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Old 14-08-2013, 09:39
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Lady Gaga was at the top of the charts 2009/2010 but seems to have lost that spark which set her apart from the rest. She would have easily beat artists like Katy Perry in the past and now is struggling. The media and critics seem to be going against her, im baffled. Maybe she tried to do to much to soon.

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Applause is still a success but nothing compared to the likes of Poker Face, Bad Romance, Just Dance
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Old 14-08-2013, 09:44
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Too early to suggest she's flopping TBH but the signs (certainly in the UK) were there with BTW that interest from the GP was waning. I think we will only be able to truly judge when the album is released.
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Old 14-08-2013, 09:49
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Too much hype, too much importance put on pretentious, navel-gazing nonsense - and I say this as a fan.

I saw The Monster Ball live - BTW tour just looked dull.

Sing the song, put on a great show. You are not Andy Warhol you are a pop star.
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Old 14-08-2013, 09:50
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I think people are bored of all the extra stuff that comes with her. I like some of her songs, but she's at her best IMO when she's just sat at the piano singing songs like You and I. I can't be doing with her walking round in a see-through dress with her bra and thong showing.
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Old 14-08-2013, 09:55
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I wouldn't say its gone wrong per say. She top of ITunes in something like 50 countries. However the formula with Gaga now seems to be fast rise, even quicker drop.

Her big test now is future singles from ARTPOP and the success of ARTPOP itself. If it sells less than BTW then her party might be on the decline. Its only then when we can fully judge.

I think her main problem has always been too much too soon. She basically did every style within such a short space of time it left her with little avenues to explore. This is evident by the return to TFM style with Applause. She hasn't gone forward. She has gone backwards.

I also think overhype and too much expectation has limited her greatly. I don't think Gaga was ever a good song writer. She is good at simple pop but that's all this is. The likes Lana and Adele are genuinely amazing at writing songs. Gaga just isn't. I also think the competition since 2009 has increased so she doesn't stand out like she used to.

One final thing. Teen girls can relate to Rihanna and Katy more than they can Gaga. If you are seen as weird or a freak, worse still uncool to support, then kids won't buy into you! This happened to the Spice Girls. They were massive for a period and couldn't do anything wrong. Then almost over night it became uncool to like them. I see the same happening to Gaga.

Then of course there is sections of her fans who have pissed off almost every other fan group going. They are basically responsible for alienating her. Well done for that.
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Old 14-08-2013, 09:58
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It went wrong when she decided to tell everyone how original and unique she and her music is. She hyped up Born This Way far too much and when it eventually got released, it was just utter tripe, really.

Applause is horrific and sounds like a filler/demo track. Her fans went from saying Applause would be number 1 in the US within two hours, to it then being 6 hours, to it then being 8 hours, to it now being excuses as to why people aren't buying it. It's quite hilarious to watch. Her fans have a lot to do with it too, they are the worst fan group of any artist, you say you don't like something on twitter and are bombarded with death threats from these 'Little Monsters'.
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:04
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She takes herself far too seriously. It wouldn't be so bad if she was producing music that was original and inspiring. Instead it's just banal pop that any current artist could have released. The goods she comes up with in terms of music just doesn't live up to her uber pretentious hyped up bile that she spews about herself. Not to mention the fact that her "monsters" appear to be some of the worst kinds of fans the world has ever seen.
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:06
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I think people are bored of all the extra stuff that comes with her. I like some of her songs, but she's at her best IMO when she's just sat at the piano singing songs like You and I. I can't be doing with her walking round in a see-through dress with her bra and thong showing.

The section of the show she did at that Radio 1 shindig where she basically sat at the piano singing (with IIRC that jazz trumpeter bloke) was extraordinarily good...she's clearly a very talented musician when you strip away all the superfluous stuff. But there's no way she has the sort of fan base that sort of stuff would sell to imo.
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:07
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ARTPOP is a really big album for her. If it's as good as TFM then the world's her oyster but I've heard nothing to suggest it will be. A few years ago she was being called the new queen of pop so it's a sign of how far she's fallen to being compared to Madonna to now being compared to just her 'contemporaries'. If ARTPOP is poor then I even think she'll fall behind Rihanna and Katy. She won't disappear altogether and I hope she doesn't as no one else gets people talking like she does and she does throw out some good pop tunes here and there but a lot of people have moved on from seeing her as unique and different to just seeing her as hype, hysterics and weirdness
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:11
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The music, pure and simple. She puts out music that is perfectly listenable but since BTW it's had no spark and is seemingly becoming very generic.

I mean that's not to say the likes of Katy, Britney, Rihanna ect aren't generic themselves but their aim seems to be to put out good solid pop songs, gaga is concentrating too much elsewhere like it matters.
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:24
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The section of the show she did at that Radio 1 shindig where she basically sat at the piano singing (with IIRC that jazz trumpeter bloke) was extraordinarily good...she's clearly a very talented musician when you strip away all the superfluous stuff. But there's no way she has the sort of fan base that sort of stuff would sell to imo.
The fans that love her for how extravagent she is might drop away, but there's the chance she will pick up a new legion of fans who prefer the more "normal" her?
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:37
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I think a lot of people got fed up of the hype and the overexposure. There's no denying that she's talented but her music is made out to be so much more than what it actually is. You'd think she was the second coming or something judging by how a lot of her fans act. Her music isn't any more profound or deep than most of the other pop music out there that a lot of her fans think she's above and better than.
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:43
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It's #1 on iTunes in 43 countries, #2 in 20 more - with ARTPOP being #1 in 45 countries (including the UK).
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:46
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The music to the backseat while she concentrated on her OTT image and she said that wouldn't happen in an interview.
Her quality of music has gone down since the FM, but her nutty fans think it's the best ever.
She also thinks she's some kind of God or Saint and her LM eat it all up.
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Old 14-08-2013, 10:52
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I think she overhypes herself, she should've stayed more underground. Syaing she was going to make the album of the decade, saying that the telephone video was going to be better than thriller, saying that her last tour had never been done before.

