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BT Sports Channel (Part 2)
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wolvesdavid
23-08-2013
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“Surprise!

Outside the Old Firm and Edinburgh derbies the ratings for the Aviva Premiership and SPL have been pretty similar, with either able to beat the other on any given week.

The Heineken Cup matches featuring top English teams easily beat most Scottish football ones.

Hardly surprising though, the population of England is ten times that of Scotland that it has as many rugby union fans as Scotland has football ones. And most English football fans find the Premier League, Football League, Champions League, Europa League is quite enough.

As mlt11 often cites, the average viewer of football on Sky only watches 30 matches per season. Scottish football is a pretty low priority for the average sports fans outside Scotland.”

So with the OF and Edinburgh derbies included Scottish Football is more popular than Rugby Union then, which was my point. (Of course the Old Firm derbies can't happen for a minimum of 2 years, and I suspect a maximum of 2 years as well.)
mlt11
23-08-2013
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“So with the OF and Edinburgh derbies included Scottish Football is more popular than Rugby Union then, which was my point. (Of course the Old Firm derbies can't happen for a minimum of 2 years, and I suspect a maximum of 2 years as well.)”

Though the Aviva Premiership rights are more valuable - £22m per year BT (£18m per year old ESPN / Sky contract) vs approx. £12m per year for SPL/SFL.

It's a close run thing really based on whichever measure you wish to use.
derek500
23-08-2013
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“I have no doubt that Sky executives will be watching BARB and other viewer data with interest and their paranoia will have only been increased by the recent BT/Virgin Media deal so who knows what might happen.”

Only one in four homes who've subscribed/activated BT Sport watched the Liverpool v Stoke match last week.

This week they've got Bolton v QPR competing with them on Sky Sports and F1 qualifying on FTA and Sky.

Don't suppose there's any paranoia, yet.
mavreela
23-08-2013
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“So with the OF and Edinburgh derbies included Scottish Football is more popular than Rugby Union then, which was my point. (Of course the Old Firm derbies can't happen for a minimum of 2 years, and I suspect a maximum of 2 years as well.)”

No. Because using the greatest deviation from an average is a terrible way of gauging popularity of anything.

And no. Because Igloo_Man's original point was about what was most popular on BT Sport, and I believe Sky have Old Firm derbies and the Edinburgh ones are shared.

If someone were to add up ESPN's ratings for the SPL and Aviva Premiership and average them out then you can make that claim if proven, but there is no basis from looking through them to say anything other than they are roughly equal. The same can be said from Sky's ratings too.

And those past ratings were when the Aviva Premiership was shared so some fans will have been happy with just the matches shown on Sky in addition to their coverage of the LV Cup and European competitions.

Now that that league is exclusive to BT Sport it will be more important to rugby fans to take out a second subscription, while the Scottish Premiership remains shared to BT is not a greater draw to Scottish football fans.
LOSG
23-08-2013
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“So with the OF and Edinburgh derbies included Scottish Football is more popular than Rugby Union then,”

Given the attendances I don't even think Edinburgh cares about the local derby let alone the rest of the British Isles.
RichardRees
23-08-2013
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“We know Sky will be doing another dozen or so of their free spoiler weekends”

Do we? Over what period do you expect them to be?
derek500
23-08-2013
Originally Posted by RichardRees:
“Do we? Over what period do you expect them to be?”

I haven't heard anything, either.

They could just make the Saturday lunchtime FL72 match FTA as a regular feature.
TelevisionUser
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Only one in four homes who've subscribed/activated BT Sport watched the Liverpool v Stoke match last week.

This week they've got Bolton v QPR competing with them on Sky Sports and F1 qualifying on FTA and Sky.

Don't suppose there's any paranoia, yet.”

In which case, how can you explain all those Sky Sports panic adverts that are now in every newspaper these days?

Youview's been a roaring success for BT so far plus BT have already signed up 10,000 pubs and clubs for their sports channels:

BT Sport signed 10,000 pubs and clubs before the kick-Off of the Premier League season on Saturday lunchtime. The telco has been banking on the retail trade to boost numbers and promotion of its three-channel sports package – arguing that it is close to 76% cheaper than the Sky equivalent – even if on a per Premier League game basis the cost is not that different.
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2013/...e-on-bt-sport/

Sky really do have something to be concerned about not least because they front loaded their first picks which means that BT's Premership offerings will start to get better from November onwards and BT are then more likely to get more new customers wanting to see the top pick games. I'm not sure that that was a wise decision on Sky's part because they'll be giving BT Sport some good growth headlines in due course.

