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is callum just making this stuff up?
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LOBCITY
02-08-2013
He's exaggerating everything just like Dexter does.
Jak14
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“I'm not ready to write him off as an out and our liar just yet. Stuff with Dexter doesn't sit well with me. I think he has been antagonising Callum and, boy, does he know it! Trouble is I think Callum over eggs the pudding, milks it and exaggerates to garner sympathy. That's not a great quality but it doesn't take away from the fact that Dexter's behaviour is just not normal either. People are quick to excuse his behaviour as he's seen as a panto villain. But he's not. He's an adult. It's not normal, or pleasant, for a normal adult to get their kicks from goading someone like that and generally being a stirring little gobshite.”

Give us examples of Dexter's behaviour that you say isn't normal, there is plenty of evidence to support claims that Cullum's behaviour is weird.....All we know about Dexter's behaviour that Cullum tells Sam (us) about, we don't really see any of it......Unless you can prove me wrong and supply a few clips.
Miriam_R
02-08-2013
I cannot understand him, really. I find him much harder to get than Dexter. if his thoughts on Dex are true and we've just not been privy to it then fair enough, but surely BB would have shown all this (say if Dex had been making Callum feel inadequate about his social/ financial standing). No doubt BB has shown that they both clearly dislike each other and we've seen both have opinions on each other (not all of which are nice, for either) but the bit that surfaced in this recent task I just don't quite get from Callum. All his thoughts on Dex before the task I don't have any reason to doubt ...(as same for Dex thoughts on Callum) , but it's just what has surfaced since this task that I have a query on.
Sandie_Browne
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by newgirl55:
“in his mind and thinks that its all lreal?

Nothing he says seems to be true but its like he believes it ”

If you watch the live feed you will see the truth, and Dexter does do all, and more of what Callum says he does, the slimey sssssssssnake
magicmelody
02-08-2013
Well 2 nights of live feed sure exposed the truth about Callum. That's why his odds plummeted.
Wee Tinkers
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Jak14:
“Give us examples of Dexter's behaviour that you say isn't normal, there is plenty of evidence to support claims that Cullum's behaviour is weird.....All we know about Dexter's behaviour that Cullum tells Sam (us) about, we don't really see any of it......Unless you can prove me wrong and supply a few clips.”

I already have in my other posts. Feel free to read them. Getting kicks from goading, antagonising, making statements about destroying people and saying he'll 'do' Callum if he effs with him is not normal behaviour. For a comic book villain perhaps, but for an adult no, it's not.It's really not. Who talks like that?! D&C are cut from fairly similar cloth imo. People say Dex's unique, I say he sure is because i don't know anyone who acts like that. At first i liked it but this Callum business is disturbing and Dex's part in it isn't so great.
Jak14
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“I already have in my other posts. Feel free to read them. Getting kicks from goading, antagonising, making statements about destroying people and saying he'll 'do' Callum if he effs with him is not normal behaviour. For a comic book villain perhaps, but for an adult no, it's not.It's really not. Who talks like that?! D&C are cut from fairly similar cloth imo. People say Dex's unique, I say he sure is because i don't know anyone who acts like that. At first i liked it but this Callum business is disturbing and Dex's part in it isn't so great.”

I could see where you are coming from if I had seen Dexter act in this way, I don't think he's ever said to Callum "he will destroy him".....I remeber Dexter going to Callum in the kitchen trying to sort things out between them (before Charlie interrupted)butCallum having none of it, Dexter said something then about Callum messing with him and he would pay............

Can't you see that Callum is enjoying having Dexter as an enemy more than Dexter is.....

It's part of Callums game IMO he's milking every opportunity he has to belittle Dexter.......

Bedding 1000 girls might have been a lie, but Callum was spot on in his interview when he said he has the ability to belittle people......Look how is trying to make Charlie feel all because she dared to nominate him, surely you are not blind to that as well?
amelie74
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Sandie_Browne:
“If you watch the live feed you will see the truth, and Dexter does do all, and more of what Callum says he does, the slimey sssssssssnake”

Two night's LF exposed Callum to me as a malicious, manipulative liar with an inferiority complex. We all see things differently.

I never trust anyone who keeps saying they're a nice guy as Callum does. It's for others to recognise it for themselves.
Wee Tinkers
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Jak14:
“I could see where you are coming from if I had seen Dexter act in this way, I don't think he's ever said to Callum "he will destroy him".....I remeber Dexter going to Callum in the kitchen trying to sort things out between them (before Charlie interrupted)butCallum having none of it, Dexter said something then about Callum messing with him and he would pay............
Can't you see that Callum is enjoying having Dexter as an enemy more than Dexter is.....
It's part of Callums game IMO he's milking every opportunity he has to belittle Dexter.......
Bedding 1000 girls might have been a lie, but Callum was spot on in his interview when he said he has the ability to belittle people......Look how is trying to make Charlie feel all because she dared to nominate him, surely you are not blind to that as well?”

