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#1076 |
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Surely this is bad news for Sky, Que Virgin adverts informing the world about FREE BT SPORTS for XL customers.
Sky are about to hit a PR disaster with lots of unhappy Sky World Customers. Sky viewers can still access BT Sport but simply have to subscribe through BT for more than they paid for ESPN and without multiroom. So not too different to the previous ESPN scenario - but annoying. Less likely that many will go to the bother of subscribing to BT Sport as a result. Also Sky Sports has its best and fullest offering on Sky in terms of channels, HD etc. I don't expect the channels for free on Sky - I would just like to obtain them from Sky so I can at least have the multiroom option. if they were a little cheaper than from BT direct so much the better I certainly have no intention of changing broadband to BT just because of BT Sport. |
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What a joke. So we Sky world customers get fobbed off, whilst Virgin get it free. Sort it out Sky.
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Although I guess those 2m people had arguably already taken themselves out of that market by not switching, despite all the advertising about it not being available on Virgin. So now they'll be getting something from Virgin for at least 2m customers that they probably wouldn't have.
Millions of Sky subscribers haven't switched either so by the same logic you might as well offer BT Sport to all Sky subscribers through a wholesale deal with Sky. |
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Doubt it. Virgin previously had FREE ESPN for XL customers so not much has changed and anyone who was likely to change for that is already with Virgin. BT Sport is simply a de facto swap for ESPN with very little extra.
Sky viewers can still access BT Sport but simply have to subscribe through BT for more than they paid for ESPN and without multiroom. So not too different to the previous ESPN scenario - but annoying. Less likely that many will go to the bother of subscribing to BT Sport as a result. Also Sky Sports has its best and fullest offering on Sky in terms of channels, HD etc. I don't expect the channels for free on Sky - I would just like to obtain them from Sky so I can at least have the multiroom option. if they were a little cheaper than from BT direct so much the better I certainly have no intention of changing broadband to BT just because of BT Sport. ESPN gave the impression it was a small setup showing the odd premier league game but mostly US sport, BT Sports give the impression its a British Company offering a host of British sports. BT seems a more attractive package to the average punter than ESPN did. |
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Could Not agree more. VM customers seem to get everything free these days i for one paying sky 80 quid and an extra 12 quid for BT i for one am not impressed. VM takes the p or does this mean that virgin are paying out of their pocket to show the channels for free in the XL pack
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Just because they hadn't switched yet doesn't mean they wouldn't in the future.
Millions of Sky subscribers haven't switched either so by the same logic you might as well offer BT Sport to all Sky subscribers through a wholesale deal with Sky. I might be wrong, but I'd imagine a higher proportion of Sky subscribers subscribe to Sky Sports than VM subscribers, so it may be that they thought the numbers might be more favourable doing what they did with Sky. Someone posted some figures in the cable section, based on potential subscription numbers at £12 a month compared to £2 a month from all XL subscribers. XL subscribers could be worth £4m a month. They'd need around 333k subscribers at £12 a month to match that. They probably weren't the exact figures, but you get the idea. |
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Shrewd bit of business from Virgin Media there. And excellent for both parties that it was resolved just in time for the new Premier League season. I guess we can now adjust those Liverpool v Stoke predictions upwards!! Quote:
I have heard from sources that a wholesale deal with Talktalk TV is likely to be signed very very shortly, making the BT Sport and ESPN channels available to every home television service in the UK.
I know you can get it direct from BT over IPTV if you take their broadband but I read that YouView were looking to do direct deals with broadcasters to enable more channels to be watched over the internet regardless of ISP. |
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Shrewd bit of business from Virgin Media there. And excellent for both parties that it was resolved just in time for the new Premier League season. I guess we can now adjust those Liverpool v Stoke predictions upwards!!
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What about retail YouView?
