Any disabled housemates ever? (merged)

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Veri

27-01-2005

Originally Posted by metafis:
“The myth that Nadia won BB because she was a transexual is just that, a myth. where was the 'sympathy vote' for her at the start?, she was very long odds to win, and even on this forum at the start she was way way down in the polls. Even though (or possible because) everyone knew about her gender change. It was because people grew to like her as a person that she gained popularity and won.”

There was the whole "she's been through so much" sympathy vote. So what if it didn't appear instantly, because the producers hadn't yet had time to highlight that story line?

You also have to distinguish between necessary and sufficient reasons. Nadia didn't win only because she was a transsexual. it wasn't sufficient. But would she have won if she hadn't been a transsexual? It's not at all clear that she would.

For example, a female HM with large, fake breasts who showed them off so much would normally be disliked for it. And think of how often we've seen HMs criticised for being me-me-me. Nadia was one of the most me-me-me HMs in the show's history.

I doubt that there is any credible explanation of why she won that does not have her transsexuality as a factor.

Doc Shmok

27-01-2005

Originally Posted by Veri:
“For example, a female HM with large, fake breasts who showed them off so much would normally be disliked for it.”

Mrs Nielsen ?

Veri

27-01-2005

Originally Posted by Doc Shmok:
“Mrs Nielsen ?”

Didn't show them off as much, for a start.

presshardy

27-01-2005

Originally Posted by gerry d:
“Dany do you even bother to read my posts?

The public is going to have more sympathy for someone who is disabled rather than the color of somebodys skin.

The reason why i asked the question is because i was giving my opinion.Something which i thought you were allowed to do here”

mate.. im telling you i wouldnt bother arguing with her...she doesnt read all the posts or misunderstands them. im getting frustrated just reading it. dont bother yourself

Doc Shmok

28-01-2005

Originally Posted by Veri:
“Didn't show them off as much, for a start.”

Dunno what you were watching, but the Danish pastry was all over the place.

They might not have edited in in the main show that much, but just as a few examples the night when she had a discussion with John and Kenzie and later on with Jeremy and Kenzie in the Jacuzi.

Veri

28-01-2005

Originally Posted by Doc Shmok:
“Dunno what you were watching, but the Danish pastry was all over the place.

They might not have edited in in the main show that much, but just as a few examples the night when she had a discussion with John and Kenzie and later on with Jeremy and Kenzie in the Jacuzi.”

That's right: a few examples. And it wasn't the same behaviour as Nadia in any case.

gerry d

28-01-2005

Originally Posted by presshardy:
“mate.. im telling you i wouldnt bother arguing with her...she doesnt read all the posts or misunderstands them. im getting frustrated just reading it. dont bother yourself”

Thanxs presshardy

And i stand by what i said more people will vote for some one out of sympathy than the color of their skin.

1.Michelle McManus from Pop Idol 2.Dr Fox & Pete Waterman made comment about her weight & they didn't think she was a pop idol.True she wasn't disabled but i'm pretty sure she got some sympathy votes.

2.The Group in X factor " 2 to go" the guy was blind.I know some people that voted for the group out of the sympathy vote.

Doc Shmok

28-01-2005

Originally Posted by Veri:
“That's right: a few examples. And it wasn't the same behaviour as Nadia in any case.”

Give the girl a break they were just new...

Dany

28-01-2005

Originally Posted by gerry d:
“Thanxs presshardy

And i stand by what i said more people will vote for some one out of sympathy than the color of their skin.

1.Michelle McManus from Pop Idol 2.Dr Fox & Pete Waterman made comment about her weight & they didn't think she was a pop idol.True she wasn't disabled but i'm pretty sure she got some sympathy votes.

2.The Group in X factor " 2 to go" the guy was blind.I know some people that voted for the group out of the sympathy vote.”

*admin edit* - personal dispute removed.

Even though I disagree with you I respect your right to stand by what you. Although I did hope that you would change you mid.

I also stand by what I say; there are some members of the public who believe that the only reason there has never been a black BB winner is because of racism. You will find past posts from forum members who have admitted to have sympathy towards housemates because of the colour of somebody’s skin.

