premier league thread

Raoul_E · 19-08-2014, 10:39

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Thats very odd, i cant for the life of me see the airplay icon when im watching the air but i can not every other app that can airplay.

With X2GO i just press the airplay button and it all works fine. But i also use a slingbox from USA which gives me all the games as well which airplays amazing, it's actually like the watching the game on a sky box.

Very strange.I have both apps from the us apple store and when i look it up on google.Airplay must work fine with the nbc live extra app and it is fine.Airplay with the xfinity app only works with plex on a jailbroken device.

The Big Roberto · 19-08-2014, 10:42

No airplay icon for me either

not too keen on the NBC service via web browser. Why do they have black bars around the screen?
The app on iPad wasn't much better than PLP using Overplay. Still can't workout how you turn VPN off, tried a few different things but the video just cuts out

akki007 · 19-08-2014, 10:59

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Originally Posted by The Big Roberto

No airplay icon for me either

not too keen on the NBC service via web browser. Why do they have black bars around the screen?
The app on iPad wasn't much better than PLP using Overplay. Still can't workout how you turn VPN off, tried a few different things but the video just cuts out

Jailbreak - install background manager - force all your streaming apps to play in the background - enjoy!!

lamby · 19-08-2014, 11:50

How many Italian games do beIN sports show per week?

Teasdale84 · 19-08-2014, 12:06

So glad i found this thread full of helpful information.
I'm using PLP and get the same juddery effect everyone else seems to be struggling with. Also subbed with StarSports because the price was so good for a back-up. The picture for me on there is awful to say the least. Constant quality issues every minute or two so will only be using them if PLP blacks out.
I have seen a few talking about NBC sports extra but don't know how to get a sub with them. If anyone with information could pm me that would be appreciated.
Will be keeping a close eye on this thread over the coming season and hope PLP can sort the streams out because the picture is very good.

hard_to_beat · 19-08-2014, 12:29

Re. PLP judder, are people trying downing the stream quality? I did and it stopped pretty much straight away.

jcm193 · 19-08-2014, 12:31

PLP should be able to offer the same quality streams even at 4500 kbps its not like our connections can not cope with it.

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Originally Posted by hard_to_beat

Re. PLP judder, are people trying downing the stream quality? I did and it stopped pretty much straight away.

Teasdale84 · 19-08-2014, 12:36

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Originally Posted by hard_to_beat

Re. PLP judder, are people trying downing the stream quality? I did and it stopped pretty much straight away.

Did try that but the difference with the judder was minimal.

lympstone · 19-08-2014, 12:42

Is anyone getting smooth streaming on PLP? If they are it would be interesting to know what their setup is.

akki007 · 19-08-2014, 12:48

Some useful hints from my experiences - for those with an iPad

1. Always use an iPad and AirPlay to an Apple TV - the playback, in my experience is always smoother than any flash stream I have ever seen!

2. Jailbreak your iPad and install FLEX 2 and Background Manager. Use FLEX 2 to tweak your streaming apps to allow you to AirPlay them.

4. Use a VPN rather than a Smart DNS. Why? Because if you do the above also, you can start the stream and then turn the VPN off to carry on streaming using your connection.

Streaming services hit list (iPad to Apple TV only) - My overall view based on actual use and experience:
1. Xfinity TV GO - NBCSN, MUN2 etc. (Don't use the website, it's really poor)
2. PLP - pending judder issue being resolved (If they don't sort the judder, this goes to No. 4)
3. Bein Sports - does not reach HD on any channels other than HD13/14 - Still good quality though
4. Star Sports (apparently will AirPlay, I can't get it to work)

Tonight I will be testing out Fox Soccer for the Champions League and I will feedback.

sambhi92 · 19-08-2014, 12:54

People who say the PLP juddering is unwatchable you clearly havent been watching free streams for a while. While this season PLP may not be at its peak it was the same last season, they never had 4.5mb streams until about Jan 2014. I'm sure they'll sort it out. But its not as bad as people are making out. I watched Spurs game and it was fine for me. Ipad 3 airplayed.

akki007 · 19-08-2014, 13:19

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Originally Posted by sambhi92

People who say the PLP juddering is unwatchable you clearly havent been watching free streams for a while. While this season PLP may not be at its peak it was the same last season, they never had 4.5mb streams until about Jan 2014. I'm sure they'll sort it out. But its not as bad as people are making out. I watched Spurs game and it was fine for me. Ipad 3 airplayed.

