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Babs aka Peggy tore up the script!
In a recent interview with Inside Soap Perry Fenwick about Peggys return and he stated that Barbara tore up the script and improvised!
If only the rest of the cast would do that when they are given crap scripts. |
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That means the episode isn't very good.
There's only so much improvisation can improve something.
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Barbara certainly knows Peggy better than the current writers do, so I don't blame her.
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In a recent interview with Inside Soap Perry Fenwick about Peggys return and he stated that Barbara tore up the script and improvised!
If only the rest of the cast would do that when they are given crap scripts. In this case its just a re-appearance and while Windsor might have been in EE when it was better, I'd say she came in after Grant and Phil's best days where behind them. They where still good generally but where much better in the early 90's before she came in imo. |
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Sorry but is Babs Windsor an oscar winning actress or am I missing something?
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...ys-return.html
I like Barbara Windsor. I dislike battle axe Peggy who is played brilliantly by her. I hope it's only for one episode as Peggy is horrible! |
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If true, I actually find that incredibly arrogant and rather concerning. If she had concerns about that it was out of character, she should have raised them with the script writers and got them to perform a rewrite, perhaps with her having made suggestions. At the end of the day, they are professional writers and she is not one. Even if she managed to make Peggy's part better because she knows her inside out, what about the lines for the characters she is interacting with - they don't matter I suppose.
It is a main reason that if actors are allowed to write or direct episodes of their own shows, they are invariable don't feature their own character due to the inevitable bias and also, they have usually had to take professional courses before hand. Look and James Houghton and John Pleshette in Knots Landing or even Leonard Nimoy in 'The Search for Spock' - Spock proper only appears in one scene and has I think 2 lines? |
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That means the episode isn't very good.
There's only so much improvisation can improve something. ![]() As an actor-in-training, I find improvisation to be incredibly useful and helpful for the scene. |
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If true, I actually find that incredibly arrogant and rather concerning. If she had concerns about that it was out of character, she should have raised them with the script writers and got them to perform a rewrite, perhaps with her having made suggestions. At the end of the day, they are professional writers and she is not one. Even if she managed to make Peggy's part better because she knows her inside out, what about the lines for the characters she is interacting with - they don't matter I suppose.
It is a main reason that if actors are allowed to write or direct episodes of their own shows, they are invariable don't feature their own character due to the inevitable bias and also, they have usually had to take professional courses before hand. Look and James Houghton and John Pleshette in Knots Landing or even Leonard Nimoy in 'The Search for Spock' - Spock proper only appears in one scene and has I think 2 lines? In the 90's I remember reading somewhere that an actor in Bevery Hills 90210 started to say "ERRR CUT, CUT" when reading the scripts and that person eventually left I think. I had gone off that character/actor long before then too. |
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I don't know whether its true but I heard Adam (Ian Beale, dunno how to spell his surname) improvises a lot.
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In a recent interview with Inside Soap Perry Fenwick about Peggys return and he stated that Barbara tore up the script and improvised!
If only the rest of the cast would do that when they are given crap scripts. ![]() http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...a-Thurman.html |
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I remember seeing a behind the scenes clip on Friends somehwhere and they showed a bit where some of the crew seemed to be asking Mathew Perry as to what to do on a certain part of the script. He seemed to react in my view as if it wasn't his job to do so but then came up with a gag that I didn't find funny but it was done and when they audience laughed a bit at it, the look on Perry's face irked me. Like he was satisfied that his joke "worked" but still a bit annoyed at being asked to do it.
In the 90's I remember reading somewhere that an actor in Bevery Hills 90210 started to say "ERRR CUT, CUT" when reading the scripts and that person eventually left I think. I had gone off that character/actor long before then too. Improv and ad iobbing - again it might depend on the extent of it. Changing the odd word or sentence construction to make it fit with the character's established speech patterns or make it more realistic for the area they are in is one thing. Joan Collins used to be able to change a lot in Dynasty with the excuse 'Alexis is English, this has been written by an American and an English person would never used that word' for example and she probably did make it better. But to change so much that the original meaning of the dialogue is lost or it throws the other actor in the scene off course because they have learnt a script that is now not being followed is a bit off in my opinion. |
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If true, I actually find that incredibly arrogant and rather concerning. If she had concerns about that it was out of character, she should have raised them with the script writers and got them to perform a rewrite, perhaps with her having made suggestions. At the end of the day, they are professional writers and she is not one. Even if she managed to make Peggy's part better because she knows her inside out, what about the lines for the characters she is interacting with - they don't matter I suppose.
