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Old 05-08-2013, 22:50
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I never used Google Play music on my phone to purchase before. So I bought a track today...

First problem - the track didnt download. Instead it was playable ober the web - crap i thought.

So I followed instructions to save to the phone - It pined the track and a download type notification appeared.

I then went to Play the track in my phones music player Power Amp instead of the Play app - nothing.

The song was supposed to be on the phone but wasn't.

I looked around the complex and ridiculous file system to find where the mp3 was - couldn't.

I then found out you have to go onto your PC and physically download the song via play online - then re-copy to the phones Music folder......

I cant believe you cant physically download the file to your phone easily !


itunes anyone??? ! - what a complete farce ! It took half an hour to figure all that out. Classic Android
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Old 05-08-2013, 22:57
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Surely that can't be right. You must be able to buy the song from your phone and download it directly TO your phone.
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Old 05-08-2013, 23:36
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I think Music downloaded from Google Play can only be played via the Listen app. It caches it in some odd location.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/goo...sic-songs.html
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Old 06-08-2013, 00:33
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Surely that can't be right. You must be able to buy the song from your phone and download it directly TO your phone.
I think Music downloaded from Google Play can only be played via the Listen app. It caches it in some odd location.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/goo...sic-songs.html
Exactly ! Stupid.

It saved in a obscure area and I couldn't find it. It doesn't save to the music folder which means your phones native music player or music player app like power amp can't see it to add to library!

Totally daft.
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Old 06-08-2013, 00:48
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I think Music downloaded from Google Play can only be played via the Listen app. It caches it in some odd location.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/goo...sic-songs.html
I meant Play Music app - Listen was the podcast app and is discontinued I think.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:14
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This is one of the reasons I stick with the iPhone, everything is so simple and just works. And you don't even have to put the phone anywhere near a computer or iTunes nowadays, you can update software wirelessly, you can backup via the cloud too, heck I've even got an app that let's me download music mp3's directly to the phone.

Really don't know why they over complicate simple things on Android.
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:39
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This is one of the reasons I stick with the iPhone, everything is so simple and just works. And you don't even have to put the phone anywhere near a computer or iTunes nowadays, you can update software wirelessly, you can backup via the cloud too, heck I've even got an app that let's me download music mp3's directly to the phone.

Really don't know why they over complicate simple things on Android.
You're confusing the process of buying and playing music in general with the way one particular music app works. Play Music is just one streaming/cloud music service with also offers the ability to cache the content locally. If you are expecting it to operate like itunes or Amazon Music etc then you'll be disappointed.

The only thing it says about Android is that there are lots of services to choose from.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:42
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You're confusing the process of buying and playing music in general with the way one particular music app works. Play Music is just one streaming/cloud music service with also offers the ability to cache the content locally. If you are expecting it to operate like itunes or Amazon Music etc then you'll be disappointed.

The only thing it says about Android is that there are lots of services to choose from.
To be honnest as a Android user this is beginning to bug me. I have Amazon, 7 Digital and Play Music....

each app downloads to its own folder burried away in the system

each app when you have bought music actually doesn't physically give you the file

each app has no way to sync across platform so when you turn on the PC your song is there.


Its too complicated and farcical is android sometimes. Its fragmented nature and "choice" actually inhibits.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:59
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Everything is slowly becoming cloud based, I guess. No need to keep masses of media filling up your device memory, just download/stream on demand. As your libraries are stored online, you can access it from any device as and when necessary.

Each of these app stores has its own method of caching/securing this content. Still anything you do shove onto local media folders from a PC should still be playable. Bit of a pain if you want to compile a collection to take with you on a trip with little or no access to the internet, but if you pin everything you want accessible offline before hand and are willing to let it decide where it keeps it, it does work fairly well.
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:41
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Yes. I bought one song from google play and I'll never buy anything again. I had to download it to my computer and then transfer it across to my phone. Such a faff on.
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:42
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Everything is slowly becoming cloud based, I guess. No need to keep masses of media filling up your device memory, just download/stream on demand. As your libraries are stored online, you can access it from any device as and when necessary.
This. In the Google Music model, you don't download onto your computer/phone/tablet at all. Its there, ready to play, from any browser, on pretty much any device.

Now, yes, its sometimes overly reliant on having an internet connection, and to add your Google Music purchases to Amazon Cloud Player, or vice versa, is a little bit of a faff (or even iTunes Match if you had to) but then you're done.
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:45
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Yes. I bought one song from google play and I'll never buy anything again. I had to download it to my computer and then transfer it across to my phone. Such a faff on.
why not just pin it?
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:22
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I still come back to the main failing of cloud services for me - the times when you don't have a connection - like on an aeroplane. I'm just so used to carrying my music collection around with me in its entirety. I don't know what I fancy listening to in advance, so I like to have the whole thing stored on the device.

