premier league thread

lylina · 02-11-2013, 10:27

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I tried watching those free channels without logging in and they were perfectly fine, but after i logged in, the picture quality and framerate dropped drastically...has anyone else noticed this?

yep just tried, same thing happens to me.

Messala · 02-11-2013, 10:57

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Originally Posted by ralphswine

I suspect the new mechanism is looking at things like round trip times which would clearly demonstrate to aljaz that its not being watched in the MENA region. I have a friend in Morocco that has confirmed that aljaz is all fine for him when on his home broadband connection.

ralph

Well, I guess that's it then, when even a (normally working) DNS-service becomes useless because of that new mechanism then AJS finally really seem to have won

I mean, what else could we try out now? Unless they change it back again (but why should they do that?) it seems hopeless

jcm193 · 02-11-2013, 11:18

Time to officially ditch and move on then

lylina · 02-11-2013, 11:42

has anyone tried using a vpn instead of smartdns?

jcm193 · 02-11-2013, 11:57

yes its exactly the same

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Originally Posted by lylina

has anyone tried using a vpn instead of smartdns?

heedlessmunkey · 02-11-2013, 11:59

Anyone tried using Android. I've locked myself out my account, so can't.

Thought it might work as it's not full flash. Doesn't handle the dual audio stream well though. Left and right channel is either language

jcm193 · 02-11-2013, 12:09

Where did you get the app from

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Originally Posted by heedlessmunkey

Anyone tried using Android. I've locked myself out my account, so can't.

Thought it might work as it's not full flash. Doesn't handle the dual audio stream well though. Left and right channel is either language

The Big Roberto · 02-11-2013, 12:16

Same here. Can't even use the app, it says "too many devises" but I only use it on my PC and iPad ! And not at the same time

heedlessmunkey · 02-11-2013, 12:16

Not the app. I've got that but it sucks. You can get it by using the Egypt vpn and creating a new Google account and using that in Google play while under the vpn.

I meant with Firefox and the flash plug in.

jcm193 · 02-11-2013, 12:26

I found it on xda ive not tried it on a android based browser yet i will give it 20 minutes and try again

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Originally Posted by heedlessmunkey

Not the app. I've got that but it sucks. You can get it by using the Egypt vpn and creating a new Google account and using that in Google play while under the vpn.

I meant with Firefox and the flash plug in.

ralphswine · 02-11-2013, 13:31

even when using a vpn / proxy setup the round trip times are not going to be genuine when they report back. If you use say eygpt then you are adding about 320ms to the roundtrip. Whereas a genuine user in eygpt would hit the akamai streaming servers in say 100ms. There would be some leverage on this mechanism to take into account slower connections in the countries concerned. So it would need some clever routing by the dns companies after the talkback site/ip in question is identified. Also believe what there doing is illegal as it causes firefox for example to lockup and crash after some time if you leave it running. The talkback is happening on a non HTTP so only way to identify is with a program called wireshark and look at all packets in/out over your pc's connection. Then just a matter of adding that IP to your firewall and blocking it.

The reason IOS is ok is because the app's are sandboxed so they can't talk back to unknown ports etc. Also IOS is built on unix so very very secure.

I am sure the clever guys at the DNS providers can easily identify this traffic but its wether they want to or not.

ralph

lylina · 02-11-2013, 13:33

edit!

ralphswine · 02-11-2013, 13:37

probably your dns provider trying to get things sorted. When the channels don't load its because the geo check isn't happening

lylina · 02-11-2013, 13:38

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Originally Posted by ralphswine

probably your dns provider trying to get things sorted. When the channels don't load its because the geo check isn't happening

Yeah, I just tried again and I can confirm that the Android app works without any problems. It's streaming in HD without framerate issues.

heedlessmunkey · 02-11-2013, 13:42

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Originally Posted by lylina

Yeah, I just tried again and I can confirm that the Android app works without any problems. It's streaming in HD without framerate issues.

