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Old 04-08-2016, 20:03
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Yes I have to say liking the new logo for ESPN. All they have to do is change the dogs on the other channels now but that is highly unlikely
They have changed them.
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Old 04-08-2016, 20:18
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Premiership rugby should seriously consider ditching BT and going back to sky. The singha 7s have yet again been put on bt sport 3 with that awful clutter around the left and bottom of the screen. BT Sport have shown utter contempt for rugby by insisting that they have the info on screen and that you have to press the red button to view it !!!!
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Old 04-08-2016, 20:52
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Premiership rugby should seriously consider ditching BT and going back to sky. The singha 7s have yet again been put on bt sport 3 with that awful clutter around the left and bottom of the screen. BT Sport have shown utter contempt for rugby by insisting that they have the info on screen and that you have to press the red button to view it !!!!
If you're talking about the live rugby sevens on Sunday, they don't use the "awful clutter" on live programming.
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Old 04-08-2016, 21:28
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They still have that stupid policy of having the logo onscreen set to an opacity level of 255, making it a solid colour!!

WHY?!
Plus, why the ESPN part for a live broadcast does it have to be bloody red?!?!?!?!!!

I swear that BT is now trolling!
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Old 04-08-2016, 21:39
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Going to miss Fletch and Sav on a Saturday morning. Soccer AM is such a crap alternative.

Will also really miss the lunchtime games too. Was nice to watch while getting ready to go out for the day. 5.30 is a crap time for a kick off for me, I'm rarely at home that time of day and if I do catch the game I'm normally in a pub watching it for free anyway.

BT Sport has been significantly devalued for me this season. Anyone else feel the same?
I too will miss Fletch & Sav, it was often an interesting discussion with a variety of guests.

They seem to have a strong line up for the afternoon to tackle the old boys club of soccer Saturday, good pundits and the refs angle too.
The fantasy league element could be fun, we all play (the official game) at work so it would be nice to keep up.

As for the live football. I feel they've got a much stronger slot now.
From a personal point of view, I normally miss the 12.45 game through being out or watching the racing. 5.30 much better in the winter months.
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Old 04-08-2016, 22:59
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Now that BT Sport got Premier League Coverage. Is it time to start bidding for Football League Games? Can't have both BT & Sky Sports at the same time.
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Old 04-08-2016, 23:02
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BT have had PL games for 3 years already......
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Old 04-08-2016, 23:03
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"Can't have" financially or logistically? There is no technical reason why not.
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Old 04-08-2016, 23:08
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Now that BT Sport got Premier League Coverage. Is it time to start bidding for Football League Games? Can't have both BT & Sky Sports at the same time.
When I said can't have BT & Sky Sports at the same time, it is a matter of affordability.

I'm a VM XL subscriber by the way with BT Sports but without the Sky Sports package, though I do have Sky Sports News.
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Old 04-08-2016, 23:57
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Sky have the Football League for at least another 5 years or so I think so BT bids won't be happening anytime soon
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Old 05-08-2016, 00:25
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Now that BT Sport got Premier League Coverage. Is it time to start bidding for Football League Games? Can't have both BT & Sky Sports at the same time.
If the Football League want more cash they will split the rights into packages and force a bidding war and cash in like the PL ended up doing.

You know that's what the ECB will be doing soon when the next set of Cricket rights go to tender shortly.

It's ironic really that what was originally an EU directive to tackle monopolization of sports rights actually fuelled a monster by opening up a market causing a major war between two broadcasters leading to rapid inflation in the cost of rights and subs and a scramble to buy up any remaining rights that were left on terrestrial TV. Bye Bye ... Champions League, Europa League, F1, Moto GP, IPL, Sunday night NFL and The Open.

Cheers EU, so sad to see you go.
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Old 05-08-2016, 08:07
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If the Football League want more cash they will split the rights into packages and force a bidding war and cash in like the PL ended up doing.

You know that's what the ECB will be doing soon when the next set of Cricket rights go to tender shortly.