Free streams are awful, yes. PLP is £100 a year!! the two aren't comparable, at all? PLP is bad, really bad. Watch an NBC stream over airplay and compare them.

timcl · 19-08-2014, 13:20

Hey everyone,

I am new here but thought I could offer you all a relatively unique perspective on PLP. I am a UK expat living in Taiwan so use the PLP service with absolutely no DNS whatsoever.

--PC Background--

As a bit of background I have tried PLP on various platforms in the browser and have found it has an issue on pretty much every platform I have tried, here's what I have:

5 PCs

2 i7's, one with the NVIDIA graphics card and one with an ATI

1 AMD server with cheap graphics card

1 i5 with a NVIDIA graphics card

1 i3 with intel in built graphics

On these PCs I have 3 OSs

2 x Windows 7

2 x ArchLinux

1 x Ubuntu

--Browsers tested--

On most of these PCs I have tried the following browsers:

Waterfox
Firefox
Chromium (linux) & Chrome (windows), pepper flash enabled and disabled
IE 11 (where available)
Opera

--Problem--

In every single one to varying degrees I have seen the jitter which happens most of all when the camera pans in a fast manner.

--Ruled out--

The other thing to rule out would be my internet connection. This is not an issue as I have a 106 Mbps connection at home, which hits the speed tests for 96 Mbps.

Additionally I also have Hulu, Netflix & WWE network, on none of these do I get poor performance, all will play in HD. So further proof that my connection is not really an issue (I suppose the connection from PLP remains, however I rule this out as I get max speed as reported by PLP and in addition there is no buffering issue whatsoever)

Originally I thought my issue was Flash but it is definitely not now as I have tried such a variety of PCs. I have also tried downgrading flash to 11.5 and still have the same issues.

DNS/VPN, as I said I use neither as I am based in Taiwan so the service is "legally" available here.

--Conclusion--

After testing all these I can only conclude that there is something wrong in the stream, I am nowhere near an expert with regarding to stream composition, as people seem to suggest it is an issue with 30fps/refresh rate and missing frames or such like.

I did try changing my refresh rate and it did appear to be better, not sure whether i was just seeing things or not.

I haven't tried an iPad as I haven't got one, but if that is jittery as well then the only thing that it could be would be stream. I will endeavour to check it soon.

Hope that helps everyone...and hopefully myself as well!

akki007 · 19-08-2014, 13:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by timcl

Hey everyone,

I am new here but thought I could offer you all a relatively unique perspective on PLP. I am a UK expat living in Taiwan so use the PLP service with absolutely no DNS whatsoever.

--PC Background--

As a bit of background I have tried PLP on various platforms in the browser and have found it has an issue on pretty much every platform I have tried, here's what I have:

5 PCs

2 i7's, one with the NVIDIA graphics card and one with an ATI

1 AMD server with cheap graphics card

1 i5 with a NVIDIA graphics card

1 i3 with intel in built graphics

On these PCs I have 3 OSs

2 x Windows 7

2 x ArchLinux

1 x Ubuntu

--Browsers tested--

On most of these PCs I have tried the following browsers:

Waterfox
Firefox
Chromium (linux) & Chrome (windows), pepper flash enabled and disabled
IE 11 (where available)
Opera

--Problem--

In every single one to varying degrees I have seen the jitter which happens most of all when the camera pans in a fast manner.

--Ruled out--

The other thing to rule out would be my internet connection. This is not an issue as I have a 106 Mbps connection at home, which hits the speed tests for 96 Mbps.

Additionally I also have Hulu, Netflix & WWE network, on none of these do I get poor performance, all will play in HD. So further proof that my connection is not really an issue (I suppose the connection from PLP remains)

Originally I thought my issue was Flash but it is definitely not now as I have tried such a variety of PCs. I have also tried downgrading flash to 11.5 and still have the same issues.

