premier league thread

timcl · 20-08-2014, 15:16

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No speculation about the premier league review shows. They do produce their own highlight shows and documentaries on premier league teams.. A lot of these are shown abroad. I've seen some on NBC Sports Network Live channel in the US.
What I don't seem to understand is PLP is streaming the premier league live feed for all games and NBC also stream the premier league live feed for some of the games since they can't air all the games on TV at once and only one game is shown on NBC SPORTS NETWORK at a time. They have only got one presenter and 2 studio analysts and link up with Gary Lineker in their studio in London for his analysis on the weekend games.I notice some of the other games not aired on their stations are aired online on Premier League Extra time within the app itself. These feeds are the same feeds shown on plp and they play smoothly. It baffles me really.

Yes actually I got the same stream on MOD (Taiwanese) last year. The thing that I don't know is whether these providers have separate encoding when they attach to the raw feed coming from the premier league. Not sure about that but it would make sense as different providers will want different formats.

Frankly though I don't like to speculate this too much, as I am really nowhere near an expert on live streaming and how stations deliver content.

promo-only · 20-08-2014, 15:29

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Originally Posted by TechPower

No speculation about the premier league review shows. They do produce their own highlight shows and documentaries on premier league teams.. A lot of these are shown abroad. I've seen some on NBC Sports Network Live channel in the US.
What I don't seem to understand is PLP is streaming the premier league live feed for all games and NBC also stream the premier league live feed for some of the games since they can't air all the games on TV at once and only one game is shown on NBC SPORTS NETWORK at a time. They have only got one presenter and 2 studio analysts and link up with Gary Lineker in their studio in London for his analysis on the weekend games.I notice some of the other games not aired on their stations are aired online on Premier League Extra time within the app itself. These feeds are the same feeds shown on plp and they play smoothly. It baffles me really.

The only PLP/IMG produced shows are the Preview, Review and World shows, and of course the extended highlights - these are the exact same ones that Sky use as part of their 'Football First' show every Saturday night, including the same world feed commentary too. Any documentary you've seen in the US will have been produced in-house by NBC, ESPN etc.

The Premier League Extra Time channels are available on TV too, they're not just for the app, so US viewers aren't restricted to app/online only, they just have to key in the appropriate numbers on the remote.

They're the same feeds shown on PLP because there is only one feed - it's the world feed. The pictures are identical on every broadcaster in the world, including Sky Sports and BT Sport. The only difference when a match is being broadcast in the UK is that the domestic broadcaster will produce their own coverage but all camerawork is identical the world over.

lamby · 20-08-2014, 15:35

On Star Sports, is the pre/post match studio stuff just a generic feed from the PL for international broadcasters?

I noticed no branding in the studio.

promo-only · 20-08-2014, 15:40

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Originally Posted by lamby

On Star Sports, is the pre/post match studio stuff just a generic feed from the PL for international broadcasters?

I noticed no branding in the studio.

It is yes, it's just referred to as 'PLTV', primarily goes out in Asia but can be seen in a few other countries like Canada too. Very few rights holders broadcast it though - they use their own instead.

The reason it has no branding is because the Premier League package it up as a complete 'off the shelf' product so any international rights holder can buy the rights and have everything from commentary to studio analysis provided for them if they wish to take it. Most rights holders use their own studio set-up with local recognisable talent though.

lamby · 20-08-2014, 15:41

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Originally Posted by promo-only

It is yes, it's just referred to as 'PLTV', primarily goes out in Asia but can be seen in a few other countries like Canada too. Very few rights holders broadcast it though - they use their own instead.

The reason it has no branding is because the Premier League package it up as a complete 'off the shelf' product so any international rights holder can buy the rights and have everything from commentary to studio analysis provided for them if they wish to take it. Most rights holders use their own studio set-up with local recognisable talent though.

Thanks for that. I guess its why Star Sports are so cheap for the online service.

Do Star Sports broadcast Indian coverage in India on TV?

sambhi92 · 20-08-2014, 15:49

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Originally Posted by promo-only

It is yes, it's just referred to as 'PLTV', primarily goes out in Asia but can be seen in a few other countries like Canada too. Very few rights holders broadcast it though - they use their own instead.

The reason it has no branding is because the Premier League package it up as a complete 'off the shelf' product so any international rights holder can buy the rights and have everything from commentary to studio analysis provided for them if they wish to take it. Most rights holders use their own studio set-up with local recognisable talent though.

