thats the dream!!

Of course abled and disabled are different....

Its totally different circumstances and the public eye would constantly be on the disabled persons progress and coping in the house,and if successful would receive the majority of the vote for this reason.

Kenzie caugh the public eye for coping in the house at his age.

well surely this depends on the disability.

So are you saying that you did not mock victor in case someone accused you of being racist. . Take a look at this website and you will se that disabled people have a see of hummer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/features/l...gameshow.shtml

it's not the lack of humour of the contestants I'm worried about.. victor isn't disabled but the race issue was brought up by a few troublemakers which is my point

The Circumstances are no different and the public eye would no be on the disabled person’s progress and coping in the house then they have a gay person or a black person. Victor, Dan, kitten and macro where all successful this time and did not receive the majority of the vote.

lesson for today;
dont attempt to have a semi- intellectual conversation with this person. danys inability to understand vital points is legendary

That is my point just because the race issue was brought up by a few troublemakers, you are not suggesting that no black people should go on BB in the future so why should the same trouble should makers stop disabled people going on BB.

I think theres a slight difference here..

Why they were chosen by the producers is obvious. But the line I repeatedly heard for why Nadia should win (which she did by a large amount) from the voters was that she would feel accepted for who she is. You're right to point out that you could make the same argument for Victor, Marco, Kitten etc... But relatively few did at the time. Why?

In what has become such an ideologically liberal country, people seem to be forever looking for causes to support - homosexuality, transexuality, physical disabilites. With a house full of people belonging to minorities, it didn't surprise me in the slightest that the person associated with the most taboo subject of those ended up winning. The fact that the acceptance argument could have been used for a few others, but really wasn't, just shows how shallow it all was imo. Her sob story was simply seen as better, and more worthy of attention than any the others might have been.

The comment about how any disabled person will do, was just a quip about this horribly shallow mindset that pervades this country.

theres is no difference; Discrimination on grounds of disability is just the same as discrimination on the grounds of race

I would say that it's harder to identify the racial type..
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I would say that it's harder to identify some ones disability then it is to identify racial type

see what i mean........dont try and communicate for your own sake

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/features/l...gameshow.shtml

"For example, I largely attribute my game show failures to perceptions of my speech impairment, which causes me to speak a little differently to others."

Unlikely

On a more serious note. To prevent focusing on disability / special trait alone in a HM, one would simply have to put several HM of that group in. So several TS would have anulled the TS thing in Nadia.

So several of one group should make it irrelevant imo.

I can't really see that the health and saftey reason is valid, as they spent thousands on the last pseudo fashion crap instead of going to IKEA, so a ramp instead of a stair is hardly a problem.

Now I wonder if a German/Argentinian/French could win in Britain? One of the more historical controversial nations.

Know Alex was half german, well but he didn't win did he?

Would have liked to open a thread, but I am sure, I would be accused of trolling.

With due thought by Endemol, there is absolutely no reason why a disabled person could not take part. The first time it happens it would be an event. Subsequent disabled participants would not provoke comment.

If could make for interesting group dynamics.HMs would find it difficult to judge the public mood regarding their treatment of the disabled HM. Behave one way, and they become guilty of patronising the disabled HM instead of treating them as an equally competent fellow competitor.

Pay no heed to the disablity, and treat the disabled HM strictly as one more rival, and they risk suffering Jeremy's undoing as a result of his treatment of Jackie.

If the other HMs had never worked/ studied or lived with people suffering from the same level of disabilty, Endemol should ensure that they were given some approriate disability awareness training.This could be done when the HMs are initially holed up in a hotel. Shouting at someone who is profoundly deaf for example is rarely a successful strategy. Nor would be leaving personal items littering the floor to be tripped over by someone who has no vision whatsoever.

My only concern is that Endemol have proved themselves to be so crass on more than one occasion: would they have the sensitivity to have thought through the logistics properly beforehand?

