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BT Sports Channel (Part 2)
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whedon247
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by Upnorthviewer:
“Aren't the commentators for the Spanish, German , French, and Italian football always just commenting on the same telly pictures you're watching? I find that spoils it.

Why are the commentators never flown out to the games? Would the cost of flights, hotels, etc, really add so much when showing the foreign football is a prestige money loser already?”

of course it costs! not to mention that they have 10 games a weekend to commentate on,some do double duty

and as long as they dont lose the sounds from the stadium you cant really tell imo
Akilduff
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by 85 monks:
“Yes, the cost of flights/hotels is high enough on its own to persuade the tv-companies to just have commentators in their UK studios ... but you're also overlooking one other logistic that saves a lot of money.

If you insist on sending a couple of commentators to every game, you're going to need a bigger number of different commentators each weekend because very few of them would be willing to get worn out criss-crossing Europe to cover 2 or 3 games on successive days so that will reduce the standard of the commentaries ...”

Also, there's the cost of booking lines and having an on-site producer too. Multiply this alone by 8 9 or 10 games a weekend, and you're looking at something approaching half a million a season just to set-up the luxury of having commentators abroad.

There may be an argument for sending a commentary team out to the top game each weekend - but the costs would mount even for this.

Sky tend to have commentators on site for the two Clįsico games, and ESPN had their commentators on site for perhaps three Serie A games a season.
Mr Newshound
29-08-2013
‏@Alan_Alger_: "Incredible viewing figures through from BT Sport for yesterday's #SkrillPremier live match Hyde v Grimsby Town. 130k tuned in at some point."
gomezz
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Not full on On Demand service as yet but they have put up all five classic British MotoGP races they have been showing this week:-

http://sport.bt.com/more-sport-01363810551131”

The streaming of these videos is rock solid which begs the question of why the live streams can be so choppy?
D.M.N.
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by Mr Newshound:
“‏@Alan_Alger_: "Incredible viewing figures through from BT Sport for yesterday's #SkrillPremier live match Hyde v Grimsby Town. 130k tuned in at some point."”

Some more stats from Alan:

"not including play-offs it's just under the [highest] Setanta [Conference] peak, which was Exeter v York in Aug 07. They [Premier League and Conference] won't ever clash. BT won't put them up against Premier League games anyway. [Average on Premier Sport was] about 5k."
LOSG
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“The streaming of these videos is rock solid which begs the question of why the live streams can be so choppy?”

Must be your internet. I've never ever had a problem the picture quality and streaming of the channels is quality.
gomezz
29-08-2013
You don't think 40Mbps is sufficient even though streams from other sites are also fine?
wolvesdavid
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by skiller:
“I quite agree, but the official name is not the same as being known as. You said it has never been called that. You are incorrect.”

I've also seen it called the Premiersh*t as well, but it would still be disrespectful to reference it by that name, just as it is to call it the English Premier League. As you quite agree you don't need to be pedantic for the sake of it.

Great numbers for the conference.
derek500
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
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Great numbers for the conference.”

Just shows the big gap between reach and average.

130k = 26 BARB panellists watching some, but the 5k average brings it down to one BARB panellist watching it all.
D.M.N.
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Just shows the big gap between reach and average.

130k = 26 BARB panellists watching some, but the 5k average brings it down to one BARB panellist watching it all.”

Er, the 5k average was for games on Premier Sports, not BT Sport..
casinoman13
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Just shows the big gap between reach and average.

130k = 26 BARB panellists watching some, but the 5k average brings it down to one BARB panellist watching it all.”

Amazing figures, surely they were never hoping for that of response?
mlt11
29-08-2013
Very, very good number for the Conference on BT.

But is the 130k figure the reach or peak?

The way the sentence is phrased it sounds like a reach but reach figures are very, very rarely reported for programmes so I wonder if it is actually the peak?
derek500
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Er, the 5k average was for games on Premier Sports, not BT Sport..”

OK. Checked the Tweets and he says 5k was peak on Premier with 11k for finals. Does he know his reach, peak and averages?

Quote:
“Colin Hardy ‏@Foxredhenry 27 Aug
@Alan_Alger_ good news for skrill - as a matter of interest do you know the peak when it was on Premier


Alan Alger ‏@Alan_Alger_ 27 Aug
@Foxredhenry 11k for the final. 5k for normal matches.”

wolvesdavid
29-08-2013
Surely that 130K is the peak.

Last time I asked what the ratings were for Cambridge v Halifax and as it wasn't in the top 10 for BT Sports so it was under 10K for a programme average.
derek500
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“Surely that 130K is the peak.

Last time I asked what the ratings were for Cambridge v Halifax and as it wasn't in the top 10 for BT Sports so it was under 10K for a programme average.”

That's why I reckon it's a reach figure. Do you ever get a peak 10+ times higher than average for football?

But with such a small number of households watching, who knows?
mlt11
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“That's why I reckon it's a reach figure. Do you ever get a peak 10+ times higher than average for football?

But with such a small number of households watching, who knows?”

But has anybody said what the average was?

The game was only last night. Nobody knows what the average was.
Steve Williams
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“But has anybody said what the average was?

The game was only last night. Nobody knows what the average was.”