I know some people that voted for Victor because he was black and people that vote for Ahmed because he was a Muslim.

As you say Michelle McManus is not disabled so what has that got to do with anything. Further more she was the best singer..

If people are so shallow that they can not to see past someone’s skin colour, disability, religion, sexuality or anything else then that is the problem.

presshardy

28-01-2005

Originally Posted by Dany:
“I wouldn’t take much notice of presshardy .I put he or she on my ignore list because of some of the insulting thins tings he/ she said about dyslexia”

or what you misinterperated as insulting
quite a common occurance for you dany

Originally Posted by Dany:
“and it was not just me who thought that his or her posts where insulting.”

yes it was
i had plenty of people telling me not to bother with you however

Originally Posted by Dany:
“despite me putting presshardy on y ignore list he / she is still following me around this form and telling people not to reply to my posts”

dont flatter yourself
i post on lots of different threads
i just saw you were up to your old tricks and decided to pass on my knowledge
christ what an ego!!!

Originally Posted by Dany:
“and I thought it was only famous people who had stalkers.”

no retards too apparently

Dany

29-01-2005

Any disabled housemates ever?

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Any disabled housemates ever?

Any more ideas why We have had all kind of people from diverse minorities winning but not one disabled person has yet taken part, let alone win.

10bellies

29-01-2005

Originally Posted by Dany:
“Any more ideas why We have had all kind of people from diverse minorities winning but not one disabled person has yet taken part, let alone win.”

Because only 151 applied, and obviously they were all too crap to go in.

Now get over it, you're making yourself look foolish.

presshardy

29-01-2005

Originally Posted by 10bellies:
“Because only 151 applied, and obviously they were all too crap to go in.

Now get over it, you're making yourself look foolish.”

well said

here comes the reply

"but if nly 151 black peepul applied then you you be a racist are"

or something along those lines

Dany

29-01-2005

Originally Posted by 10bellies:
“Because only 151 applied, and obviously they were all too crap to go in.

Now get over it, you're making yourself look foolish.”

I see that you have nothing constructive to add...goodbye.

10bellies

29-01-2005

Originally Posted by Dany:
“goodbye.”

You going somewhere?

ShowbizGosQueen

29-01-2005

Originally Posted by Vicky7:
“Yes it shows that you don't know anyone with a disability. Well, here's one, me! I'm in my 30's, born with a illness which affects the spine so I've never been able to walk. I've been confined to using a wheelchair since my Mum couldn't carry me any more from the age of about 5 when really you don't carry your kids about too much after that age anyway do you, it's not done. I have lived independently in my own place since I was 18 with very little help and I manage just fine. I talk coherently, have the best sense of humour in the family, the loudest voice, the biggest baddest temper, the most wayout personality, I'm generally mad but in a nice way, sort of.

Now, about the BB house, the only reason I am hesitant about auditioning is because of the still quite frankly out of date and tune attitude to disability. I would not expect or want people keeping me in on a public vote because I have a disability, nor would I want fellow housemates being voted out either just because they were up against 'poor' little me in the wheelchair or because they didn't fawn all over me and panda to my every whim. I would just like to be treated the same as everyone else by hm's and public alike. I think I could manage in there if BB gave it all a bit of thought first when if they accepted me to go in. They could ask me what I need, (I don't have high standards) and I'm sure the majority of things once thought through and carried out properly would hopefully make it so I could join in as much as anyone else and blend in with the walls successfully so no one would notice me and I'd win, nice one! Well, either that or they'd forget about me, period, and I'd just be left in there. No, seriously, I'm loud, that wouldn't happen. I'm not anything like Jade or Narinder though thank god, more of an Anoushka, I wish!

Saying all that I do know others with all different ranges of disability some who may not cope in those circumstances. My main point is, disability doesn't necessarily mean 'needs carers'. ”

Excellent post Vicky

Golden Virginia

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by 10bellies:
“Because only 151 applied, and obviously they were all too crap to go in.

Now get over it, you're making yourself look foolish.”

Well said.

