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BT Sports Channel (Part 2)
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Delenn
31-08-2013
Originally Posted by packerbully:
“Agree, but then again I think ESPN is doing well for US sport. In fact, if you look at it, Live Sport wise ESPN seems to have the most! BT needed this ESPN channel.”

College Gameday one out of three weeks. Sadly, I don't consider that as being ESPN doing well for US sport.
Jaycee Dove
31-08-2013
The My BT forums are full of disgruntled customers upset that BTs Online player ruined today's PL match.

Very pleased I gave up and found a feed instead as those who trusted BT to get it sorted (according to some posts in there) either missed the goals or had them spoilered due to the site continuously switching back and forth into the future and the past of the game.

Despite it being obvious from the 9 page thread (last time I checked) this was a serious issue BT just kept asking if everyone tried logging off. We all did, It made no difference. The site is simply not good enough and in no way useful as an Anytime backup if you were used to that with ESPN via Sky,

Though tablets using the ap seemed to have worked. It is the online site that was simply pathetic during the entire 3 hour programme today,

The on line feed I found in seconds was perfect right through - in HD and only 9 seconds behind the BT 1 HD channel on Sky, BTs on line channel was at various times (and often) anywhere between 23 seconds and two and a half minutes behind - usually with sound being one and pictures the other and regular switches back and forth from one to the other.

If free dodgy feeds are providing a miles better service as a multiroom back up to BTs own dismal efforts then this is going to lose them customers if they are not careful.

The BT Online player needs scrapping and replacing with one that works as well as dodgynet sites that the FA, Sky and (presumably?) BT are attempting to get stopped. If it was nobody would bother with them, But some of those who do through BTs own online failings may well decide not to bother returning to pay BT,
Ambassador
31-08-2013
I have to say I've not seeing anything that will tempt me so far to pay for BT Sports as a standalone
TelevisionUser
31-08-2013
That headline is just so plain bizarre that I have to provide a link to the original article: http://news.morningstar.com/articlen...aspx?id=609653

Basically, the analyst is saying that BT Sport is not so likely to draw subscribers away from Sky Sports but is likely to shore up their broadband & telephony business.

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Originally Posted by Ambassador:
“I have to say I've not seeing anything that will tempt me so far to pay for BT Sports as a standalone”

I saw the BT Sport coverage of Man City vs. Hull round a friend's place this afternoon and it was OK. Even Michael Owen's commentary isn't in the dire range for I've heard worse. It does have the advantage that you can buy it separately which reduces the cost. I'd say it was fair value for money if you have an interest in the sports that they show.
packerbully
31-08-2013
Originally Posted by Delenn:
“College Gameday one out of three weeks. Sadly, I don't consider that as being ESPN doing well for US sport.”

I was really talking game wise...Despite that, I think us US fans are happy with the amount of US sport we are getting, compared to what we thought we were going to get. Yes not having regular College Gameday is annoying (but there are other means).

You could look at the NFL whose coverage is getting less every year in this country. Now that is bad. I am just hoping that whoever has MNF also has rights to non game coverage which seems to have 'disappeared' now.
mogzyboy
31-08-2013
The three-way commentary situation really isn't working. I'm a big fan of the idea of having a referee on hand. However, he needs to be used in the right way.

They'd be better off keeping Halsey in London and giving him a segment at half-time and full-time to explain the decisions once he's had time to view them properly and come up with an explanation.
Gray77
31-08-2013
Originally Posted by Delenn:
“College Gameday one out of three weeks. Sadly, I don't consider that as being ESPN doing well for US sport.”

College Gameday is a fantastic show, no doubt about it and its absence from the schedules is frustrating. But, the main thing is having games live. Games are the most important thing. Tonight we have Bama v VT and LSU v TCU and in the next 2 weeks we have 3 live games back to back on both Saturdays including two nationally televised marquee games (Notre Dame at Michigan in W2 and Alabama at Texas A&M in W3). That is better than anyone predicted, infact it's alot better than most of us feared.