It wasn't on last night, it was on Monday. I wouldn't be surprised if there was such a big difference between that match and Cambridge vs Halifax at the start of the season given that was before BT was on Virgin (and before the Premier League started so nobody saw any promotion, whereas Jake's attempt to promote this game on Saturday was so desperately shoehorned in it stuck in the mind) and it was partly oppisite the Charity Shield, whereas this was opposite no other fooball.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“"not including play-offs it's just under the [highest] Setanta [Conference] peak, which was Exeter v York in Aug 07. They [Premier League and Conference] won't ever clash. BT won't put them up against Premier League games anyway. [Average on Premier Sport was] about 5k."”

That Premier Sport rating is pathetic and illustrates what a waste of everyone's time that deal was, moving fixtures around for the benefit of hardly any more people than were at the ground anyway. It was certainly no advert for the division. I know some of the BT coverage was a bit gimmicky, like the fan interviews, but at least it gives you some kind of context as a casual viewer stumbling on it, on Premier Sports it was just massive hardcore fans and nobody else.

Don't know about clashing with Premier League, I think a bigger problem would be clashing with the Football League as that surely has a bigger crossover. Not sure how you can guarantee that anyway, they're OK now with the Bank Holiday and international weekends but after that you'll be trying to find any available hole.

Interesting that highest rated match on Setanta was possibly the first one they ever showed, must have been considered enough of a novelty to tune in.

On an unrelated point, I see Skrill are going for the same kind of carpet-bombing approach as Blue Square for brand building by giving everyone Skrill T-shirts and anoraks and all that. I know they're paying for it, and it's slightly better than Blue Square because the logo isn't so garish, but it tends to overhwhelm a bit and surely the appeal of non-league football is the tradition and the homely nature of it. Less is more!
mlt11
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“It wasn't on last night, it was on Monday. I wouldn't be surprised if there was such a big difference between that match and Cambridge vs Halifax at the start of the season given that was before BT was on Virgin (and before the Premier League started so nobody saw any promotion, whereas Jake's attempt to promote this game on Saturday was so desperately shoehorned in it stuck in the mind) and it was partly oppisite the Charity Shield, whereas this was opposite no other fooball.”

Agree entirely - that's the whole point I was alluding to - IF the peak is actually 130k then it seems obvious that the average is bound to be far, far, far higher than 10k - probably around 60k to 70k.

However if 130k is actually the reach then we need to see what the average and peak are but they would obviously then be somewhat lower.

How much lower I'm not sure as we have very, very little experience of programme reach figures - you know much more about ratings than I do but has a programme reach figure ever even been discussed on the Ratings Thread?
derek500
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
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How much lower I'm not sure as we have very, very little experience of programme reach figures - you know much more about ratings than I do but has a programme reach figure ever even been discussed on the Ratings Thread?”

The breakfast TV reach figures were mentioned a couple of years ago, but they're different as most people only watch for a short time time. The papers are always quoting the average and saying "only XXX watched".

For May 10, 2011 they were:-

Breakfast - Ave Aud: 1.692m, Reach: 7.47m
Daybreak - Ave Aud: 0.874m, Reach: 3.249m
Hup_73
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“I've also seen it called the Premiersh*t as well, but it would still be disrespectful to reference it by that name, just as it is to call it the English Premier League. As you quite agree you don't need to be pedantic for the sake of it.

Great numbers for the conference.”

To be fair, it's not even called the Premiership anymore, let alone the Premiersh*t! I think if anyone references the Premiership, or EPL then I think we all know exactly what it means. Google certainly doesn't have a problem working it out
ariusuk
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“That's why I reckon it's a reach figure. Do you ever get a peak 10+ times higher than average for football?”

Yes. If you look at peak vs programme average on some of Sky's output you'll see 10x differences quite frequently, because they have long build-up which few people watch, followed by 90 minutes of action, where many people will only start watching at around 65 minutes and switch off at the final whistle.
derek500
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“Yes. If you look at peak vs programme average on some of Sky's output you'll see 10x differences quite frequently, because they have long build-up which few people watch, followed by 90 minutes of action, where many people will only start watching at around 65 minutes and switch off at the final whistle.”

We often get peak and average figures for football on Sky, but 10x, never seen it that high.

Peak v lowest, then maybe, but not average.
jake lyle
29-08-2013
Originally Posted by ariusuk:
“Yes. If you look at peak vs programme average on some of Sky's output you'll see 10x differences quite frequently,.”

Mmm, generally not 10x!
lordloz
29-08-2013
So I have apparently a sky freeview box in my new place...asked bt about phone and broadband...

now....I can get bt sport with it via web....they said can get bt via skybox I think??..

.offered bt tv box for 5 a month....but I like saving Moto gp races to DVD and don't know if can do that this way....

Hope can try again tomorrow.....still annoying no presenters announced for Moto GP yet as well..

.by the way I have little e.g zero interest in other sports on here, football is going to be totally wasted on me for example so its all a quandary right now!!
skiller
30-08-2013
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“I've also seen it called the Premiersh*t as well, but it would still be disrespectful to reference it by that name, just as it is to call it the English Premier League. As you quite agree you don't need to be pedantic for the sake of it.”

I wasn't being pedantic for the sake of it. Comparing "EPL" to "Premiersh*t" is ridiculous. In many countries around the world, it is officially known as the English Premier League.

You see this logo all over the world.
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