What device are you running it on? Is this through the vpn as didnt think smartdns supported the app

lylina · 02-11-2013, 13:46

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Originally Posted by heedlessmunkey

What device are you running it on? Is this through the vpn as didnt think smartdns supported the app

im running it on my s4 with smartdns

ralphswine · 02-11-2013, 13:54

also on laptop today noticed my account email for jsc displaying on the screen ; rather annoying as its right in the middle. what's that all about ?? Seems loads of changes have happened !! Anyone tried on mac ios ?? Would be interesting to know if there are framerate issues there.

ralph

Placebo_PRS · 02-11-2013, 14:55

Was hoping to watch the Sheffield Wednesday match, laggy on PC and on the Android app I can't find the .tv chanel?

heedlessmunkey · 02-11-2013, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Placebo_PRS

Was hoping to watch the Sheffield Wednesday match, laggy on PC and on the Android app I can't find the .tv chanel?

Under event schedule. I hate the app, no landscape video on my tablets!

akki007 · 02-11-2013, 15:59

The iphone app with atv is perfect. It's AJS flash player that's gone haywire but surely it would be the same for users in mena?

akki007 · 02-11-2013, 16:09

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Originally Posted by ralphswine

Yep i noticed that too. If not logged in and free channels are watched then all is ok which proves there is no issue with flash or the content delivery network for the streams. There is a new mechanism in play which is causing packet loss on the stream which results in frames dropping. If once a stream is playing you toggle on the performance monitor in flash . You will see when the stream starts you get 25 fps and the ms ( latency ) is very low. As time passes the fps drops to say around 10 and the ms is growing continually.
I suspect the new mechanism is looking at things like round trip times which would clearly demonstrate to aljaz that its not being watched in the MENA region. I have a friend in Morocco that has confirmed that aljaz is all fine for him when on his home broadband connection.

ralph

If this was the case, wouldn't vpn services work properly then?

jcm193 · 02-11-2013, 16:29

ive tried two dns services and a vpn and they all terrible on a pc on my note2 its perfect with just using a dns service,sadly i dont understand arabic so its no go for me.

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Originally Posted by akki007

If this was the case, wouldn't vpn services work properly then?

ralphswine · 02-11-2013, 16:31

akki , users in mena on normal broadband all ok through laptops/pc's confirmed 100%.

If you appear as a user in say eygpt then akamai/jsc know that your ping to the akamai servers etc should be say between 50-160ms depending on broadband speeds. When you use vpn your adding the latency/ping of the transit between say UK and eygpt which round trips at about 320ms. This is already out of say a given threshold. JSC have confirmed over email that they have no issues from there end whatsoever.

Also if it was flash that was screwed up how could you explain the free streams say global , 1 & 2 working perfectly until you actually log in !!!

A new measure has been added and if they can do it i am sure all providers can follow suit and stop smart dns services working completely. It is therefore however in the interest of the dns providers to remedy this sooner rather than later otherwise there pockets will become empty.

Ethically i think JSC have done a backdoor process as for something to lock up a browser isn't ethically correct. The new servers being talked back to are in russia and are listed within IP ranges blacklisted worldwide. This comes back to my point of what jsc have done is not ethically correct as they are almost pushing an exploit/hack/trojan to our PC's

ralph

akki007 · 02-11-2013, 16:37

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Originally Posted by ralphswine

akki , users in mena on normal broadband all ok through laptops/pc's confirmed 100%.

If you appear as a user in say eygpt then akamai/jsc know that your ping to the akamai servers etc should be say between 50-160ms depending on broadband speeds. When you use vpn your adding the latency/ping of the transit between say UK and eygpt which round trips at about 320ms. This is already out of say a given threshold. JSC have confirmed over email that they have no issues from there end whatsoever.

Also if it was flash that was screwed up how could you explain the free streams say global , 1 & 2 working perfectly until you actually log in !!!