If you wish to judge BT's commitment to College Football on whether they show a weekly preview talk show instead of actual live games then your priorities IMO are wrong. Gameday would be great, but I would not trade actual live games for it on any given weekend. If BT/ESPN keep up the current ratio of live games, show the CBS SEC game and the ABC Saturday Night Football every Saturday then I will personally be happy. I certainly won't be slamming them for showing top quality live games consistently every weekend because they aren't showing a preview show, no matter how good the show is.
suffolkblue
01-09-2013
Yes have to say I fully agree with you Gray77. I'm happy so far let's hope it continues and BT keep investing in U.S Sports.
marbles316
01-09-2013
Originally Posted by packerbully:
“You could look at the NFL whose coverage is getting less every year in this country. Now that is bad. I am just hoping that whoever has MNF also has rights to non game coverage which seems to have 'disappeared' now.”

Doesn't seem too bad: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl...year-deal.html
casinoman13
01-09-2013
Anyone with any figures for BT's lunchtime prem game?
Jaycee Dove
01-09-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Anyone with any figures for BT's lunchtime prem game?”

Do the online ones count double as you saw a lot of the game twice?
pengedragon
01-09-2013
Originally Posted by Dansky+HD:
“They could have shown Verona v AC Milan but didn't?

No red button access to those massive rights deals is so so disappointing.”

things could always be better i suppose but i'm delighted with the european coverage so far
wolvesdavid
01-09-2013
I love Danny Baker and Danny Kellys VSPO. I have used LOADS of things as a football (Coca Cola Can, stone, tennis ball, basket ball, snooker ball, rolled up socks, winnie the pooh cuddly toy,) you get the idea.

Shot in a million - got to be the time where my brother was eating a banana, I sliced my first attempted shot wide but my brother who wasn't playing saw his banana cut in two as the ball bounced straight off the banana back to me and I scored with my 2nd attempted shot.

When has something broke playing football - got to be the time where one off my mates at school was playing football with a basket ball, shot the ball which went over the bar straight into the music room window, hit the back wall, and rebounded straight into the drum kit!

I also want to say well done to Manchester United who are now top of the league!

Who should get the ball in grassroots football? If it is a goal (assuming no net) than the goalkeeper for letting it in. But if its missed definately the striker.

Its really funny. Something we can all relate to.
sheff71
01-09-2013
Originally Posted by wolvesdavid:
“I love Danny Baker and Danny Kellys VSPO. I have used LOADS of things as a football (Coca Cola Can, stone, tennis ball, basket ball, snooker ball, rolled up socks, winnie the pooh cuddly toy,) you get the idea.

Shot in a million - got to be the time where my brother was eating a banana, I sliced my first attempted shot wide but my brother who wasn't playing saw his banana cut in two as the ball bounced straight off the banana back to me and I scored with my 2nd attempted shot.

When has something broke playing football - got to be the time where one off my mates at school was playing football with a basket ball, shot the ball which went over the bar straight into the music room window, hit the back wall, and rebounded straight into the drum kit!

I also want to say well done to Manchester United who are now top of the league!

Who should get the ball in grassroots football? If it is a goal (assuming no net) than the goalkeeper for letting it in. But if its missed definately the striker.

Its really funny. Something we can all relate to.”


I love the toaster and tarot sections - DB's reactions when the toaster pops up is great, and I think it's been right two out of three times so far... I think the tarot card lady also predicted a draw correctly via the cards in the Brighton-Millwall game...spooky!

When the caller swore, their reaction was funny (back after the break, if we're still on air...), and the guys in bed in the Ron Atkinson suite was surreal! At least they edited out the offensive word by the time of the later repeats, so it was only aired in the pre-watershed version
packerbully
01-09-2013
Originally Posted by marbles316:
“Doesn't seem too bad: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl...year-deal.html”

Yes it is. We used to have pre game shows from the US on Sunday and Monday. Nightly news shows during the week, a 2 hour highlight show on the Monday evening..in addition to other NFL programming. None of that now exists.
The Channel 4 deal does not bring us any extra programming to what we have except a highlight show a week after the games are played and a pre season documentary show.
D.M.N.
02-09-2013
One Saturday fooball rating:

Ford Saturday Night Football - 628k (4.2%)
mogzyboy
02-09-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“One Saturday fooball rating:

Ford Saturday Night Football - 628k (4.2%)”

Anything from yesterday?
D.M.N.
02-09-2013
BT Sport's top 10's....