I'm not trying to change minds and I'm not a Callum fan or Dexter 'hater'. What I think of Callum is entirely separate to this - that's a whole other thread - and, believe me, it's not good. For me it's not Dexter V Callum. Neither come across well. But from the Callum business there are things that I see about Dexter that don't sit right with me and he's the one I've been up and down on. I loved him at one time and wanted to believe the good heart nonsense.

I can only go by what I've seen. Dexter DID say he would 'do him' blah, blah, blah, and that will never be a normal thing to say to anyone in my eyes. He did wink or blow a kiss to C which the others said would indeed piss them off. We do know Callum was on Dexter's radar as far back as the SH as he said all he wanted to do was watch him. When C was telling D about how he feels D tries to belittle him D just got up while C was mid-sentence to make pancakes or something which kind of proved the point!

These may seem like innocuous incidents but, for me, coupled with the sneaky behaviour so many of the others, and even Dexter himself, have alluded to - could they all be so wrong about him - I can't help have a feeling he's not so pleasant after all. For me, what I have seen may not categorically prove C's claims, but it does little to contradict them and kind of supports them. Enough for me to have my doubts about Dexter.

Again, none of this takes away from the fact that I think callum twists things to garner sympathy, and was out of order with his 'homosexual assault' comments.
Wee Tinkers
02-08-2013
Heh, tried to edit ^^^ post but couldn't. Sorry, it's very hard to read: 'C did so D said that D' :-o Too many Cs & Ds. Impossible on this bloody iPod. And that is why you'll never get a link from me. I have trouble just typing on this thing.
Jak14
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“I'm not trying to change minds and I'm not a Callum fan or Dexter 'hater'. What I think of Callum is entirely separate to this - that's a whole other thread - and, believe me, it's not good. For me it's not Dexter V Callum. Neither come across well. But from the Callum business there are things that I see about Dexter that don't sit right with me and he's the one I've been up and down on. I loved him at one time and wanted to believe the good heart nonsense.

I can only go by what I've seen. Dexter DID say he would 'do him' blah, blah, blah, and that will never be a normal thing to say to anyone in my eyes. He did wink or blow a kiss to C which the others said would indeed piss them off. We do know Callum was on Dexter's radar as far back as the SH as he said all he wanted to do was watch him. When C was telling D about how he feels D tries to belittle him D just got up while C was mid-sentence to make pancakes or something which kind of proved the point!

These may seem like innocuous incidents but, for me, coupled with the sneaky behaviour so many of the others, and even Dexter himself, have alluded to - could they all be so wrong about him - I can't help have a feeling he's not so pleasant after all. For me, what I have seen may not categorically prove C's claims, but it does little to contradict them and kind of supports them. Enough for me to have my doubts about Dexter.

Again, none of this takes away from the fact that I think callum twists things to garner sympathy, and was out of order with his 'homosexual assault' comments.”

You are taking Dexters remarks as a one way conversation.....he said them in a conversation where firstly he had gone to Callum to try and clear things up between them but Callum didn't want to know, then we had Callums boring convos about his intelligence and Dexters intelligence:yawn: in Callums own words he says "He likes to belittle people" so what lead upto Dexter saying what he did? then Callum did the most disgusting thing by repeating what was said weeks later in the most unsavoury manner, that was below the belt even for Callum.

In the SH Dexter was watching Callum as by that time no-one in the houye was buying his Mr Nice Guy act.....Unlike Gina with Hazel he did not pick on him all the time........The twins are about the only HM's who haven't said they like Dexter now, yeah he still gets nominated but then so do they......All the HM's find Callum cringy there must be a reason for that.

Callum's only problem with being winked at is because the other HM's laugh, he has no sense of humour what so ever......Honestly if he doesn't like it why does he look at Dexter.
kazmartins
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“I'm not ready to write him off as an out and our liar just yet. Stuff with Dexter doesn't sit well with me. I think he has been antagonising Callum and, boy, does he know it! Trouble is I think Callum over eggs the pudding, milks it and exaggerates to garner sympathy. That's not a great quality but it doesn't take away from the fact that Dexter's behaviour is just not normal either. People are quick to excuse his behaviour as he's seen as a panto villain. But he's not. He's an adult. It's not normal, or pleasant, for a normal adult to get their kicks from goading someone like that and generally being a stirring little gobshite.”

But you could say the same about Callum he has been goading, antagonising Dexter making out things are worse trying to set the whole house against him and making out he is a victim - Do you really think that someone in the house would not of SEEN Dexters so called winks, kisses and hugs and commented on it - the house is tiny and they are hardly ever on their own - Its full of mirrors ffs someone who has been evicted or in the house would have commented by now - for me callum is a little shit stirring liar who needs to take a good look at himself.
Wee Tinkers
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Jak14:
“You are taking Dexters remarks as a one way conversation...