She should also stop announcing things so soon, people get bored 18 months later.

The girl can sing, she can play the piano, stick to what you are good at. Lay off the drugs and thinking you are the bees knees she would be a lot more likeable. If you're music is good enough you don't need to deny ripping off people, pretend to live in an egg and walk around in a meat dress.

Bjork can do it! but she isn't trying to be number 1, she does it because she's Bjork.
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Old 14-08-2013, 11:11
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I think she overhypes herself, she should've stayed more underground. Syaing she was going to make the album of the decade, saying that the telephone video was going to be better than thriller, saying that her last tour had never been done before.

She should also stop announcing things so soon, people get bored 18 months later.

The girl can sing, she can play the piano, stick to what you are good at. Lay off the drugs and thinking you are the bees knees she would be a lot more likeable. If you're music is good enough you don't need to deny ripping off people, pretend to live in an egg and walk around in a meat dress.

Bjork can do it! but she isn't trying to be number 1, she does it because she's Bjork.
FANTASTIC POST! Very clear you summed it up completely to the point! This is exactly what is wrong
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Old 14-08-2013, 11:27
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Her first two albums were great and full of singles, so she is pretty much finished now.

Like so many bands and artists before, the "difficult third album" will be average at best. I'm sure that her die-hard fans will probably buy it and praise it, but, in their heart of hearts, they won't like it as much as the first two, and it won't win her any new fans.

Nobody will give a damn about all the arty-farty nonsense if she isn't releasing good stuff regularly.

You might see her performing at Haven or Butlins next summer.
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Old 14-08-2013, 11:32
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I just love the attitude to music on these forums. Someone needs to tell all those artists that aren't selling millions of records and getting number 1s that they're doing music all wrong!.
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Old 14-08-2013, 11:34
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For me personally, I was always a fan. Loved all the singles from 'The Fame' and thought 'The Fame Monster' was brilliant. By then she started going strange but people found it quite comical and it kind of ran alongside her music if that makes sense.

However when Born This Way came along, the 'strangeness' completely over shadowed the music and almost made it impossible for the casual fan to enjoy the music because it was so hidden below everything. I know that I just want to listen and enjoy an album, not have to decode everything she does.

Now ARTPOP has come along, it just feels stale and like it's been done before. I mean this towards the single AND the 'feel' to the era. For comparison (like KP as much as Gaga) the way Katy Perry launched her era felt really fresh. She kept her mouth shut and let the unique video teasers and the incredible lyrics video do all the talking and has pulled it off incredibly (and that's without taking about the actual single Roar)
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Old 14-08-2013, 11:40
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For me personally, I was always a fan. Loved all the singles from 'The Fame' and thought 'The Fame Monster' was brilliant. By then she started going strange but people found it quite comical and it kind of ran alongside her music if that makes sense.

However when Born This Way came along, the 'strangeness' completely over shadowed the music and almost made it impossible for the casual fan to enjoy the music because it was so hidden below everything. I know that I just want to listen and enjoy an album, not have to decode everything she does.

Now ARTPOP has come along, it just feels stale and like it's been done before. I mean this towards the single AND the 'feel' to the era. For comparison (like KP as much as Gaga) the way Katy Perry launched her era felt really fresh. She kept her mouth shut and let the unique video teasers and the incredible lyrics video do all the talking and has pulled it off incredibly (and that's without taking about the actual single Roar)
That completely covers it.
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Old 14-08-2013, 13:21
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The gimmicks. I'm so bored with them. I wasn't that keen on the fame album aside from the singles that were released and felt the rest was just filler.

I love the born this way album and play it all the time and I have high hopes for the new album. I just don't need the gimmicks
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Old 14-08-2013, 13:26
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It all went wrong on February 11th 2011 when she was the biggest popstar in the world and released a Madonna rip-off as her most hyped, anticipated and career defining single to date. 'Judas' only made matters worse to the point that the general public got sick of her.
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Old 14-08-2013, 13:28
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the music

you can't keep hyping up releases as groundbreaking artistic events only to deliver bad eurovision and expect the trick to keep working

she should it try the other way around one day, playing it low key and then releasing something people might want to hear more than once which they don't have to pretend to like
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Old 14-08-2013, 13:35
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the music

you can't keep hyping up releases as groundbreaking artistic events only to deliver bad eurovision and expect the trick to keep working

she should it try the other way around one day, playing it low key and then releasing something people might want to hear more than once which they don't have to pretend to like
Blasphemy. Eurovision = good.
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Old 14-08-2013, 13:37
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Maybe it's because I don't pay much attention to showbiz news but I've barely ever heard Gaga hyping her stuff up, I'm aware she has but I haven't heard any of it.
IMO I think she is as great now as she was 4 years ago, most people slate BTW but I absolutely loved it, fun, upbeat, catchy, some interesting experimentations on dance tracks like Scheisse and Americano kept me very interested and I am genuinely excited for her third album, and I say this as a normal, casual Gaga fan, I love her music but I am not a stan, I don't pay attention to the hype and "gimmicks" because all I do is go out, buy the album and enjoy the album, I only religiously keep up to date with my absolute favourite artist who is Britney Spears, but I still love Gaga and her music. And I think her new single is great.
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