DNS/VPN, as I said I use neither as I am based in Taiwan so the service is "legally" available here.

--Conclusion--

After testing all these I can only conclude that there is something wrong in the stream, I am nowhere near an expert with regarding to stream composition, as people seem to suggest it is an issue with 30fps/refresh rate and missing frames or such like.

I did try changing my refresh rate and it did appear to be better, not sure whether i was just seeing things or not.

I haven't tried an iPad as I haven't got one, but if that is jittery as well then the only thing that it could be would be stream. I will endeavour to check it soon.

Hope that helps everyone...and hopefully myself as well!

YES! well done my friend! PLP need to sort their act out with this 30fps nonsense.

Dan_Thomas · 19-08-2014, 13:29

PLP judders for me too, sometimes worse then other but always some degree of judder.

akki007 · 19-08-2014, 13:41

If it's juddering for timcl - it's juddering for everyone. And I don't believe anyone who says Its not!

Teasdale84 · 19-08-2014, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by timcl

Hey everyone,

I am new here but thought I could offer you all a relatively unique perspective on PLP. I am a UK expat living in Taiwan so use the PLP service with absolutely no DNS whatsoever.

--PC Background--

As a bit of background I have tried PLP on various platforms in the browser and have found it has an issue on pretty much every platform I have tried, here's what I have:

5 PCs

2 i7's, one with the NVIDIA graphics card and one with an ATI

1 AMD server with cheap graphics card

1 i5 with a NVIDIA graphics card

1 i3 with intel in built graphics

On these PCs I have 3 OSs

2 x Windows 7

2 x ArchLinux

1 x Ubuntu

--Browsers tested--

On most of these PCs I have tried the following browsers:

Waterfox
Firefox
Chromium (linux) & Chrome (windows), pepper flash enabled and disabled
IE 11 (where available)
Opera

--Problem--

In every single one to varying degrees I have seen the jitter which happens most of all when the camera pans in a fast manner.

--Ruled out--

The other thing to rule out would be my internet connection. This is not an issue as I have a 106 Mbps connection at home, which hits the speed tests for 96 Mbps.

Additionally I also have Hulu, Netflix & WWE network, on none of these do I get poor performance, all will play in HD. So further proof that my connection is not really an issue (I suppose the connection from PLP remains, however I rule this out as I get max speed as reported by PLP and in addition there is no buffering issue whatsoever)

Originally I thought my issue was Flash but it is definitely not now as I have tried such a variety of PCs. I have also tried downgrading flash to 11.5 and still have the same issues.

DNS/VPN, as I said I use neither as I am based in Taiwan so the service is "legally" available here.

--Conclusion--

After testing all these I can only conclude that there is something wrong in the stream, I am nowhere near an expert with regarding to stream composition, as people seem to suggest it is an issue with 30fps/refresh rate and missing frames or such like.

I did try changing my refresh rate and it did appear to be better, not sure whether i was just seeing things or not.

I haven't tried an iPad as I haven't got one, but if that is jittery as well then the only thing that it could be would be stream. I will endeavour to check it soon.

Hope that helps everyone...and hopefully myself as well!

Excellent info.

I suppose it's a relief to know it happens without DNS/VPN services. Lets just hope they fix it sooner rather than later.

akki007 · 19-08-2014, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teasdale84

Excellent info.

I suppose it's a relief to know it happens without DNS/VPN services. Lets just hope they fix it sooner rather than later.

It happens for me without DNS/vpn too, but I'm outside their subscription zone so I'm not a real test. The other chap is though

jcm193 · 19-08-2014, 14:24

Can you contact there support and let them know that your having these issues and what you have done to try rectify the judder being that your in Taiwan its not look on PLP at all

Quote:

Originally Posted by timcl

Hey everyone,

I am new here but thought I could offer you all a relatively unique perspective on PLP. I am a UK expat living in Taiwan so use the PLP service with absolutely no DNS whatsoever.