Was that via the star sports app? Did you get the studio stuff during half and full time through the app?

jcm193 · 20-08-2014, 15:53

There is even a tv channel on 10E this was FTA for a long time so people where able to get 3 live games on a Saturday in HD

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Originally Posted by promo-only

It is yes, it's just referred to as 'PLTV', primarily goes out in Asia but can be seen in a few other countries like Canada too. Very few rights holders broadcast it though - they use their own instead.

The reason it has no branding is because the Premier League package it up as a complete 'off the shelf' product so any international rights holder can buy the rights and have everything from commentary to studio analysis provided for them if they wish to take it. Most rights holders use their own studio set-up with local recognisable talent though.

promo-only · 20-08-2014, 15:55

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Originally Posted by lamby

Thanks for that. I guess its why Star Sports are so cheap for the online service.

Do Star Sports broadcast Indian coverage in India on TV?

I don't think so, no. Think it's just the same feeds on Star Sports 2/4 & HD1 unless they offer a local off-tube commentary but I don't think they do. It's just cheap & cheerful.

It covers the whole of South Asia so I imagine they keep it simple instead of producing different coverage for each country/region they broadcast to.

promo-only · 20-08-2014, 16:01

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Originally Posted by jcm193

There is even a tv channel on 10E this was FTA for a long time so people where able to get 3 live games on a Saturday in HD

There was a dedicated Viasat Premier League HD channel that was basically PLTV - it carried the 24/7 feed including 3 live matches etc. Not sure if they still run it now though since the clampdown began.

TechPower · 20-08-2014, 16:02

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Originally Posted by promo-only

The only PLP/IMG produced shows are the Preview, Review and World shows, and of course the extended highlights - these are the exact same ones that Sky use as part of their 'Football First' show every Saturday night, including the same world feed commentary too. Any documentary you've seen in the US will have been produced in-house by NBC, ESPN etc.

The Premier League Extra Time channels are available on TV too, they're not just for the app, so US viewers aren't restricted to app/online only, they just have to key in the appropriate numbers on the remote.

They're the same feeds shown on PLP because there is only one feed - it's the world feed. The pictures are identical on every broadcaster in the world, including Sky Sports and BT Sport. The only difference when a match is being broadcast in the UK is that the domestic broadcaster will produce their own coverage but all camerawork is identical the world over.

yes. Trans World International supply the world feeds. NBCSN do not produce any documentaries on the premier league. I recently saw a documentary on Arsenals visit to the states. All the branding on footage used was the same branding used for the world feeds on live soccer matches. Trans World international are based in the US though.

jcm193 · 20-08-2014, 16:04

Same channel 10e was the distribution feed when people started talking about it online it was encrypted i think its still there but i no longer have the equipment to check it

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Originally Posted by promo-only

There was a dedicated Viasat Premier League HD channel that was basically PLTV - it carried the 24/7 feed including 3 live matches etc. Not sure if they still run it now though since the clampdown began.

sambhi92 · 20-08-2014, 16:19

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Originally Posted by promo-only

There was a dedicated Viasat Premier League HD channel that was basically PLTV - it carried the 24/7 feed including 3 live matches etc. Not sure if they still run it now though since the clampdown began.

No longer there now, Almost all Sat dead.

But did you get the studio stuff through the app? Would be interesting if you did.

lamby · 20-08-2014, 16:22

Back to PLP suspensions, someone on Twitter using (Unblock) is adament he used the VPN service and had the suspension email.

lamby · 20-08-2014, 16:23

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Originally Posted by sambhi92

Was that via the star sports app? Did you get the studio stuff during half and full time through the app?

The Star Sports app has British presenters. Andy Townsend is a pundit.

jcm193 · 20-08-2014, 16:27

yep premier league tv official feed

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Originally Posted by lamby

The Star Sports app has British presenters. Andy Townsend is a pundit.

gother · 20-08-2014, 16:34

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Originally Posted by lamby

Back to PLP suspensions, someone on Twitter using (Unblock) is adament he used the VPN service and had the suspension email.

I have a friend who used bear tunnel vpn services, they got the suspension email today from plp.

Lostlam · 20-08-2014, 16:39

Looks like Starsports will be the only service left by the end of the week.

lamby · 20-08-2014, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Lostlam

Looks like Starsports will be the only service left by the end of the week.

Dont speak too soon.. I just had a "account suspended" message......

only kidding....

But seriously, i am expecting it.

Lostlam · 20-08-2014, 16:46

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Originally Posted by lamby

Dont speak too soon.. I just had a "account suspended" message......

only kidding....

But seriously, i am expecting it.

Ha ha!

I guess it will probably follow. The service is very up and down though.

x5gb · 20-08-2014, 16:48

The world feeds are all the same but the individual broadcasters / streamers use their own equipment(in plp's case Neulion) to encode and in some cases convert from 25fps native to 30fps.

