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casinoman13
28-10-2013
That's a better prem figure than the past few, shows again the following of Liverpool, and also the Skrill Prem preformed well as well.

Interesting that Seria A still out preforms the Bundasliga and the MLS came in at number 3.

Good figure again for their Scottish football, I wonder if they were expecting it to preform that well.
mlt11
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by loyalsince:
“Was espn intro the same length as bt?”

Not quite.

BT intro = 75 mins
ESPN intro = 60 mins

Outros are the same.

So the BT programme average is very slightly depressed vs ESPN but it is only very marginal.

BT prog = 210 mins
ESPN prog = 195 mins

Even if BT audience = zero for the extra 15 mins then the BT prog audience would need uplifting by 7% to get true comparison.

In practice it obviously won't be zero - actual uplift required will be approx 4%.
Funk You
28-10-2013
I finally managed to get BT Sport streaming online as signed up to it for free. The stream performed really well and watched St Ettienne vs PSG last night. I thought the coverage was very good and I like how James Richardson is presenting as he is a great presenter and he reminds me of the times I used to watch Football Italia on CH4 Im glad BT are showing United games in the coming weeks so I'm a happy customer right now.
derek500
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“So a good week for BTS1 - its highest ever reach and its equal highest ever share - and that was achieved in a week when there was no Aviva rugby (as it was a Heineken Cup week).”

Although Mon-Fri evenings were free on Freeview for the second week running.

Must have picked some viewers up?
ArchieArchivist
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Interesting that Seria A still out preforms the Bundasliga”

It didn't the week before.

Remember, they don't have the live rights to ALL of the Bundesliga matches - just whatever four games the DFL make available. As the DFL operates something of an equal opportunities policy when it comes to selecting live games, we get quite a lot of games like Augsburg v. Mainz and Freiburg v. Bremen - matches with next to no appeal outside their respective German regions. Bayern and Dortmund, for example, are most often found only in highlights format of a Saturday night. Show them live of a Saturday evening and you'll get a much more competitive story with Serie A - a league that has had more promotion than any other in the UK over the last 20 years.

For example, the Leverkusen-Bayern match outperformed Serie A when it was shown live, so it's not really a question of the Bundesliga being less attractive per se. The live match selection definitely is.

All of this is moot, anyway. The rights to the European leagues aren't particularly expensive, and satellite channels buy them up purely as attractive filler. It's niche TV for people like me - and there aren't enough of my kind around to make investments in the European leagues anything other than schedule pluggers.

Archie.
Funk You
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Although Mon-Fri evenings were free on Freeview for the second week running.

Must have picked some viewers up?”

I viewed on freeview yesterday and liked what I saw so I signed up to free BT Sport. Much better than what Sky charge and offer
1andrew1
28-10-2013
BT's value subsidiary PlusNet has announced it will be re-selling BT Sport from 5 November. As reported previously, the monthly price for its broadband customers with Sky equipment will be £5.99 SD or £7.49 HD. Access to the BT Sport app and access via YouView should come in 2014. There will be a one-month rolling contract and no activation fee.
Widens BT Sport's potential reach but I suspect most PlusNet customers wanting it by now will have taken out a subscription directy or moved to BT.
http://community.plus.net/blog/2013/...es-to-plusnet/
casinoman13
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by ArchieArchivist:
“It didn't the week before.

Remember, they don't have the live rights to ALL of the Bundesliga matches - just whatever four games the DFL make available. As the DFL operates something of an equal opportunities policy when it comes to selecting live games, we get quite a lot of games like Augsburg v. Mainz and Freiburg v. Bremen - matches with next to no appeal outside their respective German regions. Bayern and Dortmund, for example, are most often found only in highlights format of a Saturday night. Show them live of a Saturday evening and you'll get a much more competitive story with Serie A - a league that has had more promotion than any other in the UK over the last 20 years.

For example, the Leverkusen-Bayern match outperformed Serie A when it was shown live, so it's not really a question of the Bundesliga being less attractive per se. The live match selection definitely is.

All of this is moot, anyway. The rights to the European leagues aren't particularly expensive, and satellite channels buy them up purely as attractive filler. It's niche TV for people like me - and there aren't enough of my kind around to make investments in the European leagues anything other than schedule pluggers.

Archie.”

Thanks Archie, very informative post.
casinoman13
28-10-2013
MLT11, do you have any comparison figures for the Scottish coverage with ESPN?
casinoman13
28-10-2013
Incidentley talking about Seria A, BT's live game on Weds night has been changed from AC Milan v Lazio to Fiorentina v Napoli.

I would imagine Ian Darke will still be commentating.
tvsatweek
28-10-2013
I would like them to have a bit more after woods like keep camera on the pitch at the end of the game on the players and wait until they have all walked of the pitch the go to studio or advert and have no on screen information covering the screen
casinoman13
28-10-2013
Sorry guys couldn't get a link for some reason so had to paste, interesting interview with Barney Francis and the up and coming Champion League rights.