--PC Background--

As a bit of background I have tried PLP on various platforms in the browser and have found it has an issue on pretty much every platform I have tried, here's what I have:

5 PCs

2 i7's, one with the NVIDIA graphics card and one with an ATI

1 AMD server with cheap graphics card

1 i5 with a NVIDIA graphics card

1 i3 with intel in built graphics

On these PCs I have 3 OSs

2 x Windows 7

2 x ArchLinux

1 x Ubuntu

--Browsers tested--

On most of these PCs I have tried the following browsers:

Waterfox
Firefox
Chromium (linux) & Chrome (windows), pepper flash enabled and disabled
IE 11 (where available)
Opera

--Problem--

In every single one to varying degrees I have seen the jitter which happens most of all when the camera pans in a fast manner.

--Ruled out--

The other thing to rule out would be my internet connection. This is not an issue as I have a 106 Mbps connection at home, which hits the speed tests for 96 Mbps.

Additionally I also have Hulu, Netflix & WWE network, on none of these do I get poor performance, all will play in HD. So further proof that my connection is not really an issue (I suppose the connection from PLP remains, however I rule this out as I get max speed as reported by PLP and in addition there is no buffering issue whatsoever)

Originally I thought my issue was Flash but it is definitely not now as I have tried such a variety of PCs. I have also tried downgrading flash to 11.5 and still have the same issues.

DNS/VPN, as I said I use neither as I am based in Taiwan so the service is "legally" available here.

--Conclusion--

After testing all these I can only conclude that there is something wrong in the stream, I am nowhere near an expert with regarding to stream composition, as people seem to suggest it is an issue with 30fps/refresh rate and missing frames or such like.

I did try changing my refresh rate and it did appear to be better, not sure whether i was just seeing things or not.

I haven't tried an iPad as I haven't got one, but if that is jittery as well then the only thing that it could be would be stream. I will endeavour to check it soon.

Hope that helps everyone...and hopefully myself as well!

jcm193 · 19-08-2014, 14:33

How ironic im watching bein 11 via there website and the highlights of the Burnley V Chelsea has just started if they can show the bloody highlights why can they not show the live game

akki007 · 19-08-2014, 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcm193

How ironic im watching bein 11 via there website and the highlights of the Burnley V Chelsea has just started it they can show the bloody highlights why can they not show the live game

Because people aren't sat in the pub watching it on replay! They were in there last night watching it live! Also not sure it's ironic! 😬

jcm193 · 19-08-2014, 14:36

Perhaps Ironic was the wrong word maybe stupid would of been better one

Quote:

Originally Posted by akki007

Because people aren't sat in the pub watching it on replay! They were in there last night watching it live! Also not sure it's ironic! 😬

sambhi92 · 19-08-2014, 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by akki007

Free streams are awful, yes. PLP is £100 a year!! the two aren't comparable, at all? PLP is bad, really bad. Watch an NBC stream over airplay and compare them.

30 quid mate.

also i've seen it airplayed and agreed its much better. But you're comparing and multi billion to a company in NZ probably worth 5% of NBC. Thats the least you'd expect from NBC.

akki007 · 19-08-2014, 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by sambhi92

30 quid mate.

also i've seen it airplayed and agreed its much better. But you're comparing and multi billion to a company in NZ probably worth 5% of NBC. Thats the least you'd expect from NBC.

Cost of sub depends on where you "live". PLP had it nailed last season at 25 fps. Start of this season is awful, they can and have provided a better service.

myron_gaines · 19-08-2014, 15:17

I bought the Starsports ios app without realising it won't unlock the website version too so wasted 8.99 and bought to website version anyway while Bein is down so I have three services. I might get NBC but I'll see how starsports does next week as two people watch in my house and PLP is one login.

Quote:

Originally Posted by akki007

If it's juddering for timcl - it's juddering for everyone. And I don't believe anyone who says Its not!

My PC is a core 2 duo even but with a 2gb GDDR3 AMD GPU. Using SDNS.

I have no bloatware and have disabled start up programs that I don't need or are unnecessary to begin at start up.

I'm also using homeplugs so no wifi.

I watched Man Utd- Swansea, Spurs- WHU, ARSL- CP, LIV-SHFC, NCFC-MCFC.

All perfect.

I must be lucky.