Dany

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by Golden Virginia:
“Well said. ”

I see you too have nothing constructive to add to add… Why is a discussion on disability prejudice on BB
so wrong? Or do you just feel that disability prejudice should not be challenged? This thread is for people who want to get to the bottom of the disability prejudice issue on BB. If it bores you, simply click somewhere else and take 10bellies and presshardy with you.

Doc Shmok

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by 10bellies:
“Because only 151 applied, and obviously they were all too crap to go in.”

BB Producer alert!!

Originally Posted by 10bellies:
“Now get over it, you're making yourself look foolish”

Don't think so. It's a valid question. Your BB producer pals have not choosen some people. They must have reasons and they would be interesting to know.

But granted theoretically a letter to Endemol/C4 asking, might be more helpful to solve why they didn't show up yet. But I doubt an honest answer would come back. Hence one has to generally talk about it.

smalltree

30-01-2005

honestly...i would'nt like to go too far down that road of suspicion with regards to BB/disability-prejudice..
i reckon BB+Co have not seriously considered making adaptations to the BB-environment to cater for a/any particular condition of disability, because of lack of foresight and, lack of qualifying applicants..
however, from what i can see of the existing environment, i don't think it would be much of a problem for BB+Co to adjust...THIS 'they' may need reminding of..

Dany

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by smalltree:
“honestly...i would'nt like to go too far down that road of suspicion with regards to BB/disability-prejudice..
i reckon BB+Co have not seriously considered making adaptations to the BB-environment to cater for a/any particular condition of disability, because of lack of foresight and, lack of qualifying applicants..
however, from what i can see of the existing environment, i don't think it would be much of a problem for BB+Co to adjust...THIS 'they' may need reminding of..”

That's what disability prejudice does....Do you not see that point? The fact is disability prejudice has always been disregard with claims of lack of foresight ....it's about time people admitted that disability prejudice does exist instead of trying to excuse it away. ..... We all know that they have not seriously considered making adaptations to the BB-environment. The question that needs to be answer is….. Why have they not seriously considered making adaptations to the BB-environment?

Doc Shmok

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by smalltree:
“honestly...i would'nt like to go too far down that road of suspicion with regards to BB/disability-prejudice..”

I ment that it isn't the same as the other thread. The voting public hasn't even had a chance to vote. Discussing really the GBP attitude in BB votes is kinda fruitless without any data. If at all C4/Endemol has to be discussed. I am not claiming they have any particular attitude. I guess if you ask them why they have/have not choosen any HM, you get bla back.

Golden Virginia

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by Dany:
“I see you too have nothing constructive to add to add… Why is a discussion on disability prejudice on BB
so wrong? Or do you just feel that disability prejudice should not be challenged? This thread is for people who want to get to the bottom of the disability prejudice issue on BB. If it bores you, simply click somewhere else and take 10bellies and presshardy with you.”

You might see what I think (

) but I can see my prosthetic limbs each night when I take them off to go to bed.

I don't see it as any reason why I should jump the que of BB, if I actually wanted to enter in the first place, I'm a person not a double amputee!.

Surely my personality should come first. If I was chosen for my 'story' I'd be offended.

So what part of disability prejudice do I not understand?
Last edited by Golden Virginia : 30-01-2005 at 03:09

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by Golden Virginia:
“
Surely my personality should come first. If I was chosen for my 'story' I'd be offended.
”

thats a very good point
it would actually cause offence for someone to be picked for any reason other than their personality.

saying that for someone to not be picked for "what they are" rather than who they are would also cause offence.

so why not pick people based on nothing but personality? it seems logical and as this thread continues it becomes clear that there is no evidence to suggest the big brother producers refuse entrants for any other reason.

i mean... 151 disabled applicants???

i bet more than 151 people with moustaches applied and none got in.

Golden Virginia

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by presshardy:
“
i mean... 151 disabled applicants???
i bet more than 151 people with moustaches applied and none got in.”

I hope my dad didn't apply then.

Grrr I hate his moustache but he won't get rid. We've got an agreement, I'll ditch my legs when he ditches the tash.

Maybe it'll happen when we both enter the BB house.

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