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Couple of news items on BT Sport.
BT Sport is now an official partner of Manchester City*: http://www.cable.co.uk/news/bt-sport...ity-801625989/ Bad move by BT, being perceived to ally to *any one* of the big clubs IMO, especially if it isn't the biggest (in audience terms). Learn to understand your audience, BT - perception is everything. |
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Sky don't want to wholesale BT, that's just simply chaff they are throwing up to distract from the fact they are stalling on making Sky Sports available on "fair" terms to all platforms.
Additionally, if they managed to wholesale BT to say EE+ subscribers on the same terms as Virgin Media XL then BTS could well be loss making in the longer term. Because BT is wholesaling BTS to VM as a basic channel some people are thinking that when Sky says they want to wholesale BTS that they would also want to do it as a basic channel. That would be totally absurd for both Sky and BTS (as we know). However, Sky presumably would be happy to purchase BTS wholesale as a standalone premium channel. Sky purchased ESPN wholesale as a standalone premium; there is no reason why it wouldn't be happy to purchase BTS wholesale as a standalone premium (and take a retailer's commission). Indeed, BT is complaining that Sky won't wholesale Sky Sports to BT YouView but BT isn't dreaming of Sky wholesaling Sky Sports to it as a basic channel (!!!!!!!!!!) BT knows that Sky Sports would obviously be a standalone premium - just as it is on VM, TalkTalk and indeed on BT Vision. Thus various people's attempts to draw a parallel between the two situations does not make any sense. Wholesaling as a basic channel is a completely different matter to wholesaling as a standalone premium. There may be some merit in an argument along the lines that if BT won't wholesale BTS to Sky (as a standalone premium) then there is no reason why Sky should wholesale Sky Sports to BT YouView (as a standalone premium). I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that - but it's certainly an argument with some logic that could be sensibly debated. But bringing the issue of BT wholesaling BTS to VM into the argument makes no sense whatsoever - because it is being wholesaled as a basic channel. |
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any soccer am type shows on bt sport? whats the one with tim lovejoy?
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This move by BT/Virgin means that Sky have now made a terrible marketing decision this month. Do we think this is why BT relented over VM? It embarrasses the hell out of Sky and really makes next summer interesting.
You see Sky have just chosen to put the maximum possible price rise (10%) on their multiroom package............... 25% of Sky customers have multi-room. So the number who took both would be around 2.5% (ie 25% of the 10%). It will be similar for BTS - it is hardly a big deal for Sky. 2.5% of subscribers being affected by the issue doesn't warrant changing the overall pricing policy across the whole subscriber base. And it isn't even a problem for all of the those 2.5% - eg many will tell their kids to watch on the 2nd set whilst they watch BTS on the main set. So it's only actually a problem for a subset of the 2.5%. |
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10% of Sky customers bought ESPN.
25% of Sky customers have multi-room. So the number who took both would around 2.5%. |
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Eh? It could be anywhere between 0% and 10%. No way to know without more details.
There may be a very slight skew - but certainly not a significant one - because the two issues are not correlated - there is no reason why wanting multiroom should have an impact on whether or not you are interested in premium sport. Where multiroom obviously would skew is towards people with kids and away from single people. But no reason for those groups to be significantly more or less interested in premium sport. If anything, I would say single people are a bit more likely to be interested in premium sport and families a bit less likely. So if anything the number would actually be marginally below 2.5%. But it would still be very close to 2.5%. |
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Im not sure if this is just anecdotal, but I was watching the cricket on BT sport HD on virgin in the early hours, and the picture quality was great. I for one am over the moon this move has been made by virgin. A lot of people are for or against them but I think the service is good.
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any soccer am type shows on bt sport? whats the one with tim lovejoy?
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Sorry to ask if it's already been answered, but couldn't find a resolution to the discussion from 10 days ago or so.
Did BT offer any kind of simultaneous screening for their French coverage last weekend? Been away on holiday so keen to know what happened here - their initial press release suggested that they would be showing every game live and in HD from France, Brazil, MLS and Brazil. Can't seem to find any details online. |
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Well there seem to be quite a few Sky multiroom customers on here upset by the news that they are paying the biggest percentage increase (10%) in the current price rise deal - so in effect subsidising the high cost of the new PL rights - and yet are experiencing a drop in service by not getting multiroom on some of those rights. And, yes, I know that ESPN was a different company and BT is not part of Sky, but most people judge as being 'Sky' what they get through their Sky box - so they will not be viewing it as someone elses fault.