It's ironic really that what was originally an EU directive to tackle monopolization of sports rights actually fuelled a monster by opening up a market causing a major war between two broadcasters leading to rapid inflation in the cost of rights and subs and a scramble to buy up any remaining rights that were left on terrestrial TV. Bye Bye ... Champions League, Europa League, F1, Moto GP, IPL, Sunday night NFL and The Open.

Cheers EU, so sad to see you go.
When are the champions league tv rights tender bid due to be submitted got the 2018-2021 cycle ..?

Also does anyone know which broadcasters will be submitting bids ...?
BT sport & Sky sports most probably for sure - what about terrestrial tv..? Will Itv, Bbc, channel 4-5 will be submitting a tender to screen live champions league match on tv..?
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Old 05-08-2016, 08:52
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When are the champions league tv rights tender bid due to be submitted got the 2018-2021 cycle ..?
The previous rights were announced on 9th November 2013. So I'd expect the next tender to be issued very soon.

It's quite strange to think that only a year after BT started showing the Champions League, they could lose it again (albeit with 1.5 seasons or so left to run).
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Old 05-08-2016, 09:15
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The previous rights were announced on 9th November 2013. So I'd expect the next tender to be issued very soon.

It's quite strange to think that only a year after BT started showing the Champions League, they could lose it again (albeit with 1.5 seasons or so left to run).
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Old 05-08-2016, 09:30
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The previous rights were announced on 9th November 2013. So I'd expect the next tender to be issued very soon.
I suspect the ITT will be going out in mid-September after the next meeting of the UEFA Executive Committee in Athens on 15/9. This should offer a formal ratification opportunity for the new competition structure (should there be one) and the tender timeline + approach. I suspect the club representatives via the ECA (is it still called that?!) will get their say in fringe meetings at the draws on 25th August.

The Executive Committee meets again on 9th December - I would guess that all of the major contracts would be let before this date.

All guesswork I'm afraid but feels intuitive.
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Old 05-08-2016, 09:36
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I suspect the ITT will be going out in mid-September after the next meeting of the UEFA Executive Committee in Athens on 15/9. This should offer a formal ratification opportunity for the new competition structure (should there be one)...
There's certainly radical proposals on the table, but whether or not they'll go through now or in 2019 (in time for 2021/22) is another matter.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...d-changes-mean

Basically, the 32 teams that qualify will start with a 2-legged knockout tie, with the winners advancing to two leagues of 8.
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:32
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It's ironic really that what was originally an EU directive to tackle monopolization of sports rights actually fuelled a monster by opening up a market…
How is that ironic? It was the whole purpose of their intervention, to open up competition for rights because no one could afford to compete with Sky for Premier League rights.

Incidentally, the loss of Sunday night NFL is nothing to do with pay TV but that no one wanted it.

It is not clear whether Channel 4 wanted to drop showing the Wembley games, or that the NFL wanted to switch them to the the BBC for the higher profile. But C4 did not want SNF on its own, with the Wembley and Super Bowl on the BBC, so decided not to renew it.

The BBC are not interested in such games either, and ITV and Channel 5 make more money selling that airtime for interactive gaming. Which is why Sky only picked it up at the last minute for a two-year deal (the main contract is five-years) with half the season shown on Sky One. I believe the three 6pm matches on Sky 2 and two on Pick were also part of that deal.
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:08
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How is that ironic? It was the whole purpose of their intervention, to open up competition for rights because no one could afford to compete with Sky for Premier League rights.

Incidentally, the loss of Sunday night NFL is nothing to do with pay TV but that no one wanted it.
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I'll concede to you on the NFL point.

But as to the irony, tackling a monopoly usually leads to more competitive prices for consumers yet in the case of the PL, and sport in general, it's actually increased the prices.

The only cavet is that you do see more sports season ticket deals than we used to and both BT and SKY are offering some free to air sports content.
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:16
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I'll concede to you on the NFL point.

But as to the irony, tackling a monopoly usually leads to more competitive prices for consumers yet in the case of the PL, and sport in general, it's actually increased the prices.

The only cavet is that you do see more sports season ticket deals than we used to and both BT and SKY are offering some free to air sports content.
For the consumer that wants ALL of the sports (like myself) then yes the price has sky rocketed over the last 4 years or so.