19-08-2014, 10:39	#4476
Raoul_E Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Gotham City Posts: 35	Quote: Originally Posted by sambhi92 Thats very odd, i cant for the life of me see the airplay icon when im watching the air but i can not every other app that can airplay. With X2GO i just press the airplay button and it all works fine. But i also use a slingbox from USA which gives me all the games as well which airplays amazing, it's actually like the watching the game on a sky box. Very strange.I have both apps from the us apple store and when i look it up on google.Airplay must work fine with the nbc live extra app and it is fine.Airplay with the xfinity app only works with plex on a jailbroken device.

19-08-2014, 13:20	#4488
timcl Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 19	Hey everyone, I am new here but thought I could offer you all a relatively unique perspective on PLP. I am a UK expat living in Taiwan so use the PLP service with absolutely no DNS whatsoever. --PC Background-- As a bit of background I have tried PLP on various platforms in the browser and have found it has an issue on pretty much every platform I have tried, here's what I have: 5 PCs 2 i7's, one with the NVIDIA graphics card and one with an ATI 1 AMD server with cheap graphics card 1 i5 with a NVIDIA graphics card 1 i3 with intel in built graphics On these PCs I have 3 OSs 2 x Windows 7 2 x ArchLinux 1 x Ubuntu --Browsers tested-- On most of these PCs I have tried the following browsers: Waterfox Firefox Chromium (linux) & Chrome (windows), pepper flash enabled and disabled IE 11 (where available) Opera --Problem-- In every single one to varying degrees I have seen the jitter which happens most of all when the camera pans in a fast manner. --Ruled out-- The other thing to rule out would be my *internet connection. This is not an issue as I have a 106 Mbps connection at home, which hits the speed tests for 96 Mbps. Additionally I also have Hulu, Netflix & WWE network, on none of these do I get poor performance, all will play in HD. So further proof that my connection is not really an issue (I suppose the connection from PLP remains, however I rule this out as I get max speed as reported by PLP and in addition there is no buffering issue whatsoever) Originally I thought my issue was Flash* but it is definitely not now as I have tried such a variety of PCs. I have also tried downgrading flash to 11.5 and still have the same issues. *DNS/VPN, as I said I use neither as I am based in Taiwan so the service is "legally" available here. --Conclusion--* After testing all these I can only conclude that there is something wrong in the stream, I am nowhere near an expert with regarding to stream composition, as people seem to suggest it is an issue with 30fps/refresh rate and missing frames or such like. I did try changing my refresh rate and it did appear to be better, not sure whether i was just seeing things or not. I haven't tried an iPad as I haven't got one, but if that is jittery as well then the only thing that it could be would be stream. I will endeavour to check it soon. Hope that helps everyone...and hopefully myself as well!

19-08-2014, 13:22	#4489
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Quote: Originally Posted by timcl Hey everyone, I am new here but thought I could offer you all a relatively unique perspective on PLP. I am a UK expat living in Taiwan so use the PLP service with absolutely no DNS whatsoever. --PC Background-- As a bit of background I have tried PLP on various platforms in the browser and have found it has an issue on pretty much every platform I have tried, here's what I have: 5 PCs 2 i7's, one with the NVIDIA graphics card and one with an ATI 1 AMD server with cheap graphics card 1 i5 with a NVIDIA graphics card 1 i3 with intel in built graphics On these PCs I have 3 OSs 2 x Windows 7 2 x ArchLinux 1 x Ubuntu --Browsers tested-- On most of these PCs I have tried the following browsers: Waterfox Firefox Chromium (linux) & Chrome (windows), pepper flash enabled and disabled IE 11 (where available) Opera --Problem-- In every single one to varying degrees I have seen the jitter which happens most of all when the camera pans in a fast manner. --Ruled out-- The other thing to rule out would be my *internet connection. This is not an issue as I have a 106 Mbps connection at home, which hits the speed tests for 96 Mbps. Additionally I also have Hulu, Netflix & WWE network, on none of these do I get poor performance, all will play in HD. So further proof that my connection is not really an issue (I suppose the connection from PLP remains) Originally I thought my issue was Flash* but it is definitely not now as I have tried such a variety of PCs. I have also tried downgrading flash to 11.5 and still have the same issues. *DNS/VPN, as I said I use neither as I am based in Taiwan so the service is "legally" available here. --Conclusion--* After testing all these I can only conclude that there is something wrong in the stream, I am nowhere near an expert with regarding to stream composition, as people seem to suggest it is an issue with 30fps/refresh rate and missing frames or such like. I did try changing my refresh rate and it did appear to be better, not sure whether i was just seeing things or not. I haven't tried an iPad as I haven't got one, but if that is jittery as well then the only thing that it could be would be stream. I will endeavour to check it soon. Hope that helps everyone...and hopefully myself as well! YES! well done my friend! PLP need to sort their act out with this 30fps nonsense.