As I have been saying I really think this is where the problem lies with plp(Neulion are their providers who don't have a problem with either NFL Game Pass / NBA Game Time because theirs are not converted, they are native 30fps), there converters are not as sophisticated as other big corporations such as NBC (even there's are still as mushy looking without stutter).

There is another small streamer I won,t mention here that uses the same feeds and again are converted poorly and show the same stutter.

Simple answer is, they need to revert to 25fps or spend masses on new converters.

Brian_Bourdon · 20-08-2014, 16:56

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Originally Posted by lamby

Dont speak too soon.. I just had a "account suspended" message......

only kidding....

But seriously, i am expecting it.

Expecting it too.

Watched some stuff on their app today. Get some money's worth while I can, lol

Brian_Bourdon · 20-08-2014, 17:02

Update. Starsports have blocked my account!

Couldn't get it to stream anyway so nothing lost for $7. I wouldn't count on their service being available either.

myron_gaines · 20-08-2014, 17:09

^Wow nothing is left! lol

I convinced my house mate to use these services even after last season. Spent close £100 that's just two months of sky . Still not buying sky. You heard?

I'm going to refrain from discussing what works any more.

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Originally Posted by promo-only

That's basically what it comes down to! If she hadn't have pushed it into the headlines there wouldn't have been anywhere near as much of a clampdown as we've seen.

Yeah we had it good!

lamby · 20-08-2014, 17:11

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Originally Posted by Brian_Bourdon

Update. Starsports have blocked my account!

Couldn't get it to stream anyway so nothing lost for $7. I wouldn't count on their service being available either.

Are you joking? Just tested and was able to watch a replay with no trouble. Are you sure your connected properly? Show a screen shot pls.

I've only had a streaming issue once with Star Sports. What service are you using?

Lostlam · 20-08-2014, 17:15

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Originally Posted by Brian_Bourdon

Update. Starsports have blocked my account!

Couldn't get it to stream anyway so nothing lost for $7. I wouldn't count on their service being available either.

It's working fine for me.

20-08-2014, 15:16	#4626
timcl Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 19	Quote: Originally Posted by TechPower No speculation about the premier league review shows. They do produce their own highlight shows and documentaries on premier league teams.. A lot of these are shown abroad. I've seen some on NBC Sports Network Live channel in the US. What I don't seem to understand is PLP is streaming the premier league live feed for all games and NBC also stream the premier league live feed for some of the games since they can't air all the games on TV at once and only one game is shown on NBC SPORTS NETWORK at a time. They have only got one presenter and 2 studio analysts and link up with Gary Lineker in their studio in London for his analysis on the weekend games.I notice some of the other games not aired on their stations are aired online on Premier League Extra time within the app itself. These feeds are the same feeds shown on plp and they play smoothly. It baffles me really. Yes actually I got the same stream on MOD (Taiwanese) last year. The thing that I don't know is whether these providers have separate encoding when they attach to the raw feed coming from the premier league. Not sure about that but it would make sense as different providers will want different formats. Frankly though I don't like to speculate this too much, as I am really nowhere near an expert on live streaming and how stations deliver content.

20-08-2014, 15:29	#4627
promo-only Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,935	Quote: Originally Posted by TechPower No speculation about the premier league review shows. They do produce their own highlight shows and documentaries on premier league teams.. A lot of these are shown abroad. I've seen some on NBC Sports Network Live channel in the US. What I don't seem to understand is PLP is streaming the premier league live feed for all games and NBC also stream the premier league live feed for some of the games since they can't air all the games on TV at once and only one game is shown on NBC SPORTS NETWORK at a time. They have only got one presenter and 2 studio analysts and link up with Gary Lineker in their studio in London for his analysis on the weekend games.I notice some of the other games not aired on their stations are aired online on Premier League Extra time within the app itself. These feeds are the same feeds shown on plp and they play smoothly. It baffles me really. The only PLP/IMG produced shows are the Preview, Review and World shows, and of course the extended highlights - these are the exact same ones that Sky use as part of their 'Football First' show every Saturday night, including the same world feed commentary too. Any documentary you've seen in the US will have been produced in-house by NBC, ESPN etc. The Premier League Extra Time channels are available on TV too, they're not just for the app, so US viewers aren't restricted to app/online only, they just have to key in the appropriate numbers on the remote. They're the same feeds shown on PLP because there is only one feed - it's the world feed. The pictures are identical on every broadcaster in the world, including Sky Sports and BT Sport. The only difference when a match is being broadcast in the UK is that the domestic broadcaster will produce their own coverage but all camerawork is identical the world over.