I know you can get it direct from BT over IPTV if you take their broadband but I read that YouView were looking to do direct deals with broadcasters to enable more channels to be watched over the internet regardless of ISP. |
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Sky is still cheaper than virgin and better channel choice
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Sky is still cheaper than virgin and better channel choice
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Sky is still cheaper than virgin and better channel choice
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Sky should cease to broadcast this greedy company's channels now, it's pretty obvious that these channels only exist to grab Sky broadband customers. XL costs nothing near the full Sky price but Sky customers still have to pay £12 a month and a £15 activation fee?
Sky is the only reason why BT can succeed because of their amount of available subscribers, pull the plug and they'll come back crying when they can only offer the channels on Virgin or their own BT Vision box that nobody wants |
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Sky is still cheaper than virgin and better channel choice
Cheaper. No. Everyone's needs are different and there are many different configurations which favour VM over Sky. And vice versa. There will be a few more today eg Sky customers wanting multiroom for BT Sport may well find VM cheaper! |
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All we need now is for BT to make it into the 21st Century and offer an adequate multi-room service on the UK's biggest pay-TV platform.
Or, perhaps they like being stuck in the '90s... |
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I would have no problem paying sky for bt sport. I just don't want to pay bt for bt sport directly
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With this deal between VM and BT, could it be BT just passed on a very good opportunity to damage one of their tripleplay competitors.
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Could Not agree more. VM customers seem to get everything free these days i for one paying sky 80 quid and an extra 12 quid for BT i for one am not impressed. VM takes the p or does this mean that virgin are paying out of their pocket to show the channels for free in the XL pack
![]() I am a Sky triple-pay customer too before any accuses me of being a VM fan. |
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Could Not agree more. VM customers seem to get everything free these days i for one paying sky 80 quid and an extra 12 quid for BT i for one am not impressed. VM takes the p or does this mean that virgin are paying out of their pocket to show the channels for free in the XL pack
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- Sky Go
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Virgin have their own version of this and at quick glance the "Live Channel" glance looks better. BT Sport is on it for starters which isn't on Sky Go.
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But not available on android
Such a shame Virgin isn't available on my road, their top bundle, or "collection" as they call it would be fantastic for me (especially now Bt Sport is thrown in.) |
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But not available on android and Sky customers with BT Sport get access to the official BT Sports App
More and more people are getting Android devices over poorer iShite devices, it is time that these companies start to get the app to work on all devices not just a pathetic selection. |
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Going to ring BT later and try and get the other Sky box activated since it's multiroom on Virgin - expecting a grand total of zero success, but it's worth a try
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I also believe it is a sensible deal but on the same basis I think a wholesale deal with Sky would also make sense. Unless Sky gave the BT channels away (like Virgin XL - unlikely), or at a significant discount to BT's own standalone price (they might offer at wholesale cost or just above), then BT retain their edge of free channels if you switch broadband to BT whilst those who have no desire to switch to BT anyway from Sky (for broadband or TV) can still access the channels on the simplest basis. Sky also has the biggest base of genuine sports fans.
The more Sky subscribers that BT Sport has access to the more they can push their own broadband offering to whilst still receiving fees in the meantime. And BT You View subscribers would get access to Sky Sports in return. Win win. If BT can act as retailer on the Sky platform, why wouldn't it? The only reason ESPN did a wholesale deal with Sky was to benefit from Sky's marketing and retailing operation and avoid incurring its own customer service plus admin costs. But BT has a massive marketing and customer service operation anyway. And BT wants to act as retailer to sell BT broadband. There is zero chance of BT Sport operating as any kind of "basic channel" on Sky - because the Sky platform has a substantial number of people who will pay the £12 / £15 for BT Sport. A far, far fewer proportion of VM customers would pay £12 / £15 for BT Sport which is why it makes sense to be a basic channel on VM - just as it did for Setanta and ESPN. |
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The only reason ESPN did a wholesale deal with Sky was to benefit from Sky's marketing and retailing operation and avoid incurring its own customer service plus admin costs.
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