Perception counts for a lot I suspect. And whilst this may not be Sky's fault you cannot argue with what looks like a Sky subscriber paying way more pm to watch what was ESPN in the past and not even getting that replacement package at extra cost on your multiroom box as you did before. Whereas Virgin customers get this and get it 'free'. As the people with multiroom and paying the add on sports are (???) the ones with top end Sky packages (I assume multiroom is less useful if you only have a few channels?) - then Sky risk alienating their biggest earning customers. So even if that is only 1 in 40, if it is 1 in 40 of large monthly income subscribers it might not be a wise move. |
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Well there seem to be quite a few Sky multiroom customers on here upset by the news that they are paying the biggest percentage increase (10%) in the current price rise deal - so in effect subsidising the high cost of the new PL rights - and yet are experiencing a drop in service by not getting multiroom on some of those rights. And, yes, I know that ESPN was a different company and BT is not part of Sky, but most people judge as being 'Sky' what they get through their Sky box - so they will not be viewing it as someone elses fault.
Perception counts for a lot I suspect. And whilst this may not be Sky's fault you cannot argue with what looks like a Sky subscriber paying way more pm to watch what was ESPN in the past and not even getting that replacement package at extra cost on your multiroom box as you did before. Whereas Virgin customers get this and get it 'free'. As the people with multiroom and paying the add on sports are (???) the ones with top end Sky packages (I assume multiroom is less useful if you only have a few channels?) - then Sky risk alienating their biggest earning customers. So even if that is only 1 in 40, if it is 1 in 40 of large monthly income subscribers it might not be a wise move. Not Sky's problem or fault and most people will blame BT. |
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As wasn't sure of that so thanks for your input.
Enjoy the channels, I know I will. Ciao for now. ![]()
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Yes, Tim Lovejoy and Matt Dawson have a programme called BT Sports Panel on Saturday mornings from 9:30 to 11:30. This strikes me as a Soccer AM type show.
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This move by BT/Virgin means that Sky have now made a terrible marketing decision this month. Do we think this is why BT relented over VM? It embarrasses the hell out of Sky and really makes next summer interesting.
You see Sky have just chosen to put the maximum possible price rise (10%) on their multiroom package. At the same time this was decreasing in value as ESPN was taken off it. Now by BT allowing multiroom for free on Virgin they have created a scenario where all Sky multiroom customers (if they have anything about them) are going to be cancelling or demanding some kind of deal. It really puts a lot of pressure on Sky. Very clever of BT. As we have BT broadband our Sky bill is going down substantially as we do not have to pay for ESPN any more and we get BT Sports in HD for free. But even so I feel peeved about losing value from multiroom at the time they are bleeding customers dry by this huge price hike. All the Sky customers not with BT broadband but with multiroom are going to be even madder. Because they have to pay more to replace ESPN with BT Sports and get the multiroom whopper rise whilst losing ESPN channels from that service. Many people will likely have locked into deals with Sky or BT for 12 months as the season starts tomorrow and the HD free deal with BT ran out a fortnight ago. But come next summer when renewals for the second year are up for grabs Sky now look like a far less good deal than they did compared with Virgin XL (if you can get it, of course). So it will create some flow away from Sky if they fail to respond as charging for both HD and multiroom atop a big charge for BT Sports looks like a big drawback compared with Virgin XL offering HD and BT Sports for free. Yes, there are differences (less channels, higher basic prices on Virgin etc)....but if you want HD and BT Sports and it appears to be £25 pm cheaper via Virgin than Sky then it is bound to force defections in Virgin enabled areas. Moreover, those unable to access Virgin will now almost certainly have the option of moving BB to BT and getting BT Sports in HD for free (I bet that £3 HD sub is given a hiatus if you renew with BT or move to BT from Sky for a limited period next summer now that Virgin will be offering BT Sports HD for free. All ways up here Sky are the big loser and they have to know it, There are some things in the offing from Sky (eg planner sharing) which might help. But I think we absolutely must now see some big shift from Sky over their Sky World and multiroom deals because they now appear (rightly or wrongly) as poor value. Free HD / or multiroom if you take Sky's top tier now looks an almost certainty I would think (though they may tie one or both to also having Sky BB). But it is bad news for Sky's customers in the immediate present and - I suspect - good news in the long run as BTs actions with Virgin here simply have to drive a downward price move from Sky or they face quite a drift of customers both now (from those yet to make a decision) and next summer (from those who already did but will go elsewhere for better deals as soon as it makes economic sense for them to do so). I suspect your views are coloured by the problems you have had with BT and you would like anyone to sort them out - BT or Sky. However, I think you are overstating the effects of the current scenario based on your own frustration. Bear in mind that only around 10% of Sky subscribers had the old ESPN in the first place. And why should anyone getting free channels from BT expect to get them on multiroom free from Sky. They are NOT part of your Sky subscription or FTA. |
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Yes, Tim Lovejoy and Matt Dawson have a programme called BT Sports Panel on Saturday mornings from 9:30 to 11:30. This strikes me as a Soccer AM type show.
