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Old 06-08-2013, 23:46
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Fridays episode was the sparkle of hope, but its back to its 'best' this week.

Obviously we need to be patient and wait for DTC to work his magic.

I just do not understand how it got this way. since the turn of the year it has just become SO dull.

Lack of meaty stories is an issue. Laurens drinking is the only one I can recall.

Sorry to add to the EE hate threads on here but needed to get it out!
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Old 06-08-2013, 23:49
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Fridays episode was the sparkle of hope, but its back to its 'best' this week.

Obviously we need to be patient and wait for DTC to work his magic.

I just do not understand how it got this way. since the turn of the year it has just become SO dull.

Lack of meaty stories is an issue. Laurens drinking is the only one I can recall.

Sorry to add to the EE hate threads on here but needed to get it out!
It's been really bad since 2011!
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Old 06-08-2013, 23:50
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I've posted several rants on here about Lorraine Newman. She has got a lot to answer for. Things are about to get worse with the upcoming Alice and Tamwar storyline :yawn: :sleep:
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Old 06-08-2013, 23:54
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It really worries me what other ridiculous storylines are on the way. In my opinion storylines likes these should have been binned because they make a mockery of EastEnders. Alice and Tamwar are two of the most boring and hideous characters and they clearly contribute nothing special to the soap. If they disappeared for good nobody would notice.

If this is the kind of crap Lorraine Newman thinks the average viewer wants to see then she's an even bigger moron than I previously thought. I have nothing but contempt for her because as a viewer she has really pissed me off. I am one of several million who hardly bothers watching EastEnders and all the while garbage storylines like these keep being introduced it will cause even more viewers to switch off.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if viewing figures plummet further to 3 million. Lorraine Newman will go down in history as one of the most incompetent and moronic EastEnders bosses. She's worse than Louise Berridge.

The sooner these fairytale Newman storylines are finished the better. EastEnders always used to be about drama but under Lorraine Newman we've had boring storylines which have been dragged out for months and months and EastEnders is a long way away from its glorious days of real drama and storylines which had viewers on the edge of their seats who didn't want to hear those famous duff duffs!
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Old 06-08-2013, 23:57
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It really worries me what other ridiculous storylines are on the way. In my opinion storylines likes these should have been binned because they make a mockery of EastEnders. Alice and Tamwar are two of the most boring and hideous characters and they clearly contribute nothing special to the soap. If they disappeared for good nobody would notice.

If this is the kind of crap Lorraine Newman thinks the average viewer wants to see then she's an even bigger moron than I previously thought. I have nothing but contempt for her because as a viewer she has really pissed me off. I am one of several million who hardly bothers watching EastEnders and all the while garbage storylines like these keep being introduced it will cause even more viewers to switch off.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if viewing figures plummet further to 3 million. Lorraine Newman will go down in history as one of the most incompetent and moronic EastEnders bosses. She's worse than Louise Berridge.

The sooner these fairytale Newman storylines are finished the better. EastEnders always used to be about drama but under Lorraine Newman we've had boring storylines which have been dragged out for months and months and EastEnders is a long way away from its glorious days of real drama and storylines which had viewers on the edge of their seats who didn't want to hear those famous duff duffs!
Are you using Hideous in relation to their looks?
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Old 06-08-2013, 23:57
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It's been really bad since 2011!
The rot set in under Kirkwood and has deteriorated under Newman.
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Old 06-08-2013, 23:58
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Are you using Hideous in relation to their looks?
No, just the storyline and the characters.
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Old 06-08-2013, 23:59
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Berridge was a victim of circumstance - you only have to read the interviews post EastEnders to realise the problems behind the scenes and how much had to be rewitten.

Personally I think Kirkwood was the worst. He really destroyed the show. Newman hasn't been great but I think there's enough foundations in place and changes under her tenure to give DTC something to sink his teeth into.
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:02
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No, just the storyline and the characters.
Ok, but why use the term hideous?
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:04
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Between them Kirkwood and Newman introduced some of the most appalling and hideous characters:

Joey, Alice, Kirsty, Derek, Lucy (the recast is awful), AJ, Tyler, Anthony, Ray, Ayesha and Danny.
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:05
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Ok, but why use the term hideous?
Because it's an accurate description of Alice and Tamwar. How would you describe these pair of dorks?
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:06
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Berridge was a victim of circumstance - you only have to read the interviews post EastEnders to realise the problems behind the scenes and how much had to be rewitten.

Personally I think Kirkwood was the worst. He really destroyed the show. Newman hasn't been great but I think there's enough foundations in place and changes under her tenure to give DTC something to sink his teeth into.
What happened re Berridge?
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:11
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Because it's an accurate description of Alice and Tamwar. How would you describe these pair of dorks?
Please learn what hideous actually means.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hideous
Hideous mean they are ugly, which they are not.
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:22
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Between them Kirkwood and Newman introduced some of the most appalling and hideous characters:

Joey, Alice, Kirsty, Derek, Lucy (the recast is awful), AJ, Tyler, Anthony, Ray, Ayesha and Danny.
I really don't know why they haven't just cast Kirsty as a prostitute. She doesn't work for me - all just lips and scant clothing, she is an absolutely dreadful actress. Tonight was a shocker from her and talk about rough looking. I really don't get why they brought her in only to show that Max's standards have never really waivered. Yep, tonight was back to dreadful. Don't get me started on the ferrari repossession. So Danny's never seen Tyrone in the pub let alone working on the market etc - PATHETIC
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:34
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Please learn what hideous actually means.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hideous
Hideous mean they are ugly, which they are not.
I'll repeat this to you for the second and final time - nowhere in my posting have I made remarks about the actors' looks, I have the described the characters. Stop being pedantic.
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:38
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I really don't know why they haven't just cast Kirsty as a prostitute. She doesn't work for me - all just lips and scant clothing, she is an absolutely dreadful actress. Tonight was a shocker from her and talk about rough looking. I really don't get why they brought her in only to show that Max's standards have never really waivered. Yep, tonight was back to dreadful. Don't get me started on the ferrari repossession. So Danny's never seen Tyrone in the pub let alone working on the market etc - PATHETIC
I didn't watch last night's episode, I read the spoilers and that was enough for me. More Kirsty and Max which has been going round in circles since Christmas, Janine and Danny scheming against Michael, and the return of the drunken brat Lauren.