I wonder why the Olympics Paralympics are still seperate events. The only real reason I can see is that it might be a too big event. On the other hand it might be cooler to watch Olympics over 4 weeks.

Again, I think several people with a disability would make it easier to overcome everybody focussing on the disability. BB is way too quota imo.

And people with a disability are people too, so will have fights rendering the subject void.
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must admit that your original post with regards to the above made me grin...witty, ironic humour...and so true!...
there IS an obsession within this society to be bending over backwards, at all costs, to check that all ie; ethnic-minorities ect are represented...
that's not a problem..my worry is the "at all costs" part of it.
here in the UK, i work within 'media/arts', and know people who have told me that they were awarded funding, (to complete commissions, opportunities ect), only because they 'fell' into an ethnic group..some say they feel insulted to be part of an ethnic-quota that needs to be pc-filled..and that their 'skills/ability' were secondary in importance...
yeh! when it comes to people-equality, the "tables have turned" in many respects, and they sure have NOT turned the correct side up...Yet.

however, i would'nt mind seeing a disabled contestant or a BB-disabled show...like "Dany" says, they have a sense of humour,...imo an incredible sense of humour...
i think it would be great for some people to see just how funny, controversial, rude, serious, and cheeky disabled folks are...it would'nt surprise me to see a few plates being deliberately thrown in the BB-house if that 'crew' are in it, with plenty jokes too.(smile!)

I personally think (at the risk of being shot down) that putting a disabled person in would not be a good idea as they are more vulnerable than those non disabled. Most disabled people have a whole network of support and carers in order to get by on a daily basis. Someone physically handicapped would have to rely on total strangers for as long as they were in the house. Endemol would have to take full responsibility for their safety.

Mentally disabled people would be put in a situation where those considered not mentally disabled often struggle to cope.

Big Brother is an intense scrutinised environment. It is perhaps for the safety of disabled people that no disabled person has been included as a housemate.

I do not know personally any disabled people and am quite sure that many will say I am wrong, just my honest opinion.

From a discrimination viewpoint, would a disabled person have the 'sympathy vote' from the general public, giving him/her an advantage of staying in longer than they otherwise would?. From a racist viewpoint it hasn't helped any black people, as yet anyway.

Would it make a difference if the person was white disabled or black disabled?

Personally I don't think it matters but , in reality we know things are different.

I think the majority of people in Britain are decent. So I don't think it matters. Many hostilities between humans are based on simply not knowing any body of a particular group and the corresponding feelings and a lot of misinformation.

Example: Blazin Squad

I am not particular interested in music, so all I heard is the jokes around me that it were a couple of neds collected at a local chip shop. Going after the life-histories of all modern pop groups is pretty unimportant to me.

Kenzie showed that above jokes are pile of bullshit.

That's why I generally like BB, cause it shows many people groups they would usually not come in contact with.

Besides all the commercial issues and the GG slur, I think that makes it a great show with a potential also to heal subconscious rifts in a society.

So no group should be excluded from the house, wherever possible.

Oh yeh definitely, its almost law now that all public places, bars, restaurants etc are wheelchair accessible. Although I've gone into some placed and they have a wheelchair toilet........up two or three steps!

As a person who knows a lot of people with disabilities of various kinds, I can tell you that just because their disabled in some way, would not automatically make them lovable to the public. Some of the most unpleasant people I've met are disabled.

The Big Brother house as it stands would not be wheelchair accessible. Putting someone in with a mental disability would be a very risky business IMO, considering housemates who are deemed of sound mind go bonkers in there sometimes.

I think a person who can walk but needs to use a cane, or a blind housemate maybe, it wouldn't be that hard to adapt the house for a blind housemate, also messages from Big Brother could be delivered in Braille so they could read it.

It would be good to have someone with some form of disability be given the opportunity in the Big Brother house. Then you could say people from absoloutely all backgrounds have been in there.