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Great to see the two Dans back together - well done BTS
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And The Guardian still doesn't have a clue how many VM XL homes there are. Utterly hopeless. 1.8m, not 3m. BTS is now in approx 3m homes, including VM XL. ie The 1m specific sign-ups (as of last weekend, so will now be higher - probably around 1.2m) plus the 1.8m VM XL. The Guardian would have been better off just simply printing what the BT press release said word for word. Of course they know that would look ridiculous so they try and reword it in their own words - and in the process manage to get it wrong. |
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The Guardian would have been better off just simply printing what the BT press release said word for word. Of course they know that would look ridiculous so they try and reword it in their own words - and in the process manage to get it wrong.
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BSkyB does not reveal how many pub and club customers take its sports feed, but it is thought to be tens of thousands.
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Every day, Sky Sports channels are broadcast with a separate advertising feed into nearly 40,000 pubs and clubs across the UK. This means advertisers can specifically target viewers in the out of home environment. Sky Pub Sports provides advertisers the opportunity to reach a young male audience in a social group environment. On average, around 33% of Sky Sports viewing takes place out of home, reaching around 3 million adults a week, 71% of which don't have access to Sky Sports at home.
http://www.skymedia.co.uk/Advertisin...and-clubs.aspx
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Pedro Pinto is a great addition to BT!
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Pedro Pinto is a great addition to BT!
Edit: Have to admit I got a laugh out of the other presenter (forget his name) going "I want to take you back to 1992 gentlemen, when I had one chin..."
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I have watched a fair bit of the BT Sport channels this evening - a quality evening of French sport as I was flicked between the opening game of the Top 14 rugby season on BS1 and a very watchable Sochaux v Lyon game from Ligue 1 on ESPN, with the latter holding my attention for longer (the French league gets a bad rap for being low scoring but I've tended to find most of the live games I've seen to have been of good quality, this match was certainly no exception).
Like Callum I really rate the addition of Pedro Pinto, a mutli-lingual Portuguese sports journalist who you might know from his work presenting UEFA's Champions League and Europa League draws. He also reads the sports bulletins on CNN and has been talkSPORT's Portuguese football expert for many years. That said, it's a bit of a strange presenting combo to see him paired with former BBC Breakfast host Chris Hollins who I'm afraid has always come across to me as a bit of a lightweight. I enjoyed the debut edition of Baker & Kelly's VSPO before the live sport, as a fan of both Danny's radio work but having only heard them individually in recent years it was good to see them reunited. Not everything they attempted worked that well (the tarot card segment didn't really do it for me, although I liked hearing Danny Kelly discussing the FA Cup extra preliminary round while waiting for their toasters to deliver their prediction of tomorrow's early Premier League game) but on the whole it was good fun and you could see they were enjoying themselves. I'll certainly be watching their show again. |
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Just put BT Sport Live on and saw his name pop up on the info bar at the start - haven't seen much that he's presented before, but he seems more confident / natural in this sort of presenting role than some of the other presenters they've had for BT Sport Live so far.
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From Sky's Media website:- Quote:
Sky Sports channels are broadcast with a separate advertising feed into nearly 40,000 pubs and clubs across the UK.
http://www.skymedia.co.uk/Advertisin...and-clubs.aspxFrom Guardian article: Quote:
There are about 75,000 pubs and clubs in Britain.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...w-virgin-mediaIs Sky Sports really in over half (53%) of all the pubs and clubs in Britain? |
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From Guardian article:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...w-virgin-media Is Sky Sports really in over half (53%) of all the pubs and clubs in Britain? But is the 75,000 figure actually correct? We've already identified two major glaring errors in the article - who is to say there isn't another one? I wouldn't pretend to know how many pubs and clubs there are in the UK but I wonder if there is a problem around the definition of a "club"? ie: Sky Sports is in a lot of golf clubs - which will be counted in the 40,000. However would golf clubs be counted in the number of "pubs and clubs" in the UK? I suspect maybe, indeed probably, not. If someone said the phrase "pubs and clubs" I wouldn't automatically think they would be counting golf clubs. So immediately there is the possibility of a mismatch. |
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