Also hints at a possible BT and Sky split.

The TV sports giant’s managing director Barney Francis tells David Hellier that the secret to success is to keep growing in the face of increasing competition WHEN you’re head of sport at a company like Sky, the satellite broadcaster where covering live elite sport is a major driver of the business, there’s barely time to draw breath. It’s also very exciting and enjoyable. That’s certainly the impression you get when you meet Barney Francis, who has been at Sky for 14 years and who has held the top sports position in the company since July 2009. When I meet him, Francis is a man clearly boosted by first quarter company-wide results the previous week that show that, despite intense competition from the new kid on the block BT Sport, Sky is generally in pretty robust shape. He’s just come out of a staff get-together and is buzzing with the feedback he has just got. BT Sport’s entrance into the competition for sports rights has pushed up costs, to be sure, but revenues at Sky have been more resilient than some in the market have expected. Although first quarter profits showed a decline of eight per cent, shares in BSkyB, the parent company, rose to a high of 949p after the publication of the results. Despite a 20p drop on Friday, it reflects the market’s belief that the emergence of BT Sport as a rival has had little impact so far. “Overall revenue in the group is seven per cent up and we’ve sold 800,000 new subscription products, like SkyGo Extra which enables customers to access Sky content on two additional devices such as a mobile or an iPad. All this shows that we are in a great shape,” says Francis. Sky began the football season in August in full battle mode. Although there was supreme confidence internally, as ever, others viewed the goings on with a moderate amount of trepidation. Newcomer BT Sport advertised its expensively acquired Premier League matches widely and boasted how many of them were top games. But in truth Sky has withstood the barrage pretty successfully, thanks in part to its new Saturday early evening audience-led show, which has added a live Premier League match to its already strong showing of Spanish football and reports of the afternoon’s matches in the frenetic Jeff Stelling show. BT will produce its figures on Thursday, giving analysts the first real look at how successful its new sports offering has been at attracting viewers and, just as importantly, new broadband customers. But however good they are, they do not appear to have knocked Sky off its stride, at least not just yet. “It’s been the best start ever for the Premier League in viewing terms,” says Francis. Total viewing to the Sky Sports channels is up almost 15 per cent, including growth of more than 40 per cent in viewing though Sky Go. “We already had some good momentum coming into the season thanks to the live coverage of the Ashes and the Lions tour.” But, having survived the first part of the season intact, now comes another likely battle with BT Sport, which is widely expected to bid for the pay television package for the European Champions’ League. Whereas Premier League football is the bread and butter of most football fans’ viewing, the European Champions’ League is the icing on the cake for many. It would clearly be a big blow to Sky’s sports reputation if it lost out. The contract currently gives it two nights’ of peak viewing during many of the winter evenings during the football season when viewers are likely to settle in to watch matches. Some analysts, like Enders Analysis, expect BT to bid if only to push the price of the rights up from the current estimated £60m a year. There is a possibility, perhaps, that rather than sharing the rights between a terrestrial broadcaster and a pay television broadcaster, the European footballing authorities might choose two pay operators, so maybe BT Sport might share the spoils with Sky. But Francis says that where this has happened in France, where the Qatari-based BeIn Sports and Canal Plus share rights, there has been a problem with the competition losing some of its reach, which has affected its saleability for advertisers and sponsors. Francis admits that Sky is “in the market,” for the new contract for the European Champions’ League. “We know what we want to achieve out of the process,” he adds. It would not be a surprise were Sky to have factored in a substantial increase in costs for being able to retain European Champions’ League – Enders says it is likely to pay around 25 per cent more – given BT’s intervention has already cost it an increase of £220m a year in the amount it pays for Premier League rights. The answer to increasing rights costs appears to be tremendous focus on new services which will bring in additional revenues, as well as boosting broadband and telephony numbers. Sky Go Extra added 219,000 new customers in the last quarter, with Francis himself being one of those to benefit from having live sport on the go. “I watched the First Day of the Ashes Test at Trent Bridge on my iPad on the train up to the match after being delayed by meetings,” he says. “There was no trying to catch up on the score and what had happened when I arrived.” “The numbers are growing all the time,” he adds. There’s also NowTV, which charges non-subscribers £9.99 a time for 24 hours access to Sky, which Francis reckons is pretty good value. Francis recognises that Sky is not all about sports. £600m a year is spent on entertainment, comedy, and drama. And that’s hugely important to the business. And, he says, he’s equally passionate about getting more broadband customers. “This company has diversified and grown significantly and the customer base continues to rise.” He gives the impression that he can live with a competitor like BT Sport and downplays suggestions that Sky tried to strangle the new competitor at birth in the summer, with the so-called “project purple”. “We have 24,000 employees and 100 projects from month to month. There’s no more science behind it than that. We knew there was always somebody that was going to take at least two of the Premier League packages. “So we galvanised and came up with a plan. The idea that there was a cloak and dagger plan behind closed doors has been much written about.” Then he says that what’s great about his part of the business is that there are 660 people who, if they weren’t working on sport at Sky, would all be watching it at home. And with that thought he was off to the next meeting, no doubt planning his next move to thwart BT Sport. - See more at: http://www.cityam.com/article/1382933274
mlt11
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“MLT11, do you have any comparison figures for the Scottish coverage with ESPN?”