19-08-2014, 13:42	#4492
Teasdale84 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 3	Quote: Originally Posted by timcl Hey everyone, I am new here but thought I could offer you all a relatively unique perspective on PLP. I am a UK expat living in Taiwan so use the PLP service with absolutely no DNS whatsoever. --PC Background-- As a bit of background I have tried PLP on various platforms in the browser and have found it has an issue on pretty much every platform I have tried, here's what I have: 5 PCs 2 i7's, one with the NVIDIA graphics card and one with an ATI 1 AMD server with cheap graphics card 1 i5 with a NVIDIA graphics card 1 i3 with intel in built graphics On these PCs I have 3 OSs 2 x Windows 7 2 x ArchLinux 1 x Ubuntu --Browsers tested-- On most of these PCs I have tried the following browsers: Waterfox Firefox Chromium (linux) & Chrome (windows), pepper flash enabled and disabled IE 11 (where available) Opera --Problem-- In every single one to varying degrees I have seen the jitter which happens most of all when the camera pans in a fast manner. --Ruled out-- The other thing to rule out would be my *internet connection. This is not an issue as I have a 106 Mbps connection at home, which hits the speed tests for 96 Mbps. Additionally I also have Hulu, Netflix & WWE network, on none of these do I get poor performance, all will play in HD. So further proof that my connection is not really an issue (I suppose the connection from PLP remains, however I rule this out as I get max speed as reported by PLP and in addition there is no buffering issue whatsoever) Originally I thought my issue was Flash* but it is definitely not now as I have tried such a variety of PCs. I have also tried downgrading flash to 11.5 and still have the same issues. *DNS/VPN, as I said I use neither as I am based in Taiwan so the service is "legally" available here. --Conclusion--* After testing all these I can only conclude that there is something wrong in the stream, I am nowhere near an expert with regarding to stream composition, as people seem to suggest it is an issue with 30fps/refresh rate and missing frames or such like. I did try changing my refresh rate and it did appear to be better, not sure whether i was just seeing things or not. I haven't tried an iPad as I haven't got one, but if that is jittery as well then the only thing that it could be would be stream. I will endeavour to check it soon. Hope that helps everyone...and hopefully myself as well! Excellent info. I suppose it's a relief to know it happens without DNS/VPN services. Lets just hope they fix it sooner rather than later.

19-08-2014, 14:24	#4494
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	Can you contact there support and let them know that your having these issues and what you have done to try rectify the judder being that your in Taiwan its not look on PLP at all Quote: Originally Posted by timcl Hey everyone, I am new here but thought I could offer you all a relatively unique perspective on PLP. I am a UK expat living in Taiwan so use the PLP service with absolutely no DNS whatsoever. --PC Background-- As a bit of background I have tried PLP on various platforms in the browser and have found it has an issue on pretty much every platform I have tried, here's what I have: 5 PCs 2 i7's, one with the NVIDIA graphics card and one with an ATI 1 AMD server with cheap graphics card 1 i5 with a NVIDIA graphics card 1 i3 with intel in built graphics On these PCs I have 3 OSs 2 x Windows 7 2 x ArchLinux 1 x Ubuntu --Browsers tested-- On most of these PCs I have tried the following browsers: Waterfox Firefox Chromium (linux) & Chrome (windows), pepper flash enabled and disabled IE 11 (where available) Opera --Problem-- In every single one to varying degrees I have seen the jitter which happens most of all when the camera pans in a fast manner. --Ruled out-- The other thing to rule out would be my *internet connection. This is not an issue as I have a 106 Mbps connection at home, which hits the speed tests for 96 Mbps. Additionally I also have Hulu, Netflix & WWE network, on none of these do I get poor performance, all will play in HD. So further proof that my connection is not really an issue (I suppose the connection from PLP remains, however I rule this out as I get max speed as reported by PLP and in addition there is no buffering issue whatsoever) Originally I thought my issue was Flash* but it is definitely not now as I have tried such a variety of PCs. I have also tried downgrading flash to 11.5 and still have the same issues. *DNS/VPN, as I said I use neither as I am based in Taiwan so the service is "legally" available here. --Conclusion--* After testing all these I can only conclude that there is something wrong in the stream, I am nowhere near an expert with regarding to stream composition, as people seem to suggest it is an issue with 30fps/refresh rate and missing frames or such like. I did try changing my refresh rate and it did appear to be better, not sure whether i was just seeing things or not. I haven't tried an iPad as I haven't got one, but if that is jittery as well then the only thing that it could be would be stream. I will endeavour to check it soon. Hope that helps everyone...and hopefully myself as well!

