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BT Sports Channel (Part 2)
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mlt11
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“ESPN did have to bid for them though - there was a very quick re-auction of the rights and at the time it was reported that an FTA might bid for them to as they'd probably be going cheap. I know C4 were interested but I'm not sure if any FTA bids did materialise - and ESPN won by basically matching Setanta's price.”

They didn't actually match Setanta's price - see post 1173.

However some reports suggested that for 2009/10 only the PL didn't lose out as the shortfall was covered by payments already made for 2009/10 which Setanta forfeited. Whether that was really true or not I don't know - I certainly wouldn't be confident it was.

The reduction in price for 2010/13 was never even revealed until Scudamore let it slip at the 2013/16 auction announcement - though of course nobody spotted it as it would be far too much to expect any journalist to take the trouble to go back and check the numbers.
rj414i
15-08-2013
[Also - regarding pubs - do BT charge them excessive *business* rates so they can show the games like Sky do??[/quote]

Pub down the road -

BT Sports £80 p/m (with loads of beer mats + posters etc)

Sky £250ish p/m (nowt)

Landlord thinking of ditching sky.
derek500
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by rj414i:
“[Also - regarding pubs - do BT charge them excessive *business* rates so they can show the games like Sky do??”

Pub down the road -

BT Sports £80 p/m (with loads of beer mats + posters etc)

Sky £250ish p/m (nowt)

Landlord thinking of ditching sky.[/quote]

Why? All his regular sports viewers will go elsewhere.
RobSmithS
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by rj414i:
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Pub down the road -

BT Sports £80 p/m (with loads of beer mats + posters etc)

Sky £250ish p/m (nowt)

Landlord thinking of ditching sky.”

Doing so would leave him with a considerably less commercially useful sport package however.

Sky is obviously more expensive but just EPL alone Sky has 3 times the games.
promo-only
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Why? All his regular sports viewers will go elsewhere.”

Unless they'd stick around for the free beer mats and posters?
RobSmithS
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by rj414i:
“Pub down the road -

BT Sports £80 p/m (with loads of beer mats + posters etc)

Sky £250ish p/m (nowt)

Landlord thinking of ditching sky.”

Doing so would leave him with a considerably less commercially useful sport package however.

Sky is obviously more expensive but just EPL alone Sky has 3 times the games.
derek500
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by promo-only:
“Unless they'd stick around for the free beer mats and posters? ”

Good point!!
Radiomike
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by rj414i:
“[Also - regarding pubs - do BT charge them excessive *business* rates so they can show the games like Sky do??”

Pub down the road -

BT Sports £80 p/m (with loads of beer mats + posters etc)

Sky £250ish p/m (nowt)

Landlord thinking of ditching sky.[/quote]

Which is fine if he only wants Saturday lunchtime Premier League games and is not bothered about Saturday teatime, Sunday afternoon and Monday night Premier League games, Football league games and Champions League games on Tuesday and Wednesday save for whichever is on ITV on one of those nights.

Sky has 3 times as many EPL games plus those other games so you need to compare like for like.

Let's see whether he goes beyond thinking about it and actually ditches it.
Brekkie
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by RobSmithS:
“Pub down the road -

BT Sports £80 p/m (with loads of beer mats + posters etc)

Sky £250ish p/m (nowt)

Landlord thinking of ditching sky.”

Doing so would leave him with a considerably less commercially useful sport package however.

Sky is obviously more expensive but just EPL alone Sky has 3 times the games.[/quote]
And I'd have thought Saturday evening, all of Sunday afternoon and Monday nights would be of much more use to a pub than just games on Saturday lunchtimes and the odd midweek fixtures.

When you break it down in this case the pub would need to bring in an extra £20-£25 of profit to cover the cost of each match, which I'd have thought they would do quite easily.
RobSmithS
15-08-2013
Unfortunatey something has gone wrong with the quotes stemming perhaps from an extra bracket somewhere in post #1177.
RobSmithS
15-08-2013
But in addition to our criticism of this landlord's apparent dilemma we have not even mentioned the Champions League nights his pub will miss if he does not keep the Sky games.
rj414i
15-08-2013
Suppose if he thinks Sky doesn't bring in enough extra customers to cover the cost then it is not worth it.

It is not a big football area, so the BT Sport with the Aviva rugby might be a better bet.

