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Old 24-01-2005, 14:06
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What has? C*nt?
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:09
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Originally Posted by Rawham
Don't slate the guy just for saying 'coloured' - it might not have been meant in the wrong context. It was a perfectly acceptable word at one point (I remember getting told off in a Geography class for referring to blacks and I was told to use the term coloured - that was in the early 1990's).

In 10 years time it might be considered offensive to use the term 'black' - I feel sorry for some old people who might not keep up with the changes in language and can wrongly be labelled as racist when they're not.

It's too easy to jump on the PC bandwagon sometimes.
an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:10
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Different people use different terminology. Surely behaviour and the way people treat each other is FAR more important than teminology (which does come and go with the years and generations can eaily get left behind without realising).
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:11
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Originally Posted by biomorph04
an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism.....
With respect, that comment is total pigshit.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:11
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Originally Posted by biomorph04
an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....
Or people don't care cause it's irrelevant to them unlike the PC brigade. :sleep:
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:13
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Originally Posted by McCririck
What has? C*nt?
Pay attention at the back there!
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:15
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i really dont think the poster of this thread meant any harm by his question. its ridiculous to jump down his throat like this as i find it difficult to believe anyone would be offended by it. its not as if he even used an ugly word....just a dated one.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:16
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How many of you who have posted your disgust at the original thread are 'black', 'coloured' or shall we say 'people of colour?

I personally think it's not WHAT is said but HOW. Some poeple just have a way of being ofensive no matter what term they're using, and others get annoyed on your behalf - so, who's who on this thread?!
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:16
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Originally Posted by biomorph04
an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....
laughable logic there
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:17
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I dont think it's dated at all. We all know what he meant, I have no problem with it.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:18
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Originally Posted by biomorph04
an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....
Bullsh*t, tbh.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Doc Shmok
If people wouldn't be so tightarsed about the subject asking about ginger or black would be the same and there would be no big deal. Even the musical "Hair" made a mockery of that with "I am pink" in the 70s. Nothing has moved on since then it appears.
when an elderly white woman sees a ginger haired person coming towards them in the subway they are less likely to clutch their bag that extra bit tighter as they often do when seeing a black person.

such are the detailed public reactions that many black people have to put up with every day.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:25
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Originally Posted by biomorph04
when an elderly white woman sees a ginger haired person coming towards them in the subway they are less likely to clutch their bag that extra bit tighter as they often do when seeing a black person.

such are the detailed public reactions that many black people have to put up with every day.
what relevence does that have to changes in acceptable terminology?
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:26
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Originally Posted by McCririck
What's wrong with refering to colours?
it implies that there is a superior foundation starting point of whiteness and that non-white skin is something extra, like coloured-in.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:26
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i dont know how to describe people, im frightened i offend someone
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:27
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Originally Posted by weebear1974
I thought Rawham wrote a fair and well-balanced post - I guess that makes me a foaming racist as well.

And I was happy Bez won, so I'm also a low-life druggie scum according to another thread.

Hurrah! I'm having a good day. :yawn:
Originally Posted by biomorph04
an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....
Originally Posted by Rawham
Don't slate the guy just for saying 'coloured' - it might not have been meant in the wrong context. It was a perfectly acceptable word at one point (I remember getting told off in a Geography class for referring to blacks and I was told to use the term coloured - that was in the early 1990's).

In 10 years time it might be considered offensive to use the term 'black' - I feel sorry for some old people who might not keep up with the changes in language and can wrongly be labelled as racist when they're not.

It's too easy to jump on the PC bandwagon sometimes.
Originally Posted by Doc Shmok
The usual PC minefield ...

I wasn't aware that c.... was also on the list of non usable names.
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You are a complete ****tard!

worth the ban

EDIT - damn - it automatically stars it out
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Rawham,

Calling me an insulting name as you have is really not a proper use of this forum in discussing a point of view. You need to restrain yourself, as I never insulted you.

Big Ron saw nothing wrong in referring to black/African people with an offensive word. He variously claimed ingnorance and that it was a proper word of the times as he grew up and not racist.

In a TV show, he was sent to the USA to learn a little bit about the origins of the word and to try to understand African American sensitivities regarding the offensive term.

You might have asked me for more information before feeling the need to brand me a bastard. My parents were married before I was born, for your information.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:30
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Originally Posted by Doc Shmok
Or people don't care cause it's irrelevant to them unlike the PC brigade. :sleep:
its only irrelevant to those in positions of power who are calling most of the shots... ie: white heterosexual males
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:34
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Originally Posted by biomorph04
when an elderly white woman sees a ginger haired person coming towards them in the subway they are less likely to clutch their bag that extra bit tighter as they often do when seeing a black person.

such are the detailed public reactions that many black people have to put up with every day.
Personally I do that if the orange people in the Kappa suits and Burberries come out of the tan studio. Some of them even feel compelled to take their tans to the street to protest against the poppy ones and support William the tanned . I see them walk every summer in their nice shiny dark orange brown uniforms. A reality that the popy ones have to face. Since I am a popy one I am not too pleased about them, especially if they disturb my Sunday morning nap, when they feel the urgent need to louden their "music", when they pass the popy church. I also see the tanned ones escorted by police.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:34
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Do you consider Big Ron to be racist?
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:38
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Originally Posted by presshardy
i really dont think the poster of this thread meant any harm by his question. its ridiculous to jump down his throat like this as i find it difficult to believe anyone would be offended by it. its not as if he even used an ugly word....just a dated one.
a lot of mysogonistic men refer to women as "females"..... not an offensive word in itself, but theres something in the context, tone and use of the word that betrays a level of poisonous thinking.

similarly ignorance regarding acceptable language regarding race betrays the likelihood that the person using a dated term doesn't spend much time in the company of black people, nor thinking or empathising much about (human) race issues
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:38
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Originally Posted by biomorph04
it implies that there is a superior foundation starting point of whiteness and that non-white skin is something extra, like coloured-in.
where do you get this drivel??
how doesnt it imply that coloured skin is the foundation starting point and that white people are inferior as they dont have it.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:41
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Originally Posted by biomorph04

........ ignorance regarding acceptable language regarding race betrays the likelihood that the person using a dated term doesn't spend much time in the company of black people.......
or doesnt treat black people any differently from anyone else. i.e not tiptoeing aroung subjects and terminogy as this doesnt do anyone any good
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:43
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Originally Posted by biomorph04
doesn't spend much time in the company of black people
Very few black people in Scotland, more a job issue than a colour issue I believe. We can go into the whole job and Scotland England issue if you like, but maybe better not. The thatchy one is away.

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, nor thinking or empathising much about (human) race issues
Rubbish
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:43
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what relevence does that have to changes in acceptable terminology?
i was responding to the tiresome cliche comparison made between ginger haired people and black people.
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Old 24-01-2005, 14:46
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Originally Posted by baileybots
i dont know how to describe people, im frightened i offend someone
surely its best to have conversations with individual members of any particular minorities in your life and ask them what is offensive and what is acceptable.
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