In the SH Dexter was watching Callum as by that time no-one in the houye was buying his Mr Nice Guy act....All the HM's find Callum cringy there must be a reason for that.

Callum's only problem with being winked at is because the other HM's laugh, he has no sense of humour what so ever......Honestly if he doesn't like it why does he look at Dexter.”

It doesn't matter (to me) how the conversation led to that point. I don't doubt C was making all kinds of ludicrous melodramatic statements, but I'm disappointed that D met like with like. I can see no occasion where I'd feel the need to warn someone I'd do them if they messed with me. It's not a normal way to speak. Say, 'Callum, you're being weird, talking shyte', whatever, but the fact that D countered crazy talk with crazy talk suggests he's cut from the same cloth and inflammatory to the situation.

SH point I take on board. It's unsurprising he was watching C. He had alarm bells ringing with Nice Guy act.

Cringey is not in the same league as manipulative or sneaky. Cringey doesn't indicate a bad egg. Consensus in the house was that Dexter was untrustworthy, stirrer and 'snakey'. Much more underhand than the consensus that Callum's cringey. Although now they seem to have settled on charming and loveable snake. Perhaps they see him as a panto villain too. I don't.

Yes, C is humourless, but that's no reason for D to continue winding him up. It's not banter. It's unnecessary. Reflects well on neither of them.
DavetheSensible
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“Yes, C is humourless, but that's no reason for D to continue winding him up. It's not banter. It's unnecessary. Reflects well on neither of them.”

I really think that in Dexter's case it's just 'soft target, wind him up and watch him go.
And in Callum's case it's 'good morning world. I hate Dexter'
Wee Tinkers
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by kazmartins:
“But you could say the same about Callum he has been goading, antagonising Dexter making out things are worse trying to set the whole house against him and making out he is a victim - Do you really think that someone in the house would not of SEEN Dexters so called winks, kisses and hugs and commented on it - the house is tiny and they are hardly ever on their own - Its full of mirrors ffs someone who has been evicted or in the house would have commented by now - for me callum is a little shit stirring liar who needs to take a good look at himself.”

You could indeed say that. Wouldn't disagree BUT none of that negates Dexter's part in it.

(and I'm fairly sure Dex winked or blew a kiss the other night when the others were there, and they spoke about how annoying they would find it.)

Originally Posted by DavetheSensible:
“I really think that in Dexter's case it's just 'soft target, wind him up and watch him go.
And in Callum's case it's 'good morning world. I hate Dexter'”

Yeah, think you're right. I just wonder where Callum's hate has come from. Has Dexter been picking away at him and Charlie's rejection the final straw...or was it the only straw? We'll never know because of neither of thenthem can give a straight or lucid answer.
momoriro
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Miriam_R:
“I cannot understand him, really. I find him much harder to get than Dexter. if his thoughts on Dex are true and we've just not been privy to it then fair enough, but surely BB would have shown all this (say if Dex had been making Callum feel inadequate about his social/ financial standing). No doubt BB has shown that they both clearly dislike each other and we've seen both have opinions on each other (not all of which are nice, for either) but the bit that surfaced in this recent task I just don't quite get from Callum. All his thoughts on Dex before the task I don't have any reason to doubt ...(as same for Dex thoughts on Callum) , but it's just what has surfaced since this task that I have a query on.”

Originally Posted by Jak14:
“I could see where you are coming from if I had seen Dexter act in this way, I don't think he's ever said to Callum "he will destroy him".....I remeber Dexter going to Callum in the kitchen trying to sort things out between them (before Charlie interrupted)butCallum having none of it, Dexter said something then about Callum messing with him and he would pay............

Can't you see that Callum is enjoying having Dexter as an enemy more than Dexter is.....

It's part of Callums game IMO he's milking every opportunity he has to belittle Dexter.......

Bedding 1000 girls might have been a lie, but Callum was spot on in his interview when he said he has the ability to belittle people......Look how is trying to make Charlie feel all because she dared to nominate him, surely you are not blind to that as well?”

Originally Posted by Jak14:
“You are taking Dexters remarks as a one way conversation.....he said them in a conversation where firstly he had gone to Callum to try and clear things up between them but Callum didn't want to know, then we had Callums boring convos about his intelligence and Dexters intelligence:yawn: in Callums own words he says "He likes to belittle people" so what lead upto Dexter saying what he did? then Callum did the most disgusting thing by repeating what was said weeks later in the most unsavoury manner, that was below the belt even for Callum.