BT Sport 1
w/e 25 Aug 2013
000's
1 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (SAT 1130) 413
2 SCOTTISH PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (FRI 1900) 120
3 BT SPORT FILMS (SAT 1500) 85
4 SERIE A (SAT 1940) 37
5 UFC: BEYOND THE OCTAGON (TUE 2100) 25
6 CARIBBEAN PREMIER LEAGUE T20 (SAT 1601) 19
7 SERIE A (SUN 1929) 17
8 BUNDESLIGA (SAT 1700) 16
9 BT SPORTS PANEL (SAT 0930) 16
10 BAKER & KELLY'S V.S.P.O (FRI 1800) 16

BT Sport 2
w/e 25 Aug 2013
000's
1 1-BUNDESLIGA (FRI 1900) 23
2 SERIE A (SUN 1657) 18
3 WTA - NEW HAVEN OPEN AT YALE (WED 1944) 17
4 ROAD TO RIO (SUN 1029) 17
5 CLASSIC BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (THU 1601) 14
6 UFC (TUE 2200) 14
7 ON AT 2200.24 1-BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (WED 2202 13
8 BTSI (FRI 2548) 12
9 FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SUN 1958) 11
10 BT SPORT FILMS (SUN 2200) 11

ESPN
w/e 25 Aug 2013
000's
1 MLB PLAYER POLL (THU 2030) 35
2 ESPN KICKS - EXTRA #34 - SEG 2 (FRI 1904) 20
3 LIVE - TOP 14 TOULON V RACING METRO - 1S (FRI 1951 16
4 19:59 - LIVE - INDYCAR SONOMA (SUN 2117) 8
5 TOP 14 RUGBY HIGHLIGHTS (FRI 1920) 7
6 BTSP00-FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SAT 1857) 6
7 NASCAR SPRINT CUP HIGHLIGHTS (MON 0731) 6
8 LIVE - MLB NY METS V MINNESOTA (MON 1900) 5
9 LIVE - MLB BOSTON V SAN FRANCISCO (WED 2121) 5
10 MLB (TUE 0800) 5
citytillidie
02-09-2013
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“The My BT forums are full of disgruntled customers upset that BTs Online player ruined today's PL match.

Very pleased I gave up and found a feed instead as those who trusted BT to get it sorted (according to some posts in there) either missed the goals or had them spoilered due to the site continuously switching back and forth into the future and the past of the game.

Despite it being obvious from the 9 page thread (last time I checked) this was a serious issue BT just kept asking if everyone tried logging off. We all did, It made no difference. The site is simply not good enough and in no way useful as an Anytime backup if you were used to that with ESPN via Sky,

Though tablets using the ap seemed to have worked. It is the online site that was simply pathetic during the entire 3 hour programme today,

The on line feed I found in seconds was perfect right through - in HD and only 9 seconds behind the BT 1 HD channel on Sky, BTs on line channel was at various times (and often) anywhere between 23 seconds and two and a half minutes behind - usually with sound being one and pictures the other and regular switches back and forth from one to the other.

If free dodgy feeds are providing a miles better service as a multiroom back up to BTs own dismal efforts then this is going to lose them customers if they are not careful.

The BT Online player needs scrapping and replacing with one that works as well as dodgynet sites that the FA, Sky and (presumably?) BT are attempting to get stopped. If it was nobody would bother with them, But some of those who do through BTs own online failings may well decide not to bother returning to pay BT,”

I watched the 2nd half of the Man City game via the App on my Ipad and had no issues at all
mlt11
02-09-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“1 BARCLAYS PREMIER LEAGUE (SAT 1130) 413”

Bang in line with expectations. We already knew from the overnight rating that the peak for Fulham v Arsenal was slightly down from Liverpool v Stoke. The programme average of 413,000 is also slightly down - compares to 451,000 the week before.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“2 SCOTTISH PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE (FRI 1900) 120”

Very good rating for 2nd week in a row - SPFL is rating extremely well for BT.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“3 BT SPORT FILMS (SAT 1500) 85”

Very good rating - obviously strongly assisted by the live PL lead-in but shows a good number of people were happy to stay and watch it.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“4 SERIE A (SAT 1940) 37
7 SERIE A (SUN 1929) 17
8 BUNDESLIGA (SAT 1700) 16

1 1-BUNDESLIGA (FRI 1900) 23
2 SERIE A (SUN 1657) 18
9 FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SUN 1958) 11

6 BTSP00-FRENCH LIGUE 1 (SAT 1857) 6”

A series of pretty mediocre ratings for European football as expected. I think somewhat surprising to see just how great the margin is between SPFL and most of the European Football.
mlt11
02-09-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“One Saturday fooball rating:

Ford Saturday Night Football - 628k (4.2%)”

Poor rating though not surprising for a very low key game.

