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Any black winner ever?
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Originally Posted by Rawham:
“Don't slate the guy just for saying 'coloured' - it might not have been meant in the wrong context. It was a perfectly acceptable word at one point (I remember getting told off in a Geography class for referring to blacks and I was told to use the term coloured - that was in the early 1990's).
In 10 years time it might be considered offensive to use the term 'black' - I feel sorry for some old people who might not keep up with the changes in language and can wrongly be labelled as racist when they're not.
It's too easy to jump on the PC bandwagon sometimes.”
“Don't slate the guy just for saying 'coloured' - it might not have been meant in the wrong context. It was a perfectly acceptable word at one point (I remember getting told off in a Geography class for referring to blacks and I was told to use the term coloured - that was in the early 1990's).
In 10 years time it might be considered offensive to use the term 'black' - I feel sorry for some old people who might not keep up with the changes in language and can wrongly be labelled as racist when they're not.
It's too easy to jump on the PC bandwagon sometimes.”
an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....
Different people use different terminology. Surely behaviour and the way people treat each other is FAR more important than teminology (which does come and go with the years and generations can eaily get left behind without realising).
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism.....”
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism.....”
With respect, that comment is total pigshit.
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....”
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....”
Or people don't care cause it's irrelevant to them unlike the PC brigade. :sleep:
i really dont think the poster of this thread meant any harm by his question. its ridiculous to jump down his throat like this as i find it difficult to believe anyone would be offended by it. its not as if he even used an ugly word....just a dated one.
How many of you who have posted your disgust at the original thread are 'black', 'coloured' or shall we say 'people of colour?
I personally think it's not WHAT is said but HOW. Some poeple just have a way of being ofensive no matter what term they're using, and others get annoyed on your behalf - so, who's who on this thread?!
I personally think it's not WHAT is said but HOW. Some poeple just have a way of being ofensive no matter what term they're using, and others get annoyed on your behalf - so, who's who on this thread?!
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....”
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....”
laughable logic there
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....”
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....”
Bullsh*t, tbh.
Originally Posted by Doc Shmok:
“If people wouldn't be so tightarsed about the subject asking about ginger or black would be the same and there would be no big deal. Even the musical "Hair" made a mockery of that with "I am pink" in the 70s. Nothing has moved on since then it appears.”
“If people wouldn't be so tightarsed about the subject asking about ginger or black would be the same and there would be no big deal. Even the musical "Hair" made a mockery of that with "I am pink" in the 70s. Nothing has moved on since then it appears.”
when an elderly white woman sees a ginger haired person coming towards them in the subway they are less likely to clutch their bag that extra bit tighter as they often do when seeing a black person.
such are the detailed public reactions that many black people have to put up with every day.
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“when an elderly white woman sees a ginger haired person coming towards them in the subway they are less likely to clutch their bag that extra bit tighter as they often do when seeing a black person.
such are the detailed public reactions that many black people have to put up with every day.”
“when an elderly white woman sees a ginger haired person coming towards them in the subway they are less likely to clutch their bag that extra bit tighter as they often do when seeing a black person.
such are the detailed public reactions that many black people have to put up with every day.”
what relevence does that have to changes in acceptable terminology?
Originally Posted by McCririck:
“What's wrong with refering to colours?”
“What's wrong with refering to colours?”
it implies that there is a superior foundation starting point of whiteness and that non-white skin is something extra, like coloured-in.
Originally Posted by weebear1974:
“I thought Rawham wrote a fair and well-balanced post - I guess that makes me a foaming racist as well.
And I was happy Bez won, so I'm also a low-life druggie scum according to another thread.
Hurrah! I'm having a good day. :yawn:”
“I thought Rawham wrote a fair and well-balanced post - I guess that makes me a foaming racist as well.
And I was happy Bez won, so I'm also a low-life druggie scum according to another thread.
Hurrah! I'm having a good day. :yawn:”
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....”
“an unawareness of acceptable language, when referring to fellow human beings, tends to betray some level of racism..... maybe not outright facist racism, but racism nonetheless....”
Originally Posted by Rawham:
“Don't slate the guy just for saying 'coloured' - it might not have been meant in the wrong context. It was a perfectly acceptable word at one point (I remember getting told off in a Geography class for referring to blacks and I was told to use the term coloured - that was in the early 1990's).
In 10 years time it might be considered offensive to use the term 'black' - I feel sorry for some old people who might not keep up with the changes in language and can wrongly be labelled as racist when they're not.
It's too easy to jump on the PC bandwagon sometimes.”
“Don't slate the guy just for saying 'coloured' - it might not have been meant in the wrong context. It was a perfectly acceptable word at one point (I remember getting told off in a Geography class for referring to blacks and I was told to use the term coloured - that was in the early 1990's).