20-08-2014, 15:35	#4628
lamby Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 3,332	On Star Sports, is the pre/post match studio stuff just a generic feed from the PL for international broadcasters? I noticed no branding in the studio.

20-08-2014, 15:40	#4629
promo-only Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,935	Quote: Originally Posted by lamby On Star Sports, is the pre/post match studio stuff just a generic feed from the PL for international broadcasters? I noticed no branding in the studio. It is yes, it's just referred to as 'PLTV', primarily goes out in Asia but can be seen in a few other countries like Canada too. Very few rights holders broadcast it though - they use their own instead. The reason it has no branding is because the Premier League package it up as a complete 'off the shelf' product so any international rights holder can buy the rights and have everything from commentary to studio analysis provided for them if they wish to take it. Most rights holders use their own studio set-up with local recognisable talent though.

20-08-2014, 15:41	#4630
lamby Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 3,332	Quote: Originally Posted by promo-only It is yes, it's just referred to as 'PLTV', primarily goes out in Asia but can be seen in a few other countries like Canada too. Very few rights holders broadcast it though - they use their own instead. The reason it has no branding is because the Premier League package it up as a complete 'off the shelf' product so any international rights holder can buy the rights and have everything from commentary to studio analysis provided for them if they wish to take it. Most rights holders use their own studio set-up with local recognisable talent though. Thanks for that. I guess its why Star Sports are so cheap for the online service. Do Star Sports broadcast Indian coverage in India on TV?

20-08-2014, 15:49	#4631
sambhi92 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 24	Quote: Originally Posted by promo-only It is yes, it's just referred to as 'PLTV', primarily goes out in Asia but can be seen in a few other countries like Canada too. Very few rights holders broadcast it though - they use their own instead. The reason it has no branding is because the Premier League package it up as a complete 'off the shelf' product so any international rights holder can buy the rights and have everything from commentary to studio analysis provided for them if they wish to take it. Most rights holders use their own studio set-up with local recognisable talent though. Was that via the star sports app? Did you get the studio stuff during half and full time through the app?

20-08-2014, 15:53	#4632
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	There is even a tv channel on 10E this was FTA for a long time so people where able to get 3 live games on a Saturday in HD Quote: Originally Posted by promo-only It is yes, it's just referred to as 'PLTV', primarily goes out in Asia but can be seen in a few other countries like Canada too. Very few rights holders broadcast it though - they use their own instead. The reason it has no branding is because the Premier League package it up as a complete 'off the shelf' product so any international rights holder can buy the rights and have everything from commentary to studio analysis provided for them if they wish to take it. Most rights holders use their own studio set-up with local recognisable talent though.

20-08-2014, 15:55	#4633
promo-only Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,935	Quote: Originally Posted by lamby Thanks for that. I guess its why Star Sports are so cheap for the online service. Do Star Sports broadcast Indian coverage in India on TV? I don't think so, no. Think it's just the same feeds on Star Sports 2/4 & HD1 unless they offer a local off-tube commentary but I don't think they do. It's just cheap & cheerful. It covers the whole of South Asia so I imagine they keep it simple instead of producing different coverage for each country/region they broadcast to.

20-08-2014, 16:01	#4634
promo-only Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,935	Quote: Originally Posted by jcm193 There is even a tv channel on 10E this was FTA for a long time so people where able to get 3 live games on a Saturday in HD There was a dedicated Viasat Premier League HD channel that was basically PLTV - it carried the 24/7 feed including 3 live matches etc. Not sure if they still run it now though since the clampdown began.

20-08-2014, 16:02	#4635
TechPower Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 72	Quote: Originally Posted by promo-only The only PLP/IMG produced shows are the Preview, Review and World shows, and of course the extended highlights - these are the exact same ones that Sky use as part of their 'Football First' show every Saturday night, including the same world feed commentary too. Any documentary you've seen in the US will have been produced in-house by NBC, ESPN etc. The Premier League Extra Time channels are available on TV too, they're not just for the app, so US viewers aren't restricted to app/online only, they just have to key in the appropriate numbers on the remote. They're the same feeds shown on PLP because there is only one feed - it's the world feed. The pictures are identical on every broadcaster in the world, including Sky Sports and BT Sport. The only difference when a match is being broadcast in the UK is that the domestic broadcaster will produce their own coverage but all camerawork is identical the world over. yes. Trans World International supply the world feeds. NBCSN do not produce any documentaries on the premier league. I recently saw a documentary on Arsenals visit to the states. All the branding on footage used was the same branding used for the world feeds on live soccer matches. Trans World international are based in the US though.