A new measure has been added and if they can do it i am sure all providers can follow suit and stop smart dns services working completely. It is therefore however in the interest of the dns providers to remedy this sooner rather than later otherwise there pockets will become empty.

Ethically i think JSC have done a backdoor process as for something to lock up a browser isn't ethically correct. The new servers being talked back to are in russia and are listed within IP ranges blacklisted worldwide. This comes back to my point of what jsc have done is not ethically correct as they are almost pushing an exploit/hack/trojan to our PC's

ralph

Aah, that all makes sense. Sounds like that's what's happening then. How do they restrict the frame rate based on ping? Also, when I have asked them about it they have directedme to ping test.net! You may be onto it!

lylina · 02-11-2013, 16:53

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Originally Posted by ralphswine

akki , users in mena on normal broadband all ok through laptops/pc's confirmed 100%.

If you appear as a user in say eygpt then akamai/jsc know that your ping to the akamai servers etc should be say between 50-160ms depending on broadband speeds. When you use vpn your adding the latency/ping of the transit between say UK and eygpt which round trips at about 320ms. This is already out of say a given threshold. JSC have confirmed over email that they have no issues from there end whatsoever.

Also if it was flash that was screwed up how could you explain the free streams say global , 1 & 2 working perfectly until you actually log in !!!

A new measure has been added and if they can do it i am sure all providers can follow suit and stop smart dns services working completely. It is therefore however in the interest of the dns providers to remedy this sooner rather than later otherwise there pockets will become empty.

Ethically i think JSC have done a backdoor process as for something to lock up a browser isn't ethically correct. The new servers being talked back to are in russia and are listed within IP ranges blacklisted worldwide. This comes back to my point of what jsc have done is not ethically correct as they are almost pushing an exploit/hack/trojan to our PC's

ralph

Tbh your theory sounds really far fetched and it does not explain why the Android app is still working fine.

02-11-2013, 10:27	#1976
lylina Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Pisa Posts: 314	Quote: Originally Posted by Donhou I tried watching those free channels without logging in and they were perfectly fine, but after i logged in, the picture quality and framerate dropped drastically...has anyone else noticed this? yep just tried, same thing happens to me.

02-11-2013, 10:57	#1977
Messala Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 9	Quote: Originally Posted by ralphswine I suspect the new mechanism is looking at things like round trip times which would clearly demonstrate to aljaz that its not being watched in the MENA region. I have a friend in Morocco that has confirmed that aljaz is all fine for him when on his home broadband connection. ralph Well, I guess that's it then, when even a (normally working) DNS-service becomes useless because of that new mechanism then AJS finally really seem to have won I mean, what else could we try out now? Unless they change it back again (but why should they do that?) it seems hopeless

02-11-2013, 11:18	#1978
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	Time to officially ditch and move on then

02-11-2013, 11:42	#1979
lylina Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Pisa Posts: 314	has anyone tried using a vpn instead of smartdns?

02-11-2013, 11:57	#1980
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	yes its exactly the same Quote: Originally Posted by lylina has anyone tried using a vpn instead of smartdns?

02-11-2013, 11:59	#1981
heedlessmunkey Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 69	Anyone tried using Android. I've locked myself out my account, so can't. Thought it might work as it's not full flash. Doesn't handle the dual audio stream well though. Left and right channel is either language

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jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	Where did you get the app from Quote: Originally Posted by heedlessmunkey Anyone tried using Android. I've locked myself out my account, so can't. Thought it might work as it's not full flash. Doesn't handle the dual audio stream well though. Left and right channel is either language

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The Big Roberto Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newcastle Posts: 127	Same here. Can't even use the app, it says "too many devises" but I only use it on my PC and iPad ! And not at the same time

02-11-2013, 12:16	#1984
heedlessmunkey Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 69	Not the app. I've got that but it sucks. You can get it by using the Egypt vpn and creating a new Google account and using that in Google play while under the vpn. I meant with Firefox and the flash plug in.