Football is not the only sport that attracts customers.
wolvesdavid
15-08-2013
Well I have got BT Sports I've enjoyed it.
mavreela
15-08-2013
Originally Posted by rj414i:
“It is not a big football area, so the BT Sport with the Aviva rugby might be a better bet.”

No local interest in the Heineken Cup, Amlin Cup, LV Cup, or autumn internationals?
sheff71
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by RobSmithS:
“But in addition to our criticism of this landlord's apparent dilemma we have not even mentioned the Champions League nights his pub will miss if he does not keep the Sky games.”

They'd only miss one of the two nights per week though, as ITV have the other?

BTSport2 HD on at the moment watching their PL Preview, quite interesting so far, and the PQ is excellent on VM Can't wait to see the return of Danny Baker & Danny Kelly at 6pm tomorrow, although whether HD would be in their favour is another matter

After hearing the good BTS/VM news today, i've been listening to some of their classic shows and podcasts again today, just hope the old magic is still there...!
jamct
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by tomee:
“The ESPN channel were already free befor BT took over the right. So you getting the same just under a different name.XL Pack is not free.”

......well I think you know what I mean. I was not expecting to be able to access BT Sport/ESPN thus missing 38 Premiership footy matches. I can now watch them at no extra cost, so I am now happier today than I was yesterday.

SKY subscribers without BT Broadband have to pay £10, £12 , £15 or whatever?, depending upon the SD or HD option taken.
Radiomike
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by jamct:
“......well I think you know what I mean. I was not expecting to be able to access BT Sport/ESPN thus missing 38 Premiership footy matches. I can now watch them at no extra cost, so I am now happier today than I was yesterday.

SKY subscribers without BT Broadband have to pay £10, £12 , £15 or whatever?, depending upon the SD or HD option taken.”

Same situation as with ESPN previously where Virgin XL customers received it as part of their package but Sky customers had to pay on a standalone basis.

I suppose one possible positive for Sky subscribers is that the Virgin deal might weaken BT's case in terms of their OFCOM complaint seeking to force Sky to wholesale Sky Sports to them without reciprocation. Once you have wholesaled your channels to one platform it is harder to argue that you should be entitled not to wholesale to another but can expect them to wholesale their channels to you.

On another note I signed up online for BT Sport channels at 5.25pm on Thursday but still not activated as at 2.30am. Hoping they manage to connect me today. Not interested in EPL - just want the climax to the baseball season and the College Football season.
Sirius
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by Radiomike:
“Same situation as with ESPN previously where Virgin XL customers received it as part of their package but Sky customers had to pay on a standalone basis.

I suppose one possible positive for Sky subscribers is that the Virgin deal might weaken BT's case in terms of their OFCOM complaint seeking to force Sky to wholesale Sky Sports to them without reciprocation. Once you have wholesaled your channels to one platform it is harder to argue that you should be entitled not to wholesale to another but can expect them to wholesale their channels to you.

On another note I signed up online for BT Sport channels at 5.25pm on Thursday but still not activated as at 2.30am. Hoping they manage to connect me today. Not interested in EPL - just want the climax to the baseball season and the College Football season.”

Why would Sky being in a better position to argue with the regulators a positive for subscribers? Surely you mean shareholders?

Sky don't want to wholesale BT, that's just simply chaff they are throwing up to distract from the fact they are stalling on making Sky Sports available on "fair" terms to all platforms.

Additionally, if they managed to wholesale BT to say EE+ subscribers on the same terms as Virgin Media XL then BTS could well be loss making in the longer term.
jamct
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by Radiomike:
“Same situation as with ESPN previously where Virgin XL customers received it as part of their package but Sky customers had to pay on a standalone basis.”

As wasn't sure of that so thanks for your input.

Enjoy the channels, I know I will. Ciao for now.
RobSmithS
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by sheff71:
“They'd only miss one of the two nights per week though, as ITV have the other?

BTSport2 HD on at the moment watching their PL Preview, quite interesting so far, and the PQ is excellent on VM Can't wait to see the return of Danny Baker & Danny Kelly at 6pm tomorrow, although whether HD would be in their favour is another matter

After hearing the good BTS/VM news today, i've been listening to some of their classic shows and podcasts again today, just hope the old magic is still there...!”

ITV have one game on one night and as I'm sure we both know it is the top pick that week also. That leaves the other 15 games per group round each week and so forth onward during the rest of the tournament.