However, if you are happy with just some of sports, BTs offering via their own platform doesn't cost a lot if you take their broadband package.

And if you aren't interested in Sports at all it has made the broadband market very competitive with providers like Talk Talk offering free broadband and just a line rental charge.

Its only for idiots like myself who watch a hell of a lot of sport and also feel like they require a decent entertainment package and a fast internet connection that get stung (and that's where bartering for "discount deals" comes into it )
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:43
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Re: Championship & Football League rights.

As a Birmingham City supporter looking forward to a lot of derbies in an increasingly competitive league with the likes of Newcastle, Villa included looks to be an attractive draw compared with an all international (too many foreign players) and less competitive Premier League

But would VM XL & BT subscribers be prepared to part more cash every month to include Sky Sports just to watch the EFL? It's catch 22 to me.

Channel 5 would have done more to include live matches, only to stick with their bland Saturday night highlights package.
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:11
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For the consumer that wants ALL of the sports (like myself) then yes the price has sky rocketed over the last 4 years or so.

However, if you are happy with just some of sports, BTs offering via their own platform doesn't cost a lot if you take their broadband package.

And if you aren't interested in Sports at all it has made the broadband market very competitive with providers like Talk Talk offering free broadband and just a line rental charge.

Its only for idiots like myself who watch a hell of a lot of sport and also feel like they require a decent entertainment package and a fast internet connection that get stung (and that's where bartering for "discount deals" comes into it )
I think the broadband deals would have happened anyway as it's a competitive market regardless.

As as to being a causal sports fan, a few years ago I could get my fix from free to air TV. However now the pickings are slim and will no doubt get worse. To even get a small fix you really need some kind of basic subscription, spend more time in your local pub or be internet savy and watch illegal streams.

You don't have to watch a lot of sport to feel like you are getting stung, ask someone who just follows F1 and MotoGP.
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:27
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I suspect the ITT will be going out in mid-September after the next meeting of the UEFA Executive Committee in Athens on 15/9. This should offer a formal ratification opportunity for the new competition structure (should there be one) and the tender timeline + approach. I suspect the club representatives via the ECA (is it still called that?!) will get their say in fringe meetings at the draws on 25th August.

The Executive Committee meets again on 9th December - I would guess that all of the major contracts would be let before this date.

All guesswork I'm afraid but feels intuitive.
Slightly different but related subject - the UEFA tender for the 2018/2022 Qualifiers + Nations League went out in November 2015 with bids due in by 8 December 2015.

Still no announcement of rights winners - despite media reports in January 2016 of the winners (Qualifiers - ITV/Sky as per now; Nations League - Sky).

So I think the CL may be a bit later this time - especially if the format is still under consideration.
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:34
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Sky have the Football League for at least another 5 years or so I think so BT bids won't be happening anytime soon
3 years actually - until May 2019.

Then there is an option on the 2019/20 season - but it's not Sky's option - it's the FL's option - ie FL has the option to make Sky take it at the option price - but FL can go to tender and sell to winner if they prefer.
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Old 05-08-2016, 17:59
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So I think the CL may be a bit later this time - especially if the format is still under consideration.
Yes I think you may be right. This article in the Telegraph from last week whilst wildly speculative does throw a couple of additional factors in for consideration.

(a) The executive congress in September will be dominated by the selection of the new UEFA President and it's only on the second day of that congress will the discussions on competition format be narrowed down to a recommendation

(b) there will inevitably be some stakeholder engagement and further workup from that point forward to actually create a solid proposal for the future to inform any tender

(c) I suspect it will need another meeting of the Exec (December) to ratify the proposal and only then can a tender document be created for release to bidders

On this basis it looks like Q1 next year would be a more likely decision point for the new rightsholder. All of which is fine for UEFA - they have plenty of fat in the timetable between award and contract commencement right now!
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Old 05-08-2016, 18:15
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A key point will be how money is distributed. If country where tv money comes from keeps more money, less appetite for uefa to sell to highest bidder at expense of terrestrial, vice versa. I presume sponsorship monies have more equal split

Hasten to add been recognised many times how much more important tv revenue is over sponsorship
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