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"Analysts said the numbers were respectable given the newness of BT’s platform and the fact that only slightly more viewers watched an equivalent game shown by Sky last season".
It's totally absurd to compare the ratings for a Liverpool game to the ratings for Swansea v West Ham. |
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How many of the 1m sign-ups don't have Sky or BT TV?
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I think there may be errors in that FT article.
For starters the match average was 629,000. The 441,000 figure looks suspiciously like the programme average which was previously reported as 447,000. It may have changed slightly due to "tape-checking". The % splits also look very odd. I know the % figures are referring to different things - ie one to the 441,000 and one to the 629,000 but the % splits of each must be very, very similar. If 43% are VM, that implies 57% are other platforms. But if 51% are BT customers watching for free that implies the other platform viewers split 51:6 as none (or certainly almost none) of the BT can be VM. That 51:6 split simply cannot be right. So I'm afraid it looks as if the FT article doesn't stand up. EDIT: Is it actually the other way round - ie paying BT subscribers are people paying the £12? That would still imply a 51:6 split but the other way round - ie 51 paying : 6 watching for free? That still doesn't look right - BT said that the majority of the 1m sign-ups were free customers though we would expect people paying to be more likely to watch. So I would expect the non-VM to split at least roughly 50:50 between paying and free - it simply can't be 8:1 either way. EDIT 2: I suspect the 441,000 splits 225,000 specific orders (whether paying or free), 216,000 VM. That would make sense - implying VM are 49% of the 441,000 which would be reasonable (and close to the 43% quoted above). EDIT 3: I think it's most likely that it is the specific orders that actually split 51:49 pay/free (or vice-versa)!!!! Gives: VM: 43% BT Free: 29% BT Pay: 28% |
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BT free=51% of 57%?
Gives: VM: 43% BT Free: 29% BT Pay: 28% |
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We don't know but I would think a very small proportion - ie well under 10%, probably under 5%.
Their via TV audience is 'hundreds of thousands'. |
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After all the discussion over whether BT should have chosen Arsenal v Aston Villa instead of Liverpool v Stoke the irony is that Setanta were the ones to select Arsenal v Liverpool as their opening 3 pm KO on Setanta Ireland.
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Having signed up a few weeks back I decided today that, as I watch most of my sport on the upstairs TV, I would get it changed from the downstairs SKY box.
I did know about not being able to have BT Sports on a multi room package and both boxes. Well, for some bizarre reason, I now have BT Sports upstairs and downstairs. Praise the Lord for the multi room package! Earlier in the thread you will see that BT put ours on the wrong box, blaming Sky for this. If it works full time for you I will call BT and ask them to switch boxes. Knowing our luck with BT so far though it will probably disappear from both boxes then if we do, |
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But according to the FT article BT expects hundreds of thousands to watch via the app. Surely the majority of those are the BB customers without Sky or BT Vision/YouView.
Their via TV audience is 'hundreds of thousands'.
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I view at least 50% via the app even though I am both a Sky and BT customer. The app enables me to watch what I like while the rest of the family watches TV
![]() But the article was specifically about the Saturday lunchtime Premier League match. I don't expect much family competition for the main TV in that time slot. |
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I do that with Sky Go, often watching two Sky Sports channels at the same time.
But the article was specifically about the Saturday lunchtime Premier League match. I don't expect much family competition for the main TV in that time slot.
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That's true.....but the app still enables me to watch on the iPad while I'm supposedly making lunch or whatever!
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When my wife wants to watch her beloved Spurs, she fits the catering around the match!!
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After all the discussion over whether BT should have chosen Arsenal v Aston Villa instead of Liverpool v Stoke the irony is that Setanta were the ones to select Arsenal v Liverpool as their opening 3 pm KO on Setanta Ireland.
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Probably not the appropriate thread to be asking this (if so, sorry) but here goes:
Does anyone know for certain if this gizmo will run the BT Sport app? |
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Incidentally after reading Jake Humphrey's twitter it looks like even he went for Monday Night Football's analysis on Sky over BT Sport's Monday review (which I thought was pretty good but definitely at the wrong time.)
(On the subject of Monday Night Football and twitter, I like how much of a fuss Richard Keys seems to be making over Gary Neville's comment to Jamie Carragher last night...) |
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(On the subject of Monday Night Football and twitter, I like how much of a fuss Richard Keys seems to be making over Gary Neville's comment to Jamie Carragher last night...)
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I was quite confused tonight that Mark Halsey said Anthony Taylor gave the 2nd Aston Villa penalty because he couldn't see from his position that the Arsenal defender won the ball, that the assistant should have helped him but that the referee somehow actually made the right decision?!