In 10 years time it might be considered offensive to use the term 'black' - I feel sorry for some old people who might not keep up with the changes in language and can wrongly be labelled as racist when they're not.
It's too easy to jump on the PC bandwagon sometimes.”
Originally Posted by Doc Shmok:
“The usual PC minefield ...
I wasn't aware that c.... was also on the list of non usable names.
”
“The usual PC minefield ...
I wasn't aware that c.... was also on the list of non usable names.
”
Originally Posted by Rawham:
“You are a complete ****tard!
worth the ban
EDIT - damn - it automatically stars it out!”
“You are a complete ****tard!
worth the ban
EDIT - damn - it automatically stars it out!”
Rawham,
Calling me an insulting name as you have is really not a proper use of this forum in discussing a point of view. You need to restrain yourself, as I never insulted you.
Big Ron saw nothing wrong in referring to black/African people with an offensive word. He variously claimed ingnorance and that it was a proper word of the times as he grew up and not racist.
In a TV show, he was sent to the USA to learn a little bit about the origins of the word and to try to understand African American sensitivities regarding the offensive term.
You might have asked me for more information before feeling the need to brand me a bastard. My parents were married before I was born, for your information.
Originally Posted by Doc Shmok:
“Or people don't care cause it's irrelevant to them unlike the PC brigade. :sleep:”
“Or people don't care cause it's irrelevant to them unlike the PC brigade. :sleep:”
its only irrelevant to those in positions of power who are calling most of the shots... ie: white heterosexual males
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“when an elderly white woman sees a ginger haired person coming towards them in the subway they are less likely to clutch their bag that extra bit tighter as they often do when seeing a black person.
such are the detailed public reactions that many black people have to put up with every day.”
“when an elderly white woman sees a ginger haired person coming towards them in the subway they are less likely to clutch their bag that extra bit tighter as they often do when seeing a black person.
such are the detailed public reactions that many black people have to put up with every day.”
Personally I do that if the orange people in the Kappa suits and Burberries come out of the tan studio.
Some of them even feel compelled to take their tans to the street to protest against the poppy ones and support William the tanned . I see them walk every summer in their nice shiny dark orange brown uniforms. A reality that the popy ones have to face. 
Since I am a popy one I am not too pleased about them, especially if they disturb my Sunday morning nap, when they feel the urgent need to louden their "music", when they pass the popy church. I also see the tanned ones escorted by police. 
Originally Posted by presshardy:
“i really dont think the poster of this thread meant any harm by his question. its ridiculous to jump down his throat like this as i find it difficult to believe anyone would be offended by it. its not as if he even used an ugly word....just a dated one.”
“i really dont think the poster of this thread meant any harm by his question. its ridiculous to jump down his throat like this as i find it difficult to believe anyone would be offended by it. its not as if he even used an ugly word....just a dated one.”
a lot of mysogonistic men refer to women as "females"..... not an offensive word in itself, but theres something in the context, tone and use of the word that betrays a level of poisonous thinking.
similarly ignorance regarding acceptable language regarding race betrays the likelihood that the person using a dated term doesn't spend much time in the company of black people, nor thinking or empathising much about (human) race issues
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“it implies that there is a superior foundation starting point of whiteness and that non-white skin is something extra, like coloured-in.”
“it implies that there is a superior foundation starting point of whiteness and that non-white skin is something extra, like coloured-in.”
where do you get this drivel??
how doesnt it imply that coloured skin is the foundation starting point and that white people are inferior as they dont have it.
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“
........ ignorance regarding acceptable language regarding race betrays the likelihood that the person using a dated term doesn't spend much time in the company of black people.......”
“
........ ignorance regarding acceptable language regarding race betrays the likelihood that the person using a dated term doesn't spend much time in the company of black people.......”
or doesnt treat black people any differently from anyone else. i.e not tiptoeing aroung subjects and terminogy as this doesnt do anyone any good
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“ doesn't spend much time in the company of black people”
“ doesn't spend much time in the company of black people”
Very few black people in Scotland, more a job issue than a colour issue I believe. We can go into the whole job and Scotland England issue if you like, but maybe better not. The thatchy one is away.
Originally Posted by biomorph04:
“, nor thinking or empathising much about (human) race issues”
“, nor thinking or empathising much about (human) race issues”
Rubbish
Originally Posted by presshardy:
“what relevence does that have to changes in acceptable terminology?”
“what relevence does that have to changes in acceptable terminology?”
i was responding to the tiresome cliche comparison made between ginger haired people and black people.
Originally Posted by baileybots:
“i dont know how to describe people, im frightened i offend someone”
“i dont know how to describe people, im frightened i offend someone”
surely its best to have conversations with individual members of any particular minorities in your life and ask them what is offensive and what is acceptable.
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