Not sure if there are any ratings available for the BT game but on the face of it likely to be only approx 50% higher than the BT game.
mlt11
02-09-2013
Reach for w/e 25/08/13:

BT Sport 1 - 1,740,000 (prior week - 1,911,000)
BT Sport 2 - 780,000 (prior week - 923,000)
ESPN - 449,000 (prior week - 502,000)

So reach down a bit for all 3 channels. In the prior week the channels were only on VM XL for 4 days so may have expected a rise to reflect that though I suspect not given that almost all attractive content is at weekends so missing VM XL for Mon to Wed the prior week was largely irrelevant.

So why is reach down a bit? Not sure really - we know the live PL game (average and peak) was down a bit but that wouldn't account for much of the difference and of course wouldn't affect BTS2 or ESPN at all. So if I was looking for a reason I think I might put it down to novelty viewing in the prior week - possibly of both the PL game and other content (ie maybe the reach of the PL game fell more than its peak and its average).

Audience share identical to prior week - ie BTS1 - 3 mins, BTS2 - 1 min and ESPN - 0 mins. In terms of % share, BTS2 rounds this week to 0.0% (prior week - 0.1%) so likely that its share is actually down a bit though it still rounds to 1 min.
casinoman13
02-09-2013
Would you say that BT would generally be pleased with those figures also considering the bigger Prem games have yet to appear on BT 1?

Yet to see this weekends game figures but I would expect it to be down considerably from the opening 2 weeks but expect it to rise a fair amount considering Man Utd are featured in 2 weeks down.
Jaycee Dove
02-09-2013
Originally Posted by citytillidie:
“I watched the 2nd half of the Man City game via the App on my Ipad and had no issues at all”

As my post notes these worked fine - it was their on line player that was in chaos.
mlt11
02-09-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Would you say that BT would generally be pleased with those figures also considering the bigger Prem games have yet to appear on BT 1?”

The trouble with any such assessment is the risk of it being subjective as what is the benchmark? BTS is a new type of operation - available for "free" to 6m BT broadband homes + 1.8m VM XL homes + as a standalone sub.

The only real benchmark we can use is ESPN. We know ESPN had approx 1m paying subs and BTS had 1m specific sign-ups as at 10th August. But we don't know how many specific sign-ups BTS has now - they grew from 500k to 1m very rapidly so I would have thought they would be well, well above 1m now - possibly in the region of 1.5m but that can only be a very approx guess.

Given the above (and they are both in VM XL so that's consistent) , we would expect BTS to be rating somewhat higher than ESPN and it is. ESPN had reach of 1,340,000 and 1,533,000 for the two comparable weeks last year and an audience share of 2 mins in both weeks.

So I think the overall ratings are about where we would expect them to be. However in terms of how the project is going as a whole I think we really have to wait 3 or 4 months at least to see just how many of those 6m BT broadband homes sign-up (plus how many paying subs are achieved). And then, of course, what the impact is on BT's broadband numbers.

In terms of individual programmes I think the pluses and minuses are:

- PL rating well despite poor timeslot and initial weak games
- SPFL rating extremely well

- European football rating poorly
- Magazine programmes rating poorly - ie nothing of any significance at all for Balding, Baker and Kelly, Lovejoy Sports Panel.

The minuses aren't really a surprise and I don't think there's much BT can do about them - BT's content is what it is and there is almost nothing else of significance available for at last 2 years.

Though it should be noted that the Aviva rugby hasn't started yet so we still don't even have any initial figures for that. The Rugby Sevens figures were encouraging so maybe the Aviva rugby will do well - we'll have to see.
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