19-08-2014, 10:42	#4477
The Big Roberto Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newcastle Posts: 127	No airplay icon for me either not too keen on the NBC service via web browser. Why do they have black bars around the screen? The app on iPad wasn't much better than PLP using Overplay. Still can't workout how you turn VPN off, tried a few different things but the video just cuts out

19-08-2014, 10:59	#4478
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Quote: Originally Posted by The Big Roberto No airplay icon for me either not too keen on the NBC service via web browser. Why do they have black bars around the screen? The app on iPad wasn't much better than PLP using Overplay. Still can't workout how you turn VPN off, tried a few different things but the video just cuts out Jailbreak - install background manager - force all your streaming apps to play in the background - enjoy!!

19-08-2014, 11:50	#4479
lamby Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 3,332	How many Italian games do beIN sports show per week?

19-08-2014, 12:06	#4480
Teasdale84 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 3	So glad i found this thread full of helpful information. I'm using PLP and get the same juddery effect everyone else seems to be struggling with. Also subbed with StarSports because the price was so good for a back-up. The picture for me on there is awful to say the least. Constant quality issues every minute or two so will only be using them if PLP blacks out. I have seen a few talking about NBC sports extra but don't know how to get a sub with them. If anyone with information could pm me that would be appreciated. Will be keeping a close eye on this thread over the coming season and hope PLP can sort the streams out because the picture is very good.

19-08-2014, 12:29	#4481
hard_to_beat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,918	Re. PLP judder, are people trying downing the stream quality? I did and it stopped pretty much straight away.

19-08-2014, 12:31	#4482
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	PLP should be able to offer the same quality streams even at 4500 kbps its not like our connections can not cope with it. Quote: Originally Posted by hard_to_beat Re. PLP judder, are people trying downing the stream quality? I did and it stopped pretty much straight away.

19-08-2014, 12:36	#4483
Teasdale84 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 3	Quote: Originally Posted by hard_to_beat Re. PLP judder, are people trying downing the stream quality? I did and it stopped pretty much straight away. Did try that but the difference with the judder was minimal.

19-08-2014, 12:42	#4484
lympstone Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 14	Is anyone getting smooth streaming on PLP? If they are it would be interesting to know what their setup is.

19-08-2014, 12:48	#4485
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Some useful hints from my experiences - for those with an iPad 1. Always use an iPad and AirPlay to an Apple TV - the playback, in my experience is always smoother than any flash stream I have ever seen! 2. Jailbreak your iPad and install FLEX 2 and Background Manager. Use FLEX 2 to tweak your streaming apps to allow you to AirPlay them. 4. Use a VPN rather than a Smart DNS. Why? Because if you do the above also, you can start the stream and then turn the VPN off to carry on streaming using your connection. Streaming services hit list (iPad to Apple TV only) - My overall view based on actual use and experience: 1. Xfinity TV GO - NBCSN, MUN2 etc. (Don't use the website, it's really poor) 2. PLP - pending judder issue being resolved (If they don't sort the judder, this goes to No. 4) 3. Bein Sports - does not reach HD on any channels other than HD13/14 - Still good quality though 4. Star Sports (apparently will AirPlay, I can't get it to work) Tonight I will be testing out Fox Soccer for the Champions League and I will feedback.