02-11-2013, 12:26	#1985
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	I found it on xda ive not tried it on a android based browser yet i will give it 20 minutes and try again Quote: Originally Posted by heedlessmunkey Not the app. I've got that but it sucks. You can get it by using the Egypt vpn and creating a new Google account and using that in Google play while under the vpn. I meant with Firefox and the flash plug in.

02-11-2013, 13:31	#1986
ralphswine Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 21	even when using a vpn / proxy setup the round trip times are not going to be genuine when they report back. If you use say eygpt then you are adding about 320ms to the roundtrip. Whereas a genuine user in eygpt would hit the akamai streaming servers in say 100ms. There would be some leverage on this mechanism to take into account slower connections in the countries concerned. So it would need some clever routing by the dns companies after the talkback site/ip in question is identified. Also believe what there doing is illegal as it causes firefox for example to lockup and crash after some time if you leave it running. The talkback is happening on a non HTTP so only way to identify is with a program called wireshark and look at all packets in/out over your pc's connection. Then just a matter of adding that IP to your firewall and blocking it. The reason IOS is ok is because the app's are sandboxed so they can't talk back to unknown ports etc. Also IOS is built on unix so very very secure. I am sure the clever guys at the DNS providers can easily identify this traffic but its wether they want to or not. ralph

02-11-2013, 13:33	#1987
lylina Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Pisa Posts: 314	edit!

02-11-2013, 13:37	#1988
ralphswine Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 21	probably your dns provider trying to get things sorted. When the channels don't load its because the geo check isn't happening

02-11-2013, 13:38	#1989
lylina Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Pisa Posts: 314	Quote: Originally Posted by ralphswine probably your dns provider trying to get things sorted. When the channels don't load its because the geo check isn't happening Yeah, I just tried again and I can confirm that the Android app works without any problems. It's streaming in HD without framerate issues.

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heedlessmunkey Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 69	Quote: Originally Posted by lylina Yeah, I just tried again and I can confirm that the Android app works without any problems. It's streaming in HD without framerate issues. What device are you running it on? Is this through the vpn as didnt think smartdns supported the app

02-11-2013, 13:46	#1991
lylina Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Pisa Posts: 314	Quote: Originally Posted by heedlessmunkey What device are you running it on? Is this through the vpn as didnt think smartdns supported the app im running it on my s4 with smartdns

02-11-2013, 13:54	#1992
ralphswine Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 21	also on laptop today noticed my account email for jsc displaying on the screen ; rather annoying as its right in the middle. what's that all about ?? Seems loads of changes have happened !! Anyone tried on mac ios ?? Would be interesting to know if there are framerate issues there. ralph

02-11-2013, 14:55	#1993
Placebo_PRS Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 125	Was hoping to watch the Sheffield Wednesday match, laggy on PC and on the Android app I can't find the .tv chanel?

02-11-2013, 15:25	#1994
heedlessmunkey Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 69	Quote: Originally Posted by Placebo_PRS Was hoping to watch the Sheffield Wednesday match, laggy on PC and on the Android app I can't find the .tv chanel? Under event schedule. I hate the app, no landscape video on my tablets!

02-11-2013, 15:59	#1995
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	The iphone app with atv is perfect. It's AJS flash player that's gone haywire but surely it would be the same for users in mena?

02-11-2013, 16:09	#1996
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Quote: Originally Posted by ralphswine Yep i noticed that too. If not logged in and free channels are watched then all is ok which proves there is no issue with flash or the content delivery network for the streams. There is a new mechanism in play which is causing packet loss on the stream which results in frames dropping. If once a stream is playing you toggle on the performance monitor in flash . You will see when the stream starts you get 25 fps and the ms ( latency ) is very low. As time passes the fps drops to say around 10 and the ms is growing continually. I suspect the new mechanism is looking at things like round trip times which would clearly demonstrate to aljaz that its not being watched in the MENA region. I have a friend in Morocco that has confirmed that aljaz is all fine for him when on his home broadband connection. ralph If this was the case, wouldn't vpn services work properly then?