Originally Posted by RichardRees:
“Do we? Over what period do you expect them to be?”

Originally Posted by derek500:
“I haven't heard anything, either.

They could just make the Saturday lunchtime FL72 match FTA as a regular feature.”

Oh dear, you mean you've both not yet seen a leaked draft copy of Sky's "Project Purple" that aims strangle BT Sports at birth, then? They are indeed keeping you both out of the loop, aren't they?

You might care to observe what happens when BT are showing some of their better 12.45pm kick off Premiership matches. Who knows, you might find that some Sky Bet Championship games get a wider than normal airing.
derek500
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“Youview's been a roaring success for BT so far plus BT have already signed up 10,000 pubs and clubs for their sports channels:”

Have you figures for BT's YouView? I thought it was TalkTalk's version that had been the success (390,000). BT's TV numbers are pretty static and they're still pushing out BT Vision boxes.

As for the pub sign-ups, It's cheap and with introductory offers even cheaper.

http://www.btplc.com/News/Articles/S...E-BFF015637BD9

But apart from 38 football matches, there's not a great deal to get people out the house and down the pub.
Radiomike
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“In which case, how can you explain all those Sky Sports panic adverts that are now in every newspaper these days?

Youview's been a roaring success for BT so far plus BT have already signed up 10,000 pubs and clubs for their sports channels:

Sky really do have something to be concerned about not least because they front loaded their first picks which means that BT's Premership offerings will start to get better from November onwards and BT are then more likely to get more new customers wanting to see the top pick games. I'm not sure that that was a wise decision on Sky's part because they'll be giving BT Sport some good growth headlines in due course.

You might care to observe what happens when BT are showing some of their better 12.45pm kick off Premiership matches. Who knows, you might find that some Sky Bet Championship games get a wider than normal airing. ”

Those blinkers are obviously affecting your vision. It seems to me that the papers are pretty evenly awash with ads from both Sky and BT. Simply fighting fire with fire.

As for first picks Sky still have plenty left - I think they started with 20 to 18 and it is now down to about 12 to 13. More pertinently Sky can choose which weeks they exercise their first choice, so very limited options for BT to pick the really top games.

Do you have comparable figures for how many pubs and clubs Sky is in (BT's figure includes around 1300 betting shops I believe) so we can make a proper comparison.

I subscribe to both Sky and BT and it seems the biggest problem BT has is just having one live EPL match per week to Sky's three (plus FL72 games). Their schedule is therefore looking a bit thin at times.

As for BT's YouView as Derek says I don't think so.

Let's see what happens once the initial hype dies down.
MeicY
24-08-2013
Sky Sports panic adverts? I don't think I've picked up a paper in the last twenty YEARS that hasn't had a SKY advert in it of some kind or another...
KNs47
24-08-2013
Really liked the little section with Tony Adams where he was on the BT pitch with a bunch of kids showing us how Arsenal's defence weren't marking Benteke. They really need to expand that section into their review programmes. It showed, in slower time, players off the ball and how their movement should be.
Igloo_Man
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by KNs47:
“Really liked the little section with Tony Adams where he was on the BT pitch with a bunch of kids showing us how Arsenal's defence weren't marking Benteke. They really need to expand that section into their review programmes. It showed, in slower time, players off the ball and how their movement should be.”

Agreed. It's the first time I've actually felt the pitch has been utilised well.

It's definitely something which they should look at incorporating in this manner more often - it could give them a USP which is still lacking at the moment.
derek500
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by MeicY:
“Sky Sports panic adverts? I don't think I've picked up a paper in the last twenty YEARS that hasn't had a SKY advert in it of some kind or another...”

...and Jake is popping up in what seems like every ad break on Sky News.
TelevisionUser
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by Radiomike:
“Those blinkers are obviously affecting your vision. It seems to me that the papers are pretty evenly awash with ads from both Sky and BT. Simply fighting fire with fire.