I also find that Darren Fletcher tends to take a bit too long asking questions (though I do like him) so it all becomes a bit long-winded and sometimes the question isn't specific enough to get an appropriate answer. I sense that Halsey hasn't been given enough direction/training as to what BT are looking for from him. He seems to not quite know when he can speak, a bit like on BT live today when he barely said anything when Fletcher said 'lots to talk about tonight Mark' but then when Fletcher had finished the referee segment Halsey suddenly started speaking as Fletcher had handed on to the next item. I still think BT could get a bit more use from their studio pitch. Just doesn't seem to be confident and really seems to give as short an explanation as he can. We all keep saying early days but I only hope he will improve. |
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Was that the Burgular comment? To be hones I thought that was very funny lol and terrific banter. But can understand why Keys is bitter about it.
Also interesting that his 'smash it' comment was directly after Redknapp was saying stuff about Key's daughter and missus. Basically, he has done well to keep quiet about it but it confirms 100% he was shafted by Sky. People who slate him don't really understand that one of his best mates was sacked from his dream job for 'having a laugh' which in turn made him suicidal. Not good really. But they came through the other side thankfully. Saying that, how fantastic would Sky be if they had Andy Gray and Gary Neville. Oh well, what might have been. |
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On the subject of Mark Halsey after watching him last night he really does seem to be struggling in front of the camera's.
Just doesn't seem to be confident and really seems to give as short an explanation as he can. We all keep saying early days but I only hope he will improve. The hand he was holding the mic in was visibly shaking and he didn't look at all comfortable. In addition to his nerves (which affected his delivery of insight during the game) he isn't being utilised particularly well by BT in my opinion. I feel that there is a gap in the market so to speak for a ref to be involved in matchday coverage, but I'm not convinced that BT have used him too well so far. Having said that, I've got no suggestions as to how he should be used! |
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I only watched his pre-match interview from Saturday today, and felt so sorry for him.
The hand he was holding the mic in was visibly shaking and he didn't look at all comfortable. In addition to his nerves (which affected his delivery of insight during the game) he isn't being utilised particularly well by BT in my opinion. I feel that there is a gap in the market so to speak for a ref to be involved in matchday coverage, but I'm not convinced that BT have used him too well so far. Having said that, I've got no suggestions as to how he should be used! Point is if there isn't a decision on the pitch which he has to try and answer what can he do? During the game I think they got it about right and Ian Darke did try and bring him in when the situation arose. |
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The hand he was holding the mic in was visibly shaking and he didn't look at all comfortable. In addition to his nerves (which affected his delivery of insight during the game) he isn't being utilised particularly well by BT in my opinion.
I feel that there is a gap in the market so to speak for a ref to be involved in matchday coverage, but I'm not convinced that BT have used him too well so far. Having said that, I've got no suggestions as to how he should be used! It might have been easier if he'd been in the studio with the pundits, I know he gets a better view from the commentary box but they got the views from Tony Pulis during the game and it didn't seem intrusive. That would also give him more of a chance to work out what he wants to say rather than continually being brought in for the sake of it because he's there. |
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The BT executives are probably pleased with their first Premiership match although the last minute deal with Virgin Media no doubt helped to significantly boost viewer numbers.
One of the interesting things is how well BT will do at getting their channels into pubs and clubs and they appear to have had a promising start there as well although the package cost being a quarter of Sky's will have certainly have helped things (£400 a month as opposed to £1,600 a month ). Although some custom will come from pubs that used to subscribe to Sky, I suspect that they'll get new subscribers from pubs that haven't previously bought in sports TV.The first live Premier League football match shown by BT was watched by a peak audience of 764,000 viewers, marking a respectable start to its attempt to challenge Sky’s 20-year dominance of live sports in the UK...The game attracted the peak viewing audience of 764,000, and a match average of 629,000, according to figures compiled by Barb, the official source of TV viewing figures in the UK. This was more than the 713,000 who watched ESPN’s opening game of last season between Newcastle and Tottenham. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7cf028d8-0...#axzz2cY4UdozR BT Sport had signed up more than 10,000 pubs, clubs, betting shops, hotels and other commercial premises by the time the Barclays Premier League season got under way on Saturday August 17th. The broadcaster says its new offering - which includes live top-flight football and rugby union - enables the typical independent pub to save 76 per cent compared to Sky Sports..."We are particularly delighted that this includes brand new commercial customers for premium sports who have historically been unable to afford Sky’s high prices.” http://www.uswitch.com/broadband/new...pubs_and_bars/ |
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Also interesting that his 'smash it' comment was directly after Redknapp was saying stuff about Key's daughter and missus. .
