It's still only one game per weekend (or midweek when EPL plays midweek) though even if they can move the odd game to Sunday. To Sky's 3 etc etc

I do take your point, but they are going to have Sunday 4pm kick off's, and their is also the Boxing day game that the have got. The Sunday games and the Boxing day games will probably be between 2 games in the top 4.

How are you watching on the app if you haven't subscribed to BT Sport? Someone you know allowing you to watch using their subscription?

BT do not have any Sunday 4pm kickoffs

I have bt broadband. Who said I hadnt subscribed?
I just said I wished it was on cable

Can I still get BT Sport on Sky as

The sky sub is in my name

And the BT sub is in my wife's name

I thought they said they have some Sunday 4 pm kick off's, is it the earlier 1 pm Sunday kick off's they have?

Didn't realise sorry. Getting confusing replying to your posts on 2 different threads at the same time.

Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to give them a chance. I'm just warning against getting too carried away on the strength of 24 hours. And, based on past experience, they may not have many years.

They won't have CL until at least 2015 I think so that is at least 2 years away. In the meantime (like Setanta and ESPN before them) they are very much second fiddle in content terms to Sky - just stating as fact.

Their main problem at the moment is not having a major sport as their own. They are in a stronger position than Sky in Rugby Union terms so far as English club rugby is concerned but even there if you want to see the Heineken Cup or England Autumn Internationals you need Sky.

That is why plan A was to snatch the bulk of the EPL - now that would have been a game changer. Much harder with plan B.

I think plan B is better.

Buying the full EPL would have meant a similar pay model to sky. This way they can do it free with broadband.

People will increasingly get the message that premium sport can be inclusive, rather than the £43 minimum that sky offer.

Indeed, and if I remember rightly, they occasionally put statistics up next to it to turn it a full bar running across the screen cricket-style.

To be honest, I can understand why BT have put their DOG and scoreboard at the bottom of the screen simply as part of their whole intention to do things as differently from Sky as possible - but the key doubt with this and all the innovations BT have introduced is that just because it's different doesn't mean it's automatically good.

With the exception of Sky's experiment, scorebars have always been placed at the top left of the screen since they came in twenty years ago and the fact is that your eyes automatically flick up there when you want to know the score and the time, so it's a sacrosanct part of TV football presentation and should be left as that regardless of any desire to do things in a new way.

I don't think people will get used to it at all and I reckon it'll be moved back up to the top left where it should be by the end of the month.

Ok lol. Was beginning to think you were stalking me.

I just hope BT are willing to stick around for those years to make it work. They won't do a Setanta, obviously, but if they don't win more rights in the next PL auction and decide to give up, then all this was, mostly, for nothing. Some extra broadband customers yes, but if BT close Sport in the future then their ambitions for triple play would take a big hit.

If anyone has the money to take on Sky, it's BT - it's just whether their board have the commitment to keep investing in order to make that happen. I hope they do.

I live with my parents and the sky subscription is in my dads name. I just entered the viewing card number and it worked fine.

Don't be fooled by the BT hype here. They aren't promising that it will be "inclusive" for ever and just like Sky they are motivated primarily by their own bottom line. If in the short term there are benefits for the customer that is good but they aren't guaranteed.

There is no free lunch here - inclusive is only inclusive if you are prepared to tie yourself to BT in other respects. They aren't "giving" football back to the people - that is just spin.

The problem is that no one believes the BT Sport channel can pay for itself through subs etc so it absolutely has to do so through broadband retentions and new sales. Fail on that front and it is a busted flush. Sky is already fighting back with its own broadband offers - free broadband for 12 months (or free fibre for 6 months) for all Sky Sports customers (new and old) and there will be more to come.

It certainly isn't going to be plain sailing. Interesting to watch from the shore though.

I suspect neither do they. It will be quietly ignored as if it had never been is my guess.

I can only speak for myself. BT sport isn't costing me a penny over the next 18 months.

If that changes then I reassess the situation.

But I can't see Bt suddenly introducing a charge because all the customers that they signed up would bail.

Has anyone with an ipod touch 4th gen been able to get the app working. Its as though it cant find the listings and says something about no events to show

Although I've been watching the Football League Match on Sky Sports this evening, I've kept the BT Sport App on this evening and I've checked quite alot this evening and there appears to have been no buffering at least on my Apple IPad.
Ian.

Yes, the C4 athletics commentary team was excellent - nowadays only Steve Cram really stands out at the BBC. Why they went for a completely untested kids presenters to front the show, especially when they had a ready made tested and rather good kids presenter of their own in Rick Edwards who did a decent job when he replaced Ortis. It was something they obviously learned from when it came to the Paralympics, and in a way it's a shame they just handed the rights to 2013 back to the BBC.


It's the fact it's opaque and black which is the real problem. The scorebar too gets covered up when watching on the online player unless you're in full screen.

Interesting tonight anyhow both the rugby and football were on location - thought the rugby at least might be used to show off the studio a bit more.


Exactly - ultimately BT will want more money from BT Sport customers one way or another - and if they bid big on the next round of Premier League games they'll be hoping they're in a position where they've already convinced most of their viewers to pay up for more content - and we'll be talking closer to the £20 mark than the £10 or so ESPN/Setanta have been charging.

Three things i haven't liked so far:

1. The 1.5s sound lag on the extended highlights of the Audi Cup. Annoying but i'll chalk this down to a teething problem.

2. Not showing the result from X-Games Best Whip on the replay; very poor and mistakes like this can't continue.

3. The amount of adverts being shown; meant that an inning had to be skipped (7th) in the MLB game on Thursday. ESPNA used to do this when a game ran long but this game didn't and had a 3 hour slot. Hopefully there will be less ads now that the free day is out of the way; it's something worth monitoring.

The amount of ads shouldn't really change - BT can't show any more than ESPN could.

No, BT doesn't have any Sunday games as such.

The only exception is if they pick a game featuring an EL team playing the previous Thursday in which case the BT game will move to Sunday 12pm.

Why? Someone please explain to me why a scorebar at the bottom is so much worse than a scorebar at the top. Both types of scorebar might interfere with action in football, depending which side of the pitch the ball is on. As far as I can tell, other sports like cricket use a scorebar at the bottom too.

As far as I can tell, the only reason for annoyance is not being used to it.

On the other hand, I can understand people wanting the DOG to be translucent because this is clearly preferable and a lot of channels, including Sky Sports, do this.

Yeah, it's just seems like change for the sake of change. It just looks visually clumsy. If they really must be different, why not place it on the top right?