In the SH Dexter was watching Callum as by that time no-one in the houye was buying his Mr Nice Guy act.....Unlike Gina with Hazel he did not pick on him all the time........The twins are about the only HM's who haven't said they like Dexter now, yeah he still gets nominated but then so do they......All the HM's find Callum cringy there must be a reason for that.

Callum's only problem with being winked at is because the other HM's laugh, he has no sense of humour what so ever......Honestly if he doesn't like it why does he look at Dexter.”


It's all in Callums head when Dexter is talking about his life in London, it makes Callum feel inadequate but how would Dex know what's going on in Callum's head? He hasn't realised until lately as have we all, what an absolute raving , lunatic Callum is.
Perhaps Dexter would not brag and embellish as much as he does if he knew the jealous monster Callum is becoming while listening.
If Callum can not contain his jealously while listening , why does he not remove himself and not listen too Dex?
Dex has been a bit of a WUM where Callums concerned but none of it malicious ,certainly no worse than any other HM's, Callum has more than given as good as he got anyhow. Until lately we see a very dark, dangerous, hatred from Callum, if I were Dex I would be very afraid.
Callum has an tendency to over think and then over talk everything and in the process becoming mad as a box of frogs on acid.
So much for Mr Nice-guy that facade has well and truly gone for a Burton!
I don't like Dex coz of his backstory but other than that I love him.
Reality Sucks
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“You could indeed say that. Wouldn't disagree BUT none of that negates Dexter's part in it.

(and I'm fairly sure Dex winked or blew a kiss the other night when the others were there, and they spoke about how annoying they would find it.)



Yeah, think you're right. I just wonder where Callum's hate has come from. Has Dexter been picking away at him and Charlie's rejection the final straw...or was it the only straw? We'll never know because of neither of thenthem can give a straight or lucid answer.”

He did, but he did it because Callum was holding court (as usual) talking about Dexter.
Reality Sucks
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“

Yeah, think you're right. I just wonder where Callum's hate has come from. Has Dexter been picking away at him and Charlie's rejection the final straw...or was it the only straw? We'll never know because of neither of thenthem can give a straight or lucid answer.”

Then first time we saw the irrational hate from Callum was after Dexter and GIna returned from the safe house and Callum had a bit of a rant about him in the kitchen. He objected to the fact that Dexter was advising Hazel and Daley on how things looked from the outside. The twins and Sophie were there and they just looked gobsmacked when he went off on one.
DavetheSensible
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“Yeah, think you're right. I just wonder where Callum's hate has come from. Has Dexter been picking away at him and Charlie's rejection the final straw...or was it the only straw?”

Perhaps it's just because he's a ******.

EDIT: Blimey - first time I've used that word, and I ended up with asterisks! OK, I'll raise you one Ivor Biggun song!!!
DavetheSensible
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“The twins and Sophie were there and they just looked gobsmacked when he went off on one.”

Though to be fair Sophie would gobsmacked at anything and The Twins at anything edible (or not if they hadn't tried it before)
kazmartins
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“Then first time we saw the irrational hate from Callum was after Dexter and GIna returned from the safe house and Callum had a bit of a rant about him in the kitchen. He objected to the fact that Dexter was advising Hazel and Daley on how things looked from the outside. The twins and Sophie were there and they just looked gobsmacked when he went off on one.”

The rant had racist undertones as well when he mimiced Dexter with a asian accent - I thought WTF????
Wee Tinkers
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“Then first time we saw the irrational hate from Callum was after Dexter and GIna returned from the safe house and Callum had a bit of a rant about him in the kitchen. He objected to the fact that Dexter was advising Hazel and Daley on how things looked from the outside. The twins and Sophie were there and they just looked gobsmacked when he went off on one.”

And if I remember rightly Callum had tried to advise Daley on that one too and got shot down. Wonder if Callum is just angry that he hasn't ended up the house's 'wise one' as he'd hoped and is pissed off at being continually usurped (as he sees it) by the likes of Dexter. Helped along with a little help of Dexter being a wind up merchant, of course. Charlie preferring Dexter would certainly be the final straw.
Wee Tinkers
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by kazmartins:
“The rant had racist undertones as well when he mimiced Dexter with a asian accent - I thought WTF????”

Seriously? I would love to see that clip. I believe you, just really like to see it.
Flight815-23D
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Wee Tinkers:
“Seriously? I would love to see that clip. I believe you, just really like to see it.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvQ_Ow_YdP8

Callum was going over the edge weeks ago, it's a bit amazing he hasn't been removed when you look at it over time.
kazmartins
02-08-2013
Originally Posted by Flight815-23D:
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvQ_Ow_YdP8

Callum was going over the edge weeks ago, it's a bit amazing he hasn't been removed when you look at it over time.”

He should have been given a warning for that - it was disgusting - does he take the piss out of hazel for the accent she HAS - no so why act like Dexter has a asian accent?
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