It is a main reason that if actors are allowed to write or direct episodes of their own shows, they are invariable don't feature their own character due to the inevitable bias and also, they have usually had to take professional courses before hand. Look and James Houghton and John Pleshette in Knots Landing or even Leonard Nimoy in 'The Search for Spock' - Spock proper only appears in one scene and has I think 2 lines?
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I remember seeing a behind the scenes clip on Friends somehwhere and they showed a bit where some of the crew seemed to be asking Mathew Perry as to what to do on a certain part of the script. He seemed to react in my view as if it wasn't his job to do so but then came up with a gag that I didn't find funny but it was done and when they audience laughed a bit at it, the look on Perry's face irked me. Like he was satisfied that his joke "worked" but still a bit annoyed at being asked to do it.
In the 90's I remember reading somewhere that an actor in Bevery Hills 90210 started to say "ERRR CUT, CUT" when reading the scripts and that person eventually left I think. I had gone off that character/actor long before then too. . And I think Windsor is being a little arrogant. Considering she said in an interview that 'she's worried about the guest stint' |
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Interesting and yes I will defend Windsor on here as I've always followed her career and Im a big admirer of hers and her ilk of longevity type performers. Did you see the follow up piece in The Sun the day after this story was published. It said that in fact the American writers of the musical they were attending had recognized Windsor from her early stage career on Broadway (New York) and they introduced her to SJP and Uma Thur. There were also loads of other photos from that night.....I saw one of SJP introducing her son to Bab's. So The Sun took one photo and said it was a photobomb!!!! Hmmmmm....and you take the chance to accuse her of getting above her station. Not another jealous actor are you? Or someone with a personal grudge?? Sounds like it to me!!
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I used to love a show called Friday Night Lights which every acor ad libbed their own lines as long as they stuck to the main parts of the script they were allowed) but it did make it more realistic.
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I think that sitcoms can be a little different - especially those filmed in front of an audience because a lot of it is about timing (which is down to the actor) and judging the audience's reaction. Also, they have read throughs with the actors, writers and directors all present where they can make a group decision as to what works and what doesn't - changes can then be made and agreed on So, I don't really have a problem with actors being asked their opinions or for suggestions if they know their character well and have a good mind for snappy dialogue but I feel that it really has to be done alongside the writer and with their approval. To just rip someone else's work up (when in all likelihood they weren't asked about it and their name still appears on the end credits) is as I say very arrogant and rude and also possibly no better than what was there before.
Improv and ad iobbing - again it might depend on the extent of it. Changing the odd word or sentence construction to make it fit with the character's established speech patterns or make it more realistic for the area they are in is one thing. Joan Collins used to be able to change a lot in Dynasty with the excuse 'Alexis is English, this has been written by an American and an English person would never used that word' for example and she probably did make it better. But to change so much that the original meaning of the dialogue is lost or it throws the other actor in the scene off course because they have learnt a script that is now not being followed is a bit off in my opinion. Yeah some good point there. I do think actors are almost by definition very adaptable/versartile in what they can do so the onus should be more on the script writers to get it right but it can't hurt too much asking the actors for their take as long as the actors don't try and go for a "veto" on the script that is. I remember hearing/watching that one of the main players behind Only Fools and Horses wanted Jim Broadbent to play the part of Del Boy and wasn't keen on David Jason, it might have been the writer of Only Fools himself who wanted Broadbent to play that role I think and I can see how Broadbent could have easily have played that part well too instead of dodgy Roy Slater.
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I believe it was a line that Perry made up describing Ross and Rachel's Vegas wedding about how they were two bottles of vodka working round in human form
. And I think Windsor is being a little arrogant. Considering she said in an interview that 'she's worried about the guest stint' |
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That's actually quite disrespectful from a writers standpoint.
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That's actually quite disrespectful of her from a writers standpoint.
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In a recent interview with Inside Soap Perry Fenwick about Peggys return and he stated that Barbara tore up the script and improvised!
If only the rest of the cast would do that when they are given crap scripts. ![]() I doubt anyone knows her character like Babs does. Writers/producers have come and gone but she's been constant. What if the writer of this episode had been a bit shoddy re their homework on Peggy? Not bothered to look too hard at the way that Peggy previously spoke and behaved and just wrote it as they saw fit? If so I'm actually glad Barbara did this! Says a lot for current EE IMO. Or perhaps she was just having a diva moment! |
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Barbara is so disrespectful, what makes her think her screaching is any better than the writers?
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