As for first picks Sky still have plenty left - I think they started with 20 to 18 and it is now down to about 12 to 13. More pertinently Sky can choose which weeks they exercise their first choice, so very limited options for BT to pick the really top games.

Do you have comparable figures for how many pubs and clubs Sky is in (BT's figure includes around 1300 betting shops I believe) so we can make a proper comparison.

I subscribe to both Sky and BT and it seems the biggest problem BT has is just having one live EPL match per week to Sky's three (plus FL72 games). Their schedule is therefore looking a bit thin at times.

As for BT's YouView as Derek says I don't think so.

Let's see what happens once the initial hype dies down.”

...is the wrong answer. Please don't take this personally for it is not meant that way but I am heartily sick and tired of the relentless pro-Sky hype and bias that is being put out by some Sky subscribers and shareholders in this and other forums.

It would be fair to say that the BT Sports channels have made a reasonable start in terms of presentation and public and commercial subscribers but there are areas where there is room for improvement. It is also fair and appropriate to say that this time Sky are facing their most serious challenge and that BT poses a threat that is greater than that posed by Setanta and ESPN.

It would have been helpful for BT Sport if they had indeed been able to secure another tranche of Premiership matches and I'm sure that the BT executives will want to correct that at the next bidding round. As you rightly point out, Sky also have the Sky Bet Championship but then again BT have got the shared rights (with the BBC) for FA cup matches and they have got UEFA Europa League matches to show.

One area that BT will have to address is what to put on during the football summer break from 2014 onwards and Moto GP and WTA tennis can only fill up so much space.
TelevisionUser
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by MeicY:
“Sky Sports panic adverts? I don't think I've picked up a paper in the last twenty YEARS that hasn't had a SKY advert in it of some kind or another...”

...but this time it's the sheer quantity of the adverts that is relevant and that clearly indicates (to the unbiased observer) that Sky do recognise BT as a serious threat this time round and that they are in full operational mode now.
steveh31
24-08-2013
Lol Michael Owen - There will be a bit of damp on the pitch and the game hasn't even started.

Hey will the players get wet Michael or stay dry?
steveh31
24-08-2013
How many times is Darren Fletcher going to mention the rain???????
Igloo_Man
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by steveh31:
“How many times is Darren Fletcher going to mention the rain??????? ”

A lot.

But in his defence, the rain is a growing influencing on the game.
Ambassador
24-08-2013
There's no BT Sport Live this afternoon?

:Learnt from last weeks disaster? Showing a repeat (the 512th this week) of the Tom Watt Football Outposts documentary
derek500
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“...is the wrong answer. Please don't take this personally for it is not meant that way but I am heartily sick and tired of the relentless pro-Sky hype and bias that is being put out by some Sky subscribers and shareholders in this and other forums.”

My BT shareholding is substantially larger than my BSkyB one.

I just say what I see,

Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“...but this time it's the sheer quantity of the adverts that is relevant and that clearly indicates (to the unbiased observer) that Sky do recognise BT as a serious threat this time round and that they are in full operational mode now.”

Not you then, with your ongoing anti Sky agenda.
steveh31
24-08-2013
Darren is an ok commentator he seems to forget he is not commentating on the radio and we can see what's going on.
Ambassador
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by steveh31:
“Darren is an ok commentator he seems to forget he is not commentating on the radio and we can see what's going on.”

Must be fairly difficult to make that jump. I don't like Jonathan Pearce and he made the same move. It's easier for Fletcher to have a personality on radio than it is on TV
MeicY
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by Ambassador:
“There's no BT Sport Live this afternoon?

:Learnt from last weeks disaster? Showing a repeat (the 512th this week) of the Tom Watt Football Outposts documentary”

The Saturday afternoon BT Sport Live was never meant to be long term (given that in a couple of weeks rugby will be filling that slot)
TelevisionUser
24-08-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“My BT shareholding is substantially larger than my BSkyB one.

I just say what I see,

Not you then, with your ongoing anti Sky agenda.”

It is not being anti-Sky to recognise that now Sky do have a serious and credible opponent in the form of BT and unbiased media commentators in the press and TV recognise that fact. They also recognise that competition has elicited a strong and overt response from Sky. You might also care to take due account of the wise guidance contained in Matthew 7:3:
Quote:
“"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"”

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