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Hmmm. Have you seen the prices of some of their AV setups?
I have a Rotel AV processor -- it's very well screwed together. |
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It's now between the Prosound L64AA and a pro-ject debut 3. The pro-ject is about £40 but comes with no power supply and therefore untested. He said it's barely used, looks good and all.
I have no idea what to do. I could go for the pro-ject as a big risk, big reward, or just settle for the pro-audio. |
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It's now between the Prosound L64AA and a pro-ject debut 3. The pro-ject is about £40 but comes with no power supply and therefore untested. He said it's barely used, looks good and all.
I have no idea what to do. I could go for the pro-ject as a big risk, big reward, or just settle for the pro-audio. I would be more inclined to risk my hard earned on a device I could see working. How do you know the Pro-ject deck isn't a complete dud with a burnt out motor if you can't actually see it spinning a dis?. Not saying it is but I'm not sure I'd risk it. |
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The project takes a 16v PSU, which I can find for about £10 on ebay. The guy says it's relatively unused. It's a much better player and, if it works, should do me for a long time. I've looked up reviews and they're stellar.
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The project takes a 16v PSU, which I can find for about £10 on ebay. The guy says it's relatively unused. It's a much better player and, if it works, should do me for a long time. I've looked up reviews and they're stellar.
The Pro-ject Debut 3 is a 250-300 quid deck so even minus PSU I'd be querying why it's only going for 40 quid. It could be entirely genuine and a real bargain but if it was my money and I didn't know the history of the thing I'd be walking away. |
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He just messaged me, he said it hasn't been used for 2/3 years but it worked fine when he last used it. He knocked it down to £35 so I can find a psu. I think it's worth a go, if not, I could probably sell it as not working on ebay for a bit, maybe recover my money.
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Your words of wisdom kept playing in my head, chrisjr, and I've just bought the prosound! He knocked it down from £50 to £40 and said if I wasn't happy I could return it. I plugged it into an amp, but it had no ground, so it was really quiet. Seemed to work fine, I'll comment on sound when I plug it in properly, probably tomorrow.
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Having a ground or not will have zero effect on the volume level, or shouldn't. All it will have an effect on is the background hum level and even then I have had decks that hum more with the ground attached!
The only time it might have an effect is if the ground on the phono leads from turntable to amp was disconnected. That would seriously knacker the level! The other possible explanation is that the amp you have doesn't have a phono pre-amp. Or you've plugged into the wrong input I know on my old Denon amp it had a pair of sockets labelled Phono but the pre-amp is an optional extra. If not fitted it's a standard line in.With no pre-amp the level would be very very low and also sound very treble heavy and bass light. |
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I think the amp I plugged it into didn't have a preamp. I won't have this problem with my kenwood. I'll post more when I test it
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I think the amp I plugged it into didn't have a preamp. I won't have this problem with my kenwood. I'll post more when I test it
![]() ![]() Also completely lacking in bass. But £40 - BARGAIN!!
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I have now tried it and I'm utterly delighted! No more sibilance! And no more skipping whenever I walk past and jog the floorboards, as it weighs about 10 times as much as my Fisher!
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I can't say I've seen any Rotel gear for many years, I presumed they had ceased trading?.
Great kit at around the £350 mark each they were |
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Why bother with records at all?, particularly when you're only using equipment that wouldn't do justice to even cassettes?.
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Because vinyl played on any reasonable quality system still sounds better that any cd or mp3 download.
But as the case in point was an EXTREMELY low quality record playing system (considerably poorer than cassettes) it wasn't even a 'reasonably quality' system. |
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Having just come to this thread I cannot believe the OP is wasting time and money to assemble a new vinyl collection and the kit to play it. I have a large vinyl collection from the days when there was nothing else. A few years ago I did a major project to digitise the lot and photograph the album covers for mp3 tags.
I have never looked at the originals since. The only thing I might use them for for is to read the cover notes while the album is playing like I used to do - but frankly I never bother. Now I can have copies of anything in any collections I fancy. Use them all the time on hard disk with the hi fi, on CDROMs in the car and in the bedside clock radio, on my smart phone, etc. When I did the project I directly compared the vinyl and mp3 on my hi fi and nothing has been lost except the inconvenience of playing and changing albums. And of course my mp3s will never wear out.