19-08-2014, 12:54	#4486
sambhi92 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 24	People who say the PLP juddering is unwatchable you clearly havent been watching free streams for a while. While this season PLP may not be at its peak it was the same last season, they never had 4.5mb streams until about Jan 2014. I'm sure they'll sort it out. But its not as bad as people are making out. I watched Spurs game and it was fine for me. Ipad 3 airplayed.

19-08-2014, 13:19	#4487
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Quote: Originally Posted by sambhi92 People who say the PLP juddering is unwatchable you clearly havent been watching free streams for a while. While this season PLP may not be at its peak it was the same last season, they never had 4.5mb streams until about Jan 2014. I'm sure they'll sort it out. But its not as bad as people are making out. I watched Spurs game and it was fine for me. Ipad 3 airplayed. Free streams are awful, yes. PLP is £100 a year!! the two aren't comparable, at all? PLP is bad, really bad. Watch an NBC stream over airplay and compare them.

19-08-2014, 13:29	#4490
Dan_Thomas Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 29	PLP judders for me too, sometimes worse then other but always some degree of judder.

19-08-2014, 13:41	#4491
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	If it's juddering for timcl - it's juddering for everyone. And I don't believe anyone who says Its not!

19-08-2014, 13:44	#4493
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Quote: Originally Posted by Teasdale84 Excellent info. I suppose it's a relief to know it happens without DNS/VPN services. Lets just hope they fix it sooner rather than later. It happens for me without DNS/vpn too, but I'm outside their subscription zone so I'm not a real test. The other chap is though

19-08-2014, 14:33	#4495
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	How ironic im watching bein 11 via there website and the highlights of the Burnley V Chelsea has just started if they can show the bloody highlights why can they not show the live game

19-08-2014, 14:36	#4496
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Quote: Originally Posted by jcm193 How ironic im watching bein 11 via there website and the highlights of the Burnley V Chelsea has just started it they can show the bloody highlights why can they not show the live game Because people aren't sat in the pub watching it on replay! They were in there last night watching it live! Also not sure it's ironic! 😬

19-08-2014, 14:36	#4497
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	Perhaps Ironic was the wrong word maybe stupid would of been better one Quote: Originally Posted by akki007 Because people aren't sat in the pub watching it on replay! They were in there last night watching it live! Also not sure it's ironic! 😬

19-08-2014, 14:59	#4498
sambhi92 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 24	Quote: Originally Posted by akki007 Free streams are awful, yes. PLP is £100 a year!! the two aren't comparable, at all? PLP is bad, really bad. Watch an NBC stream over airplay and compare them. 30 quid mate. also i've seen it airplayed and agreed its much better. But you're comparing and multi billion to a company in NZ probably worth 5% of NBC. Thats the least you'd expect from NBC.

19-08-2014, 15:05	#4499
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Quote: Originally Posted by sambhi92 30 quid mate. also i've seen it airplayed and agreed its much better. But you're comparing and multi billion to a company in NZ probably worth 5% of NBC. Thats the least you'd expect from NBC. Cost of sub depends on where you "live". PLP had it nailed last season at 25 fps. Start of this season is awful, they can and have provided a better service.

19-08-2014, 15:17	#4500
myron_gaines Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 64	I bought the Starsports ios app without realising it won't unlock the website version too so wasted 8.99 and bought to website version anyway while Bein is down so I have three services. I might get NBC but I'll see how starsports does next week as two people watch in my house and PLP is one login. Quote: Originally Posted by akki007 If it's juddering for timcl - it's juddering for everyone. And I don't believe anyone who says Its not! My PC is a core 2 duo even but with a 2gb GDDR3 AMD GPU. Using SDNS. I have no bloatware and have disabled start up programs that I don't need or are unnecessary to begin at start up. I'm also using homeplugs so no wifi. I watched Man Utd- Swansea, Spurs- WHU, ARSL- CP, LIV-SHFC, NCFC-MCFC. All perfect. I must be lucky.

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