Not quickly to hand - sorry.

But they will all be on the BARB website if you want to go through and extract them - see link to top 10s below (adjust filters to change dates).

I also don't have records re which matches have been shown.

http://www.barb.co.uk/viewing/weekly-top-10?_s=4
ArchieArchivist
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Incidentley talking about Seria A, BT's live game on Weds night has been changed from AC Milan v Lazio to Fiorentina v Napoli.

I would imagine Ian Darke will still be commentating.”

That's an excellent, informed decision. Milan and Lazio are also-rans this season. Fiorentina and Napoli are contenders. It's good to see somebody with a bit of nous at BT Sport.

Archie.
1andrew1
28-10-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Sorry guys couldn't get a link for some reason so had to paste”

This link works now.
fodg09
29-10-2013
Quite a good article in The Guardian about reassessed expectations at BT Sport a couple of months into the new season.

Quote:
“The bullish bravado from the eve of the launch has vanished, to be replaced by a more sober, cautious appreciation of the challenge ahead in competing with Sky Sports, which has lavished billions of pounds and millions of man hours in establishing a dominant position in the sports broadcasting market.

Headlines about some programmes that have rated zero on the official measurement scale, a mixed critical reaction to the live studio-based shows that fill its weekday prime-time schedule, some customer relations issues and the stark reality of the long slog ahead have tempered the buzz of the initial advertising onslaught that heralded the arrival of a genuine competitor to Sky.

BT, which shelled out £738m for 38 Premier League matches per season including 18 "first picks", has not brought in appreciably bigger audiences than the previous rights holder ESPN despite paying almost three times as much for its rights package.

The BT Sport head, Simon Green, insists he is happy with the numbers and believes Jake Humphrey and co are making headway in building the Saturday lunchtime audience, traditionally a tougher time to attract viewers who may be on their way to sporting events or doing other things.

He points to Newcastle United's recent match with Liverpool, one of BT's "first pick" games, to illustrate the point. It had an average of 724,000 viewers, peaking at 832,000. That was more than ESPN got for the same game last season in the 5.30pm slot.”

http://www.theguardian.com/media/blo...ort?CMP=twt_gu
casinoman13
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by fodg09:
“Quite a good article in The Guardian about reassessed expectations at BT Sport a couple of months into the new season.



http://www.theguardian.com/media/blo...ort?CMP=twt_gu”

Wow 724 is some figure, more like that I hear BT saying.

The article is a very good read.
mlt11
29-10-2013
"He points to Newcastle United's recent match with Liverpool, one of BT's "first pick" games, to illustrate the point. It had an average of 724,000 viewers, peaking at 832,000. That was more than ESPN got for the same game last season in the 5.30pm slot."

Just to clarify / confirm:

724,000 will be the match average.

496,000 as posted in post 2422 (and per BARB website) is the programme average (as indeed all the figures for both BT and ESPN in post 2422 are all programme averages).
wal28
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by casinoman13:
“Incidentley talking about Seria A, BT's live game on Weds night has been changed from AC Milan v Lazio to Fiorentina v Napoli.

I would imagine Ian Darke will still be commentating.”

Great call! Milan-Lazio despite being a game that involves two of the 7 sisters is not really the sort of game that is going to shape the destiny of Serie A this season.

Fiorentina-Napoli on the other hand...hopefully they will do a 90 minute wrap of the Milan-Lazio fixture
bluesdiamond
29-10-2013
Last Year ESPN has France and Italy rugby Interantionals. Seems with all the messing around of BT acquiring ESPN they have gone to Sky.
So 8th/9th/10th and 15th/16th/17th November weekends

No Club Rugby, Sky has one match each weekend from the Anglo Welsh LV Cup. Plus three Internationals, England, France and Italy (next year Ireland).
BBC has Scotland, Wales and this year Ireland.

No Premier League, 9th and 10th all four games are on Sky Sports,
Scottish League BT have one match on the 9th.
Weekend 8th-10th two FA Cup games will be on BT.
Weekend 15th-17th is internationals (World Cup Play offs in Europe) anyone know which games will be shown in the UK?