But with BT being about 1/3 of the price of Sky for commercial premises is it about 1/3 of the use? If it is one or the other BT or Sky - ultimately that's the balance.

If BT Sport with Aviva is the better bet (for "not a big football area") then ditching Sky leaves his pub without the Sky RU internationals and (also certainly this year) all the HC+other club cup coverage...
Jaycee Dove
16-08-2013
This move by BT/Virgin means that Sky have now made a terrible marketing decision this month. Do we think this is why BT relented over VM? It embarrasses the hell out of Sky and really makes next summer interesting.

You see Sky have just chosen to put the maximum possible price rise (10%) on their multiroom package. At the same time this was decreasing in value as ESPN was taken off it. Now by BT allowing multiroom for free on Virgin they have created a scenario where all Sky multiroom customers (if they have anything about them) are going to be cancelling or demanding some kind of deal.

It really puts a lot of pressure on Sky. Very clever of BT.

As we have BT broadband our Sky bill is going down substantially as we do not have to pay for ESPN any more and we get BT Sports in HD for free. But even so I feel peeved about losing value from multiroom at the time they are bleeding customers dry by this huge price hike.

All the Sky customers not with BT broadband but with multiroom are going to be even madder. Because they have to pay more to replace ESPN with BT Sports and get the multiroom whopper rise whilst losing ESPN channels from that service.

Many people will likely have locked into deals with Sky or BT for 12 months as the season starts tomorrow and the HD free deal with BT ran out a fortnight ago. But come next summer when renewals for the second year are up for grabs Sky now look like a far less good deal than they did compared with Virgin XL (if you can get it, of course).

So it will create some flow away from Sky if they fail to respond as charging for both HD and multiroom atop a big charge for BT Sports looks like a big drawback compared with Virgin XL offering HD and BT Sports for free.

Yes, there are differences (less channels, higher basic prices on Virgin etc)....but if you want HD and BT Sports and it appears to be £25 pm cheaper via Virgin than Sky then it is bound to force defections in Virgin enabled areas.

Moreover, those unable to access Virgin will now almost certainly have the option of moving BB to BT and getting BT Sports in HD for free (I bet that £3 HD sub is given a hiatus if you renew with BT or move to BT from Sky for a limited period next summer now that Virgin will be offering BT Sports HD for free.

All ways up here Sky are the big loser and they have to know it,

There are some things in the offing from Sky (eg planner sharing) which might help. But I think we absolutely must now see some big shift from Sky over their Sky World and multiroom deals because they now appear (rightly or wrongly) as poor value.

Free HD / or multiroom if you take Sky's top tier now looks an almost certainty I would think (though they may tie one or both to also having Sky BB).

But it is bad news for Sky's customers in the immediate present and - I suspect - good news in the long run as BTs actions with Virgin here simply have to drive a downward price move from Sky or they face quite a drift of customers both now (from those yet to make a decision) and next summer (from those who already did but will go elsewhere for better deals as soon as it makes economic sense for them to do so).
coventrywooo
16-08-2013
so tomorrow on BT sports at 3pm, is BT sport Live and lasts for over 2 hours.. isthis gonna be like Final score and Soccer Saturday or dont we know...
Ian Cleverly
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by Sportbusiness:
“UK pay-television broadcaster BT Sport has agreed a three-year deal with English Premier League team Manchester City to become an official partner of the football club. Under the terms of the agreement, customers of BT Sport will be able to access behind-the-scenes content at the club, as well as player and staff interviews.

In addition, BT Sport will also work with Manchester City TV, the club’s internal television service, to launch the new BT City Square matchday initiative. Located outside the club’s Etihad Stadium, the renamed area is designed to give fans a better match day experience before and after games.”

From Here
bottleofbest
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by Ian Cleverly:
“From Here”

I don't really understand what this means to be honest. Does it mean that they have exclusive access to the players/managers?
RobSmithS
16-08-2013
Couple of news items on BT Sport.


BT Sport is now an official partner of Manchester City*:

http://www.cable.co.uk/news/bt-sport...ity-801625989/

http://home.bt.com/news/btlife/bt-sp...11363825447967

Daily Mail article: "BT Sport's emergence to rival Sky means armchair fans have never had it so good" includes a few words about MotD as well as Sky:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ague-fans-good

*sorry posted the above at pretty much the same time
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