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Having just come to this thread I cannot believe the OP is wasting time and money to assemble a new vinyl collection and the kit to play it. I have a large vinyl collection from the days when there was nothing else. A few years ago I did a major project to digitise the lot and photograph the album covers for mp3 tags.
I have never looked at the originals since. The only thing I might use them for for is to read the cover notes while the album is playing like I used to do - but frankly I never bother. Now I can have copies of anything in any collections I fancy. Use them all the time on hard disk with the hi fi, on CDROMs in the car and in the bedside clock radio, on my smart phone, etc. When I did the project I directly compared the vinyl and mp3 on my hi fi and nothing has been lost except the inconvenience of playing and changing albums. And of course my mp3s will never wear out. ![]() If you were comparing flax, or even CD to vinyl, then fair enough. But mp3 is one of the worst of them all tbh. |
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Sorry- but yes it has. You might not have been able to hear it, but I assure you, some of us can.
If you were comparing flax, or even CD to vinyl, then fair enough. But mp3 is one of the worst of them all tbh.
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I would imagine a decent bit rate MP3, taken directly from a CD, would be easily better than vinyl - but if you're considering vinyl as better than CD you're obviously enjoying the deficiencies of vinyl
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No doubt the audiophiles will be back to point out this is sacrilegious.
![]() ![]() CD and vinyl have different ways of presenting the music. With decent gear there's no reason why someone can't enjoy both. Now MP3 on the other hand ha ha ha
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Having just come to this thread I cannot believe the OP is wasting time and money to assemble a new vinyl collection and the kit to play it.
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Sorry- but yes it has. You might not have been able to hear it, but I assure you, some of us can.
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If you were comparing flax, or even CD to vinyl, then fair enough. But mp3 is one of the worst of them all tbh.
Number of people who can hear the difference between lossless and high bitrate mp3: very few, on very few audio signals.It is possible, and mp3 isn't perfect - but some people maintain a opinion based on hearing a 128kbps mp3 10 years ago and think all mp3s sound that bad, or hearing a 256kbps mp3 ripped from a modern nasty sounding clipped CD and this it's the mp3s fault. A properly encoded mp3 is rather hard to distinguish from the source - and comparing it to vinyl or cassette (never mind worn vinyl played on a cheap turntable!) is laughable. Cheers, David. |
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I would imagine a decent bit rate MP3, taken directly from a CD, would be easily better than vinyl - but if you're considering vinyl as better than CD you're obviously enjoying the deficiencies of vinyl
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I thought even cds were compressed?
They may well have had some dynamic range compression to lessen the change in volume between loud and quiet sections. That does seem increasingly popular these days. There is a possibility that the original recording used a higher sample rate and bit depth than CD. That would involve sample rate conversion to produce the finished CD. But that is subtly different to the bitrate compression scheme used to produce an mp3. |
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I'm very new to playing records and have a steepletone smc99r all in one thing. It's got me to start collecting vinyl but the sound quality is atrocious and it skips all the time.
So what I need is a record player that I can plug straight into computer speakers (which have an amp) via a jack input. I've looked into the Audio Technica LP60 and that seems to be ideal, but hard to find in England. My budget is pretty much under £100. Thank you Get an old Garrard, Rotel, Pioneer or Sony deck (ebay?) and a second hand amp such as an Arcam. Then its just some decent speakers...so some Mordant Shorts or Wharfedales |
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I thought even cds were compressed?
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No they aren't - and as far as studio compression goes, vinyl is far more compressed due to it's far inferior dynamic range.
Seems that "remastering" means sticking the master tape through a compressor with the Ratio knob turned up several notches compared to the original release. This Wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war has a graphic showing how the amount of compression on a Michael Jackson track has changed over the years. |
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I know on my old Denon amp it had a pair of sockets labelled Phono but the pre-amp is an optional extra. If not fitted it's a standard line in.
ha ha ha