Anyway to my question.
Nations that play in the European Nations (second tier 6 nations) have matches like the 6 Nations teams

in UK times I hope
9th Nov 12.30 Georgia v Canada
15.00 Portugal v Fiji
17.00 Romania v Tonga

15th Nov Russia v Japan 19.30 (at Colwyn Bay Wales)
16th Nov Georgia v USA 10.00
Romania v Canada 17.00

23rd Nov Georgia v Samoa 12.30
Russia v USA 15.00 Allianz Park
Portugal v Canada 15.00
Spain v Japan 15.00
Romania v Fiji 17.00

will any of these have a live feed or be broadcast anywhere? With it seems a bare cupboard could any feed be taken by BT as a filler?
Should BT (if they can make a better job of things than Setanta and ESPN) in the future attempt to get Autumn Internationals from Europes big 6 in the Future?

The first rights that come up are England 2016-????. Would be a coup for BT, how much would Sky fight for such rights?

Anglo-Welsh Cup rights conclude 2014 which would again fill the gap in BT's schedule. It of course used it used to be on BBC, with losing Ireland games would BBC look at partnership with BT (or would BT want to go alone?).
chrisfinch
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by bluesdiamond:
“ Anglo-Welsh Cup rights conclude 2014 which would again fill the gap in BT's schedule. It of course used it used to be on BBC, with losing Ireland games would BBC look at partnership with BT (or would BT want to go alone?).”

Except its a right mickey mouse competition so it's hard to see anybody spending anything significant to show it.
The Difference
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by ArchieArchivist:
“Remember, they don't have the live rights to ALL of the Bundesliga matches - just whatever four games the DFL make available. As the DFL operates something of an equal opportunities policy when it comes to selecting live games, we get quite a lot of games like Augsburg v. Mainz and Freiburg v. Bremen - matches with next to no appeal outside their respective German regions. Bayern and Dortmund, for example, are most often found only in highlights format of a Saturday night. Show them live of a Saturday evening and you'll get a much more competitive story with Serie A - a league that has had more promotion than any other in the UK over the last 20 years.

For example, the Leverkusen-Bayern match outperformed Serie A when it was shown live, so it's not really a question of the Bundesliga being less attractive per se. The live match selection definitely is.”

To add to this, it's noticeable that in weeks after European matches, the Bundesliga games picked out for Sunday afternoon coverage will always be those involving the German clubs who have been in Europa League action three days earlier. You rarely if ever have a situation in Germany when there are more than two games taking place on a Sunday as you do with the Premier League, where you'll have games picked out for UK TV coverage and then others moved due to the Europa League. This season Eintracht Frankfurt and SC Freiburg are Germany's representatives in the Europa League group phase and I think it's fair to say that neither would be viewed as glamour clubs by an international audience. In short, the DFL and/or the domestic broadcasters don't muck around with the pattern of the normal fixture list if external factors mean that certain games have to be played on particular days.

I should also point out that all nine games of each Bundesliga matchround are televised live in Germany and it appears to me as if Sky Sport Deutschland like to be able to show at least one of the more appealing fixtures involving a title contender as a 3.30pm CET kick-off time. The Saturday 6.30pm CET kick-off tends to be the best game of the week (with it dubbed by Sky Sport as the "Topspiel der Woche") and the Friday night game is typically one of the better matches of the weekend. But yes, the Sunday games can be a bit of a mixed bag.
bluesdiamond
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by chrisfinch:
“Except its a right mickey mouse competition so it's hard to see anybody spending anything significant to show it.”

I was not expecting a bidding war.
But with four internationals a week next year, would Sky want was is a 'filler'?
Would BT? Or would they play a long game and attempt o wrestle some International contracts? FTA TV viewers could lose out here,
tvsatweek
29-10-2013
www.live-footballontv.com
Alex2606
29-10-2013
Originally Posted by chrisfinch:
“Except its a right mickey mouse competition so it's hard to see anybody spending anything significant to show it.”

Originally Posted by bluesdiamond:
“Should BT (if they can make a better job of things than Setanta and ESPN) in the future attempt to get Autumn Internationals from Europes big 6 in the Future?

The first rights that come up are England 2016-????. Would be a coup for BT, how much would Sky fight for such rights?

Anglo-Welsh Cup rights conclude 2014 which would again fill the gap in BT's schedule. It of course used it used to be on BBC, with losing Ireland games would BBC look at partnership with BT (or would BT want to go alone?).”

Two points to make,

1) There's no guarantee that there will be an Anglo-Welsh competition after 2014

2) Sky don't have a deal with the RFU for the Autumn internationals, they have a deal to show England games home and away outside of the Six Nations and the World Cup

http://www.rfu.com/news/2008/novembe...yfootballunion
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