I know that's not Google's business model, but I still think the majority of people would expect to just have the songs on the phone.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:45
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I still come back to the main failing of cloud services for me - the times when you don't have a connection - like on an aeroplane. I'm just so used to carrying my music collection around with me in its entirety. I don't know what I fancy listening to in advance, so I like to have the whole thing stored on the device.

I know that's not Google's business model, but I still think the majority of people would expect to just have the songs on the phone.
I agree + Songs ALL in the same Music folder for any music store app downlaods.

Because at the moment its all fragmented across the stupid file system - burried and hidden.

Apple are vastly superior in this area and the Google model is horrid. .... ALSO you can only download the song 2 times ! ! ! ! ! !
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Old 06-08-2013, 12:38
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why not just pin it?
Because I wanted to use it in other players.
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Old 06-08-2013, 13:00
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I find the easiest way is to use my laptop to manage it - install the desktop application, get that to download all my music (to a location of my choosing....) and from there if I want a copy on another device I just copy the mp3s, though normally I just stream to my phone.

Works pretty well for me...
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Old 06-08-2013, 13:19
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When you "pin" a track to the Google Music, it is only available for Google Music. The file for the music will be attached to the data storage on Google Music which is in the /data/data/ part of the file system, which can only be access by the Google Music apps (because of android security) or if you are a rooted user.

Even then you won't be able to play it as I believe it will be in some weird format (like how ipods save the file i think...)

To get the .mp3 you will need to go to the website and download the file, and then copy it to the sdcard section of your drive.

Basically, pin anything in Google Music, you can only play it on Google Music.
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Old 06-08-2013, 13:36
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To get the .mp3 you will need to go to the website and download the file, and then copy it to the sdcard section of your drive.

Basically, pin anything in Google Music, you can only play it on Google Music.
At the risk of repeating myself...

To get your mp3's easily:

Install the Google Play Music Manager from this page on your pc/mac/linux etc

When you run it you'll be prompted to sign in to your Google account.

Click on the "Download" tab, then press the "Download My Library" button. It will download all your music, to wherever you want, as plain old mp3's that you can copy/move to as many of your different devices as you want
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Old 06-08-2013, 19:20
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I have Amazon, 7 Digital and Play Music....

each app when you have bought music actually doesn't physically give you the file
Can't speak for 7 Digital, but Amazon MP3 does indeed give you the MP3 file - it saves them within /amazonmp3 - not tricky to find, really.
each app has no way to sync across platform so when you turn on the PC your song is there.
As already mentioned, you can do this with Google Music Manager.
Apple are vastly superior in this area and the Google model is horrid. .... ALSO you can only download the song 2 times ! ! ! ! ! !
How many times do you want to download the damn thing? Surely you just download it once and then look after it?!
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Old 06-08-2013, 19:47
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Woo-hoo thanks for that just found mine & blootoothed them to my computer. Nice copy.
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Old 06-08-2013, 20:43
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How many times do you want to download the damn thing? Surely you just download it once and then look after it?!
You can download tracks as many times as you like.
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Old 06-08-2013, 20:45
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You can download tracks as many times as you like.
Using GMM, yes. late8 is correct though that you can only download them twice from the web interface.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:03
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I never used Google Play music on my phone to purchase before. So I bought a track today...

First problem - the track didnt download. Instead it was playable ober the web - crap i thought.

So I followed instructions to save to the phone - It pined the track and a download type notification appeared.

I then went to Play the track in my phones music player Power Amp instead of the Play app - nothing.

The song was supposed to be on the phone but wasn't.

I looked around the complex and ridiculous file system to find where the mp3 was - couldn't.

I then found out you have to go onto your PC and physically download the song via play online - then re-copy to the phones Music folder......

I cant believe you cant physically download the file to your phone easily !


itunes anyone??? ! - what a complete farce ! It took half an hour to figure all that out. Classic Android
This is how it works, it's a STREAMING service. I personally love Google Music, I buy stuff on my phone all the time and play it online or pin it to the device if I'm away from a network connection. I then remove it afterwards.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:04
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To be honnest as a Android user this is beginning to bug me. I have Amazon, 7 Digital and Play Music....

each app downloads to its own folder burried away in the system

each app when you have bought music actually doesn't physically give you the file

each app has no way to sync across platform so when you turn on the PC your song is there.


Its too complicated and farcical is android sometimes. Its fragmented nature and "choice" actually inhibits.
Er, when I buy a song from Google Music on my phone, it's also playable on my PC when I turn it ion
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:54
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I understand that you want to play these songs you download in other players, however Google doesn't want you to. This is why everything stays within Google Play Music. I have never had any issues with it. I downloaded the music manager to my PC and now all my music from iTunes, Amazon, Play etc. are all in the one place on my phone - in the Play Music app.

It's the same with Apple on the iPhone. You download everything through iTunes and Apple want you to use it all through the Music app. There are very few alternative music players/downloaders available for the iPhone/iPod purely because Apple won't allow them.
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