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02-11-2013, 16:29	#1997
jcm193 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,086	ive tried two dns services and a vpn and they all terrible on a pc on my note2 its perfect with just using a dns service,sadly i dont understand arabic so its no go for me. Quote: Originally Posted by akki007 If this was the case, wouldn't vpn services work properly then?

02-11-2013, 16:31	#1998
ralphswine Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 21	akki , users in mena on normal broadband all ok through laptops/pc's confirmed 100%. If you appear as a user in say eygpt then akamai/jsc know that your ping to the akamai servers etc should be say between 50-160ms depending on broadband speeds. When you use vpn your adding the latency/ping of the transit between say UK and eygpt which round trips at about 320ms. This is already out of say a given threshold. JSC have confirmed over email that they have no issues from there end whatsoever. Also if it was flash that was screwed up how could you explain the free streams say global , 1 & 2 working perfectly until you actually log in !!! A new measure has been added and if they can do it i am sure all providers can follow suit and stop smart dns services working completely. It is therefore however in the interest of the dns providers to remedy this sooner rather than later otherwise there pockets will become empty. Ethically i think JSC have done a backdoor process as for something to lock up a browser isn't ethically correct. The new servers being talked back to are in russia and are listed within IP ranges blacklisted worldwide. This comes back to my point of what jsc have done is not ethically correct as they are almost pushing an exploit/hack/trojan to our PC's ralph

02-11-2013, 16:37	#1999
akki007 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 772	Quote: Originally Posted by ralphswine akki , users in mena on normal broadband all ok through laptops/pc's confirmed 100%. If you appear as a user in say eygpt then akamai/jsc know that your ping to the akamai servers etc should be say between 50-160ms depending on broadband speeds. When you use vpn your adding the latency/ping of the transit between say UK and eygpt which round trips at about 320ms. This is already out of say a given threshold. JSC have confirmed over email that they have no issues from there end whatsoever. Also if it was flash that was screwed up how could you explain the free streams say global , 1 & 2 working perfectly until you actually log in !!! A new measure has been added and if they can do it i am sure all providers can follow suit and stop smart dns services working completely. It is therefore however in the interest of the dns providers to remedy this sooner rather than later otherwise there pockets will become empty. Ethically i think JSC have done a backdoor process as for something to lock up a browser isn't ethically correct. The new servers being talked back to are in russia and are listed within IP ranges blacklisted worldwide. This comes back to my point of what jsc have done is not ethically correct as they are almost pushing an exploit/hack/trojan to our PC's ralph Aah, that all makes sense. Sounds like that's what's happening then. How do they restrict the frame rate based on ping? Also, when I have asked them about it they have directedme to ping test.net! You may be onto it!

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lylina Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Pisa Posts: 314	Quote: Originally Posted by ralphswine akki , users in mena on normal broadband all ok through laptops/pc's confirmed 100%. If you appear as a user in say eygpt then akamai/jsc know that your ping to the akamai servers etc should be say between 50-160ms depending on broadband speeds. When you use vpn your adding the latency/ping of the transit between say UK and eygpt which round trips at about 320ms. This is already out of say a given threshold. JSC have confirmed over email that they have no issues from there end whatsoever. Also if it was flash that was screwed up how could you explain the free streams say global , 1 & 2 working perfectly until you actually log in !!! A new measure has been added and if they can do it i am sure all providers can follow suit and stop smart dns services working completely. It is therefore however in the interest of the dns providers to remedy this sooner rather than later otherwise there pockets will become empty. Ethically i think JSC have done a backdoor process as for something to lock up a browser isn't ethically correct. The new servers being talked back to are in russia and are listed within IP ranges blacklisted worldwide. This comes back to my point of what jsc have done is not ethically correct as they are almost pushing an exploit/hack/trojan to our PC's ralph Tbh your theory sounds really far fetched and it does not explain why the Android app is still working fine.