to bump them up to 1080p or increase the bitrate? Offering 1080p would be ace i have to say PPV boxing im good with, so long as there is no ad breaks like Sky have the gall to do! |
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BT perhaps unsurprisingly using BT Sport Europe for their Champions Cup rugby coverage.
It will be interesting what happens when there is European Football and European Rugby on at the same time, which will be on Europe? |
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Is this just for round 1 when there are no European Football games due to the international break?
It will be interesting what happens when there is European Football and European Rugby on at the same time, which will be on Europe? I have a feeling they want to keep the rugby away from the Lite package, so they may well use Europe where possible (so definitely 3pm and any other time that it doesn't clash with major football), but move the rugby where the football is more appealing. |
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You may be interested to know that the latest BT Sport Fan Forum survey has been sent out, and this time they're asking about what additional products, features or services BT Sport can introduce - quite literally, as they just put the question up above an empty box you could type anything into.
They then outlined five specific concepts with opinion questions, namely: - An HD version of the existing BT Sport app - An app on PS4/Xbox One - An app for Smart TV/Apple TV - An online/app-only subscription to BT Sport requiring no TV subscription or broadband tie-up - Live pay-per-view boxing. I found the latter two the most revealing of BT's future intentions, particularly the pay-per-view; does that signal an intent to go after Sky's existing deals with boxing promoters or strengthen their links with BoxNation? As I only use the app on the tablet or via Chromecast on the tv, I'd be interested in the full HD version for a modest extra charge. |
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BT Q2 Results out. I'll let others who know more do the legwork on analysis but this pasted in from The Register: Quote:
Telecoms giant BT posted flat results for its second quarter earnings, just days after it was given the green light by Blighty's spending watchdog to snap up mobile operator EE for £12.5bn. Edit, more from CEO:For the three months to September, the one-time state monopoly posted flat revenue of £4.38bn for the second half of 2015, compared with the same period last year. Profit before tax was up two per cent to £706m. Gavin Patterson, BT chief exec, noted demand for broadband remains strong with fibre net additions up 21 per cent, hitting five million. He added: “We’ve seen good demand for BT Sport Europe and this has helped us add a record number of BT TV customers in the quarter." "Its contribution has been better than we expected, helping drive a seven per cent increase in BT Consumer revenue. Mobile is another growth area and I am pleased our consumer customer base now stands at more than 200,000," he added. "And I am also pleased that yesterday, the Competition and Markets Authority provisionally approved our planned acquisition of EE, unconditionally without remedies," said Patterson. Quote:
We’ve seen good demand for BT Sport Europe and this has helped us add a record number of BT TV customers in the quarter. Its contribution has been better than we expected, helping drive a 7% increase in BT Consumer revenue
Edit 2, from the slide deck produced for the Q2 earnings call:- Ave Revenue per User (ARPU) up 7% (17% for broadband + TV) - 82,000 broadband additions, 212,000 fibre additions - 106,000 BT TV additions ("best ever" quarterly performance) - BT Sport "average daily viewing" (??) up by 47% - "majority" of customers taking the full range of channels (i.e. not downgrading to BT Sport Lite) - Unique monthly visits to "relaunched" BT Sport app up 30% http://www.btplc.com/Sharesandperfor...215-slides.pdf |
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BT Q2 Results out.
- Ave Revenue per User (ARPU) up 7% (17% for broadband + TV) - 82,000 broadband additions, 212,000 fibre additions - 106,000 BT TV additions ("best ever" quarterly performance) - BT Sport "average daily viewing" (??) up by 47% - "majority" of customers taking the full range of channels (i.e. not downgrading to BT Sport Lite) - Unique monthly visits to "relaunched" BT Sport app up 30% http://www.btplc.com/Sharesandperfor...215-slides.pdf In summary it looks like very good customer and revenue growth indeed. However the additional costs of CL are such that profits have fallen. Anyone interested in detailed numbers look at slide 4 (5/11) "BT Consumer" (link below) where you get every number for the last 10 quarters - and can thus compare to the same quarter for the last 2 years. The BT TV net additions number is outstanding - 106,000 isn't just the best ever - it's the best ever by miles. In the same quarter two years ago (ie launch of BT PL) they got 70,000. Same quarter last year was 38,000. However there hasn't been any impact on BT's share of broadband net additions - which were 51% - very similar to previous quarters - see slide 7 (8/11) "Broadband". Remember that metric spiked following launch of BT PL. Also no impact on fibre additions - though they are at a high level anyway. Broadband + TV (the total of the two) - revenue growth is 17% vs same quarter in prior year - by coincidence that is the identical rate of growth as in the same quarter last year and the same quarter 2 years ago. That's a very high rate of growth indeed and it has being sustained. However it looks like it needed CL to sustain it - revenue growth in the previous quarter (ie April to June 2015) was 7% vs prior year. The downside is the bottom line - the additional costs of CL have outweighed the additional revenue with the result that profits have fallen. Most sensible to look at the EBITDA line (BT Sport will have little Capex) - EBITDA is down 10% vs same quarter in prior year (though it's higher than the same quarter 2 years ago - though that would have been depressed by substantial BT Sport launch costs). Two big caveats: 1) It's very, early days - end of the quarter only coincided with CL MD2. 2) Don't know precisely how CL costs are being charged across the year - ie how much of the £299m CL rights cost has hit the P&L this quarter - it may not actually be that much. So I think the next quarter's results will be more telling in terms of the ongoing effect on profits. Slide 5/11 and 8/11: http://www.btplc.com/Sharesandperfor.../q215-KPIs.pdf |
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