20-08-2014, 16:04	#4636
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	Same channel 10e was the distribution feed when people started talking about it online it was encrypted i think its still there but i no longer have the equipment to check it Quote: Originally Posted by promo-only There was a dedicated Viasat Premier League HD channel that was basically PLTV - it carried the 24/7 feed including 3 live matches etc. Not sure if they still run it now though since the clampdown began.

20-08-2014, 16:19	#4637
sambhi92 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 24	Quote: Originally Posted by promo-only There was a dedicated Viasat Premier League HD channel that was basically PLTV - it carried the 24/7 feed including 3 live matches etc. Not sure if they still run it now though since the clampdown began. No longer there now, Almost all Sat dead. But did you get the studio stuff through the app? Would be interesting if you did.

20-08-2014, 16:22	#4638
lamby Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 3,332	Back to PLP suspensions, someone on Twitter using (Unblock) is adament he used the VPN service and had the suspension email.

20-08-2014, 16:23	#4639
lamby Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 3,332	Quote: Originally Posted by sambhi92 Was that via the star sports app? Did you get the studio stuff during half and full time through the app? The Star Sports app has British presenters. Andy Townsend is a pundit.

20-08-2014, 16:27	#4640
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	yep premier league tv official feed Quote: Originally Posted by lamby The Star Sports app has British presenters. Andy Townsend is a pundit.

20-08-2014, 16:34	#4641
gother Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Venus and Mars Posts: 9,027	Quote: Originally Posted by lamby Back to PLP suspensions, someone on Twitter using (Unblock) is adament he used the VPN service and had the suspension email. I have a friend who used bear tunnel vpn services, they got the suspension email today from plp.

20-08-2014, 16:39	#4642
Lostlam Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 190	Looks like Starsports will be the only service left by the end of the week.

20-08-2014, 16:41	#4643
lamby Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 3,332	Quote: Originally Posted by Lostlam Looks like Starsports will be the only service left by the end of the week. Dont speak too soon.. I just had a "account suspended" message...... only kidding.... But seriously, i am expecting it.

20-08-2014, 16:46	#4644
Lostlam Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 190	Quote: Originally Posted by lamby Dont speak too soon.. I just had a "account suspended" message...... only kidding.... But seriously, i am expecting it. Ha ha! I guess it will probably follow. The service is very up and down though.

20-08-2014, 16:48	#4645
x5gb Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 29	The world feeds are all the same but the individual broadcasters / streamers use their own equipment(in plp's case Neulion) to encode and in some cases convert from 25fps native to 30fps. As I have been saying I really think this is where the problem lies with plp(Neulion are their providers who don't have a problem with either NFL Game Pass / NBA Game Time because theirs are not converted, they are native 30fps), there converters are not as sophisticated as other big corporations such as NBC (even there's are still as mushy looking without stutter). There is another small streamer I won,t mention here that uses the same feeds and again are converted poorly and show the same stutter. Simple answer is, they need to revert to 25fps or spend masses on new converters.

20-08-2014, 16:56	#4646
Brian_Bourdon Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: The American West Coast Posts: 315	Quote: Originally Posted by lamby Dont speak too soon.. I just had a "account suspended" message...... only kidding.... But seriously, i am expecting it. Expecting it too. Watched some stuff on their app today. Get some money's worth while I can, lol

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20-08-2014, 17:02	#4647
Brian_Bourdon Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: The American West Coast Posts: 315	Update. Starsports have blocked my account! Couldn't get it to stream anyway so nothing lost for $7. I wouldn't count on their service being available either.

20-08-2014, 17:09	#4648
myron_gaines Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 64	^Wow nothing is left! lol I convinced my house mate to use these services even after last season. Spent close £100 that's just two months of sky . Still not buying sky. You heard? I'm going to refrain from discussing what works any more. Quote: Originally Posted by promo-only That's basically what it comes down to! If she hadn't have pushed it into the headlines there wouldn't have been anywhere near as much of a clampdown as we've seen. Yeah we had it good!

20-08-2014, 17:11	#4649
lamby Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 3,332	Quote: Originally Posted by Brian_Bourdon Update. Starsports have blocked my account! Couldn't get it to stream anyway so nothing lost for $7. I wouldn't count on their service being available either. Are you joking? Just tested and was able to watch a replay with no trouble. Are you sure your connected properly? Show a screen shot pls. I've only had a streaming issue once with Star Sports. What service are you using?

20-08-2014, 17:15	#4650
Lostlam Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 190	Quote: Originally Posted by Brian_Bourdon Update. Starsports have blocked my account! Couldn't get it to stream anyway so nothing lost for $7. I wouldn't count on their service being available either. It's working fine for me.