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The Times review of Saturday's coverage. Quote:
Was this the start of a new football season? Or were we present at the dawn of television itself? “These are LIVE shots from Anfield,” breathed an amazed Jake Humphrey as the miracle of moving pictures cohered behind him on the walls of BT Sport’s shopping-centre studio. “Look at these.” A blimp hovered over an empty football ground. The British weather obligingly spattered the camera lens with rain. “What’s it like in that city ahead of a new season?” Humphrey asked, undeterred. “It’s absolutely crazy,” Steve McManaman attested.
This was after Primal Scream had blessed the occasion by performing Come Together, BT Sport’s chosen anthem. “I’m free, you’re free,” Bobby Gillespie sang. “Though only to existing BT Broadband customers who are prepared to renew their contract for a further 12 months,” he somehow neglected to add. Primal Scream are the perfect band for BT Sport, being about 98 per cent derivative. No shame in that, of course. It’s just that, even as your foot taps, you can’t quite shake off the feeling that all this was done, slightly more excitingly, by other people a long time ago. Half-time on this self-described “revolutionary” channel was four blokes at a desk, the usual replays and the professionally unsmiling Owen Hargreaves saying: “He’ll be disappointed that he hasn’t done better.” Then it was back to Anfield and David James, standing beside the pitch and rambling on until Ray Stubbs, realising he was going nowhere, loudly stopped him. There was no containing Humphrey, though. “What a reintroduction to the Premier League . . . What a great start . . . It’s been great, hasn’t it? A great start to the season . . . ” The nadir was reached when Humphrey attempted to channel his enthusiasm for 45 minutes of Liverpool v Stoke into a trail for BT Sport’s next match. “If that game is anything to go by, it’s going to be pretty special.” The notion that anything can be inferred about the likely entertainment value of Fulham v Arsenal from the quality of a match played a week earlier by two other teams is not one that can be sensibly entertained, except by someone being paid to sell football, and selling it too hard. Innovation seemed to have been largely limited to the on-screen positioning of the logo and the clock. Other broadcasters go top; BT Sport has gone bottom. It’s the biggest risk they have taken. The most obvious opportunity to be properly revolutionary has been spurned: there are no women anywhere. On the plus side, a touchingly nervous Mark Halsey comes in to give a former referee’s view, although, as with goalline technology, the story of the season could be how infrequently we genuinely need to hear from him. Meanwhile, a man in purple trousers has been employed to sit at a computer screen and monitor unspecified “social media” for “positivity” or “negativity”, about, say, Arsenal, represented as percentages — thus reducing the pop and crackle of instant messaging to a dull High Street poll. Otherwise, it’s screeds and screeds of by-the-yard punditry with Tony Pulis agreeing with Humphrey that this is “a massive season for Liverpool”. But what other kind of season is there nowadays? The arrival of BT Sport has raised the temperature across the board. The heat could be felt on Sunday in Niall Quinn’s suggestion that Roberto Soldado’s goal for Tottenham was “a fantastic penalty”, rather than just a penalty. And it could be felt, emphatically, in Sky Sports’ new Saturday Night Football output, which has drafted a Top Gear-style live audience, who chiefly stand around in the gloom but occasionally whoop to order. What this adds is hard to calculate, beyond an extra flush on the faces of the presenters and a rise in the volume and pitch of their voices. It’s the channel’s worst idea in 20 years. You would suppose all this spelt doom for the BBC’s Match of the Day. With its crusty adherence to highlights, its careful antipathy to giant touchscreens and honking onlookers, MOTD is dial-up in a wi-fi world — a horse brass in the window of Carphone Warehouse. And yet, at the same time, it is open to the truth, well understood by supporters, that football doesn’t exist in a permanent shower of sponsored fireworks but is very often, on the contrary, an exercise in frustration and even misery. Accordingly, the show finds room to be unfashionably proportionate in its reactions and wouldn’t dream of drawing an unstable link between a solitary Daniel Sturridge goal at Anfield and the likelihood that Fulham v Arsenal this Saturday will be a cracker. On Saturday, one watched with growing relief as Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Danny Murphy said mostly sensible things about stuff that had actually happened. It felt like a refuge — perhaps even the only sane place left. |
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The Times review of Saturday's coverage.
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). Although some custom will come from pubs that used to subscribe to Sky, I suspect that they'll get new subscribers from pubs that haven't previously bought in sports TV.