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BT Sports Channel (Part 2)
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IanFergus
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by Radiomike:
“Sums it all up nicely in my opinion. ”

Let me understand this. The Times (owned by Rupert murdoch) is negative about BT Sport (unlike Sky Sports, not owned by Rupert Murdoch). Tricky.
mogzyboy
21-08-2013
That Times article is exactly how I felt about the weekend's coverage. Very well said.
blueisthecolour
21-08-2013
I really enjoyed the Liverpool game. I was watching it in a pub so didn't really pay any attention to the build up or commentary but the game was exciting at least

Fulham v Arsenal should be good as well with Jol seemingly making good progress and Wenger edging closer to the first serious threat to his job.

BT/Sky/ITV/BBC/Channel 5 - to be honest i've never really cared what channel was showing the football. I don't think much of Chiles but I've never been that bothered with match build up or analyst. It's rare you'll hear anything other than the usual cliches and 'say-what-you-see' comments.
mogzyboy
21-08-2013
I must say that it's the incessant use of hyperbole by Sky (and, from early evidence, BT too) that annoys me. In most cases, it just builds stuff up to be a letdown. OK, that Liverpool game, as 1-0s go, was good. However, it probably wasn't as good as BT would've had you believe.

I get that both parties have to try and win subscribers, but the vast majority of people who are watching any given game are those that don't need to be sold to - ie. have already signed up.

For all the flack that Chiles gets on ITV (and rightly so - he's dire in the main), at least he'll happily criticise a dull game. You'll rarely get that on Sky.

I, along with everybody on here I would think, would appreciate the honesty a bit more than the overhype.

Having said all that... I'll let BT off as it was their first PL game and all that. Plus, there are bigger issues for BT to deal with, such as their less-than-adequate choice of pundits (and I don't think there are any exceptions to that rule). Or, maybe it's just that Neville is so good now that that's what we expect from everybody.
constantlybored
21-08-2013
I think the coverage itself is much better for the football than either Sky is or ESPN was. However, in the past 2 days, I have seen 'Serie A Season Preview' 4 times. There is not enough programme depth, likely due to the effort put into certain programmes.
bluesdiamond
21-08-2013
Where can I find a schedule for BT Sports?
casinoman13
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by IanFergus:
“Let me understand this. The Times (owned by Rupert murdoch) is negative about BT Sport (unlike Sky Sports, not owned by Rupert Murdoch). Tricky.”

Just read it and have to agree....rather one sided to say the least.

Certain parts I do agree with but you can tell the rather positive exposure to Sky.
mogzyboy
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Just read it and have to agree....rather one sided to say the least.

Certain parts I do agree with but you can tell the rather positive exposure to Sky.”

Ah, so a little dig at Niall Quinn, along with the criticism of SNF, is 'positive exposure' now? Wow, my grasp of the English language isn't quite what I thought it was...

Ultimately, BT's promises of being different and all that nonsense put them up there to be shot at. What we see, in reality, isn't very different do their well-established competition.
mlt11
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“Ah, so a little dig at Niall Quinn, along with the criticism of SNF, is 'positive exposure' now? Wow, my grasp of the English language isn't quite what I thought it was...”

Indeed. It said that SNF was Sky Sports' "worst idea in 20 years" !!!!!!!
casinoman13
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“Ah, so a little dig at Niall Quinn, along with the criticism of SNF, is 'positive exposure' now? Wow, my grasp of the English language isn't quite what I thought it was...

Ultimately, BT's promises of being different and all that nonsense put them up there to be shot at. What we see, in reality, isn't very different do their well-established competition.”

Wow sarcasm at it's very best
mogzyboy
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Indeed. It said that SNF was Sky Sports' "worst idea in 20 years" !!!!!!!”

It does!!

I'm wracking my brains for a worse Sky Sports idea now.

Perhaps giving Hawthorne the 2005 CL Final only manages to make it to Number 2...
mogzyboy
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Wow sarcasm at it's very best ”

The tone of the piece is pretty sarcastic if you ask me - not overly biased towards either broadcaster.

I happen to agree with most of it.
Readingfan
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“It does!!

I'm wracking my brains for a worse Sky Sports idea now.

Perhaps giving Hawthorne the 2005 CL Final only manages to make it to Number 2...”

Two words - 'United' and 'Charlton'!
mlt11
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“I'm wracking my brains for a worse Sky Sports idea now.

Perhaps giving Hawthorne the 2005 CL Final only manages to make it to Number 2...”

In order, starting with the worst:

1. Ali Douglas presenting live SPL.

2. The bottom left scorebar with an absolutely huge area of solid blue blank space.

3. The two letter abbreviation on the scorebar - eg NU for Newcastle.

4. Ben Shephard presenting live football - and continuing to do so for 4 seasons.
mlt11
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by Readingfan:
“Two words - 'United' and 'Charlton'! ”

Yes, indeed - that's certainly worthy of a place on the list.
mogzyboy
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“In order, starting with the worst:

1. Ali Douglas presenting live SPL.

2. The bottom left scorebar with an absolutely huge area of solid blue blank space.

3. The two letter abbreviation on the scorebar - eg NU for Newcastle.

4. Ben Shephard presenting live football - and continuing to do so for 4 seasons.”

Ah I'd forgotten about Ali Douglas doing SPL. Yes, she was awful on that.
Jason C
21-08-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“In order, starting with the worst:

1. Ali Douglas presenting live SPL.

2. The bottom left scorebar with an absolutely huge area of solid blue blank space.

3. The two letter abbreviation on the scorebar - eg NU for Newcastle.

4. Ben Shephard presenting live football - and continuing to do so for 4 seasons.”

5. MNF circa 2003 when it was fronted by Ian Payne and featured a "fans panel" of one supporter from every Premier League club.
wolvesdavid
21-08-2013
I said exactly this in the BT Sport v Sky Sport thread.

Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
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I don't see how BT coverage was any different to any football match on any other channel, and thats not meant to be a critism of BT, but just how match coverage is of football.

Pre match they talked with pundits, had features and interviews, during the match they showed the match, and post match again they talked with pundits, showed replays of key incidents, and had interviews with key people.

So how is that any different to what happens on Sky, ITV, BBC or Channel 5?
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And I'll repeat it here. There is nothing that much different about BTs football coverage at all.
mr_wonderful
22-08-2013
Ultimately after 20+ years of ever changing coverage across different channels, it was always pretty unlikely BT were going to able to bring a significantly different look to how football is broadcast.
sheff71
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“5. MNF circa 2003 when it was fronted by Ian Payne and featured a "fans panel" of one supporter from every Premier League club.”

Would taking Sky Sports News off of Freeview qualify as one of their worst decisions? Certainly a lot of people who did watch it previously don't get to see it now, and the chance to advertise that and other Sky shows to Freeviewers has gone?

My uncle (who doesn't have Sky,VM or BT) thought it'd gone back on FTA last weekend, didn't realise it was a one-off free Sky day...
sheff71
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by mr_wonderful:
“Ultimately after 20+ years of ever changing coverage across different channels, it was always pretty unlikely BT were going to able to bring a significantly different look to how football is broadcast.”

What other things can be done with the football coverage?

Perhaps refcam - so we can follow the game via the ref (with a cam strapped to his forehead), and also the threat of players abusing the ref being picked up on the microphone might improve behaviour? This could then utilise Mark Halsey better, and even lead to a spin-off 'You are the ref' segment. Also, if the ref is mic'd up, he could talk directly to the studio or the stadium, explain why a decision is given etc...

Dugoutcam - a camera in the dugout, see the game as the manager sees it (or even put a camera on each manager, so we would know if Wenger did actually 'see it' this time...). Some of the best action can be the touchline squabbles of the opposing managers...

A reporter in with each set of fans - so you'd get a real sense of the atmosphere within the supporters.

Player microphones - as used in T20, put a microphone on one player per team, and during a game, in a break in play, the studio team can talk to one of the players and get a real time perspective of what's happening out there.

Less obvious studio guests, who might give a different perspective of their love of a particular team (e.g. for Fulham-Arsenal maybe Hugh Laurie and Tom Watt).

BTS - make more use of the pitch - recreate the previous week's debatable issues (like Phoenix from the flames from Fantasy Football League back in the day ).

Upgrade the pundits - BTS in particular have assembled a less than impressive crew (though hopefully all will develop as it goes on). They could even hire a sports psychologist and see if they can provide a different view on things. Or even one of the European pundits to come on the panel for the PL games, and give a different, more detached perspective?

Get into the BT pubs - for the areas where the teams are that week, get into the local BTS friendly pub, and get the views of the very common man - always funny to watch when a goal goes in, the reaction of the fans in these pubs, some go nuts!

Get out of the studio, host it from the local mall! So if West Ham are at home, get into Westfield and make an event of it - make it into more of an event perhaps?

Alternate commentary streams (this may already be used?).
Steve Williams
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“Indeed. It said that SNF was Sky Sports' "worst idea in 20 years" !!!!!!!”

And the most positive comments were about the BBC - not Murdoch's favourite broadcaster, I think.
xtradj
22-08-2013
Don't really have a problem with Owen he was a bit biased and talked about liverpool for 90mins but who cares

Way I see it all football pundits tell us every player is great and they work hard and they're a fantastic footballer. Never known any pundit to say a player is average or not bad. They're all great players. So what's the point in bothering when apparently they're all great?
whedon247
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by constantlybored:
“I think the coverage itself is much better for the football than either Sky is or ESPN was. However, in the past 2 days, I have seen 'Serie A Season Preview' 4 times. There is not enough programme depth, likely due to the effort put into certain programmes.”

the best thing about ESPN was the repeats, i hope BT dont change this.
batdude_uk1
22-08-2013
Originally Posted by sheff71:
“What other things can be done with the football coverage?

Perhaps refcam - so we can follow the game via the ref (with a cam strapped to his forehead), and also the threat of players abusing the ref being picked up on the microphone might improve behaviour? This could then utilise Mark Halsey better, and even lead to a spin-off 'You are the ref' segment. Also, if the ref is mic'd up, he could talk directly to the studio or the stadium, explain why a decision is given etc...
”

This has been tried out in the USA, and I must say, it is weird, plus rugby league in this country have stared utilising this as well.
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