I guess the only good thing about the episode was Tyler's exit. Hopefully we'll never see that moron ever again. It's just a shame he didn't take Alice, Joey and Kirsty with him.
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:43
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It's going to be 2014 before we see DTC work anyway...
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Old 07-08-2013, 00:59
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It's going to be 2014 before we see DTC work anyway...
All future storylines authorised by Lorraine Newman should be binned pronto. We've got the Alice and Tamwar storyline coming up which is going to be abysmal. No doubt Joey will threaten Tamwar and warn him to stay away from his boring little sister

I dread to think what else is on the horizon. Phil shacking up with Dot? Nothing would surprise me with Lorraine Newman.

When Louise Berridge was sacked in the autumn of 2004 most of her current and planned storylines were immediately binned by her successor Kathleen Hutchison. It was hard work but it paid off. I was so glad to see the back of the stupid Real Walford storyline.

EastEnders was in a terrible state when Louise Berridge was in charge but binning her daft storylines resulted in a huge increase in viewers and the same would happen again if crap storylines like Alice and Tamwar, Janine, Michael and Danny, and the endless Kirsty and Max saga were laid to rest once and for all.

Axing Berridge's crap characters such as the dire Ferreira family also worked - something which needs to happen with the pointless and boring Kirkwood and Newman creations:

Alice, Joey, Kirsty, AJ and Lucy Beale (bring back the previous actress!) to name but a few. Other snorefest characters who need to go include Billy and Tamwar.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:10
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Around circa 2001 EastEnders had this slogan:

'EastEnders. Everyone is talking about it.'

People were talking about it because of the strong cast and storylines. I remember hearing a group of people talking about it on a train back from London, and many of my friends and work colleagues were also talking about it.

People are still talking about EastEnders today but for all the wrong reasons...
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:19
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Such a true statement...

How long before DTC announces the first axings I wonder?
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:41
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To be fair to Newman she did try and rebuild the Beales. The casting wasnt solely down to her and I'm probobaly in the minority that actually likes the Beale family now. Also I really like Kirsty but I am sick of the merrygoround storyline she has with Max. I'd rather Max left than Kirsty. I agree mostly with the other posters that say Joey, Alice, Tamwar, and AJ need to go. I'd throw Masood in too along with Kim and Fatboy. I think Tam, Mas, and AJ should reunite with their wives. Its actually ridiculous that AJ, Mas, Tamwar and Syed all have failed marriages. What are the odds that 4 men in the same family would all be divorced/separated from their wives and all in the space of 2 years? Kim can just go live with Ray. I think for Alice's exit she should have a brief onscreen affair with Fatboy and the pair can move away so as not to rub it in Poppy's nose. eventually I'd pair Poppy with Peter and tone down her ditzyness overtime and make her a bit more business like and ambitous somewhat like Ian but not as weasle-ish. I think the actress is capable of more than the crappy comedy filler plots that they give her.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:44
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Oh and also OP its not a standard EE complaint unless you mention "classic Sharon" and "the real Kat Slater"
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:30
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To be fair to Newman she did try and rebuild the Beales. The casting wasnt solely down to her and I'm probobaly in the minority that actually likes the Beale family now. Also I really like Kirsty but I am sick of the merrygoround storyline she has with Max. I'd rather Max left than Kirsty. I agree mostly with the other posters that say Joey, Alice, Tamwar, and AJ need to go. I'd throw Masood in too along with Kim and Fatboy. I think Tam, Mas, and AJ should reunite with their wives. Its actually ridiculous that AJ, Mas, Tamwar and Syed all have failed marriages. What are the odds that 4 men in the same family would all be divorced/separated from their wives and all in the space of 2 years? Kim can just go live with Ray. I think for Alice's exit she should have a brief onscreen affair with Fatboy and the pair can move away so as not to rub it in Poppy's nose. eventually I'd pair Poppy with Peter and tone down her ditzyness overtime and make her a bit more business like and ambitous somewhat like Ian but not as weasle-ish. I think the actress is capable of more than the crappy comedy filler plots that they give her.
If you're referring to Amira, that marriage was never going to work - syed was a gay man - so you can't compare the end of his marriage to the other three, as if you were surprised.

Masood and Zee were together a long time and produced 4 children and a grandchild as well, so a successful marriage to a degree.

Apparently in real life, divorces amongst older couples are becoming more common.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:43
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They are becoming more common but the vast majority of failed marriages are in younger people. Highest are amongst those who married under the age of 21 and people who are not marrying the first time.

And EE rot set in long before Kirkwood he just didn't help matters. He did however save Janine from the mess DTC/Santer made her.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:41
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They are becoming more common but the vast majority of failed marriages are in younger people. Highest are amongst those who married under the age of 21 and people who are not marrying the first time.

And EE rot set in long before Kirkwood he just didn't help matters. He did however save Janine from the mess DTC/Santer made her.
bib - True. I remember around 2010/2011 Janine was having cat fights with near enough all the women in The Square.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4BwrKpcp4E

At the end is just cringeworthy. Janine, after hitting Kat and Stacey stands in the middle of the club and shouts 'COME ON THEN, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE HARD ENOUGH!' .
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