Any disabled housemates ever? (merged)

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smalltree

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by Golden Virginia:
“You might see what I think ( ) but I can see my prosthetic limbs each night when I take them off to go to bed.

I don't see it as any reason why I should jump the que of BB, if I actually wanted to enter in the first place, I'm a person not a double amputee!.

Surely my personality should come first. If I was chosen for my 'story' I'd be offended.

So what part of disability prejudice do I not understand?”

(i know your 'post' was directed to somewhere-else) but...
here!!..hear!!..here!!...at last...someone who recognises PERSONALITY as being the "KEY" to possible entry..

CPA

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by baileybots:
“i think new laws have come in this year, a resteraunt near me has been threatened with fines if they dont put in a stair lift for the upper floor even though they have a ramp and disabled toilet and the lowerfloor has a lot of room, i think its something to do with being able to go anywhere in the resteraunt”

You right. New laws have come into force from last year,30th September. I haven't noticed any difference so far though. If I went around my local town perhaps only 10% so far have adhered to it so far. Hopefully many more fines will alter that in the near future.
I can see Endermol looking for excuses for not having a disabled person take part. They will just keep saying " non fit the criteria". Perhaps a token gesture with someone who has a speech impediment is the furthest I can see them going to.
I honestly am in 2 minds about some one with a disability going in to the BB house.
They are all just the same as "normal people" some have good personalities some bad. If Endermol did ever choose anyone I'm sure it would be the most obnoxious human being to be put on this planet. The type of person who thinks that the world owes them a favour because of their disability.

On the other hand if I thought Endermol would play fair then, yes, there is no other reason why they shouldn't be included. Played fairly it would give an insight to many who don't know anything about disabilities, and that they can be just as capable and entertaining.

CPA

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by Vicky7:
“Yes it shows that you don't know anyone with a disability. Well, here's one, me! I'm in my 30's, born with a illness which affects the spine so I've never been able to walk. I've been confined to using a wheelchair since my Mum couldn't carry me any more from the age of about 5 when really you don't carry your kids about too much after that age anyway do you, it's not done. I have lived independently in my own place since I was 18 with very little help and I manage just fine. I talk coherently, have the best sense of humour in the family, the loudest voice, the biggest baddest temper, the most wayout personality, I'm generally mad but in a nice way, sort of.

Now, about the BB house, the only reason I am hesitant about auditioning is because of the still quite frankly out of date and tune attitude to disability. I would not expect or want people keeping me in on a public vote because I have a disability, nor would I want fellow housemates being voted out either just because they were up against 'poor' little me in the wheelchair or because they didn't fawn all over me and panda to my every whim. I would just like to be treated the same as everyone else by hm's and public alike. I think I could manage in there if BB gave it all a bit of thought first when if they accepted me to go in. They could ask me what I need, (I don't have high standards) and I'm sure the majority of things once thought through and carried out properly would hopefully make it so I could join in as much as anyone else and blend in with the walls successfully so no one would notice me and I'd win, nice one! Well, either that or they'd forget about me, period, and I'd just be left in there. No, seriously, I'm loud, that wouldn't happen. I'm not anything like Jade or Narinder though thank god, more of an Anoushka, I wish!

Saying all that I do know others with all different ranges of disability some who may not cope in those circumstances. My main point is, disability doesn't necessarily mean 'needs carers'. ”

I'm sure you would do fine in the house.
However you don't fit Endermols criteria, your too pleasant

10bellies

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by Dany:
“I see you too have nothing constructive to add to add… Why is a discussion on disability prejudice on BB
so wrong?”

So, just because no disabled person has been on BB (despite the minimal amount of disabled applicants), you automatically scream DISCRIMINATION!!!11!!ONEELEVEN!!

Originally Posted by Dany:
“Or do you just feel that disability prejudice should not be challenged?”

Real life prejudice should always be challenged...this is only a gameshow where you have to go through several application processes to get on.
If you're not good enough to qualify, tough, join the tens of thousands of other people who also didn't get on.

Originally Posted by Dany:
“This thread is for people who want to get to the bottom of the disability prejudice issue on BB.”

Prove to me that there is.

Originally Posted by Dany:
“If it bores you, simply click somewhere else and take 10bellies and presshardy with you.”

Are you telling me I can't post on this thread now?

CPA

30-01-2005

Discrimination of disabled people is a fact 10bellies.
Disabled people have a lot to put up with, they just don't go shouting about it all the time. They deal with it. By education and more integration over time it won't be an issue.
The factor is I'm afraid money... Once all buildings are disabled friendly and more can find housing for independent living I think you may be surprised how many disabled people there are actually around. If the law went as far as to say even housing like BB must be disabled accessible then BB will run out of excuses.
Sadly that day is far off. Even buses and trains have been told they must be accessible to all in the end. The time scale is 30 years!! So it won’t be an overnight change

10bellies

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by CPA:
“<stuff>”

I am disabled, and I don't see why BB should be forced to take a disabled person purely for quota reasons.
If endemol are to be forced to make the next BB house 'disabled friendly', then where does it stop before people quit with hysterical discrimination claims?

Should Countdown be forced to make the show more accessible to someone with dyslexia?

Should WWTBAM have to take someone on who has learning difficulties?

Should Scrapheap Challenge be forced to take a quadriplegic on the show, purely for the quota...after all, they can weld with their mouth if the equipment is adapted for them....

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by 10bellies:
“I am disabled, and I don't see why BB should be forced to take a disabled person purely for quota reasons.
If endemol are to be forced to make the next BB house 'disabled friendly', then where does it stop before people quit with hysterical discrimination claims?

Should Countdown be forced to make the show more accessible to someone with dyslexia?

Should WWTBAM have to take someone on who has learning difficulties?

Should Scrapheap Challenge be forced to take a quadriplegic on the show, purely for the quota...after all, they can weld with their mouth if the equipment is adapted for them....”

good points.

Vicky7

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by CPA:
“I'm sure you would do fine in the house.
However you don't fit Endermols criteria, your too pleasant ”

Hmm, thank you, I think. No really thanks, but I'm not always pleasant.

You're probably right about me not fitting the criteria. I have had the same thing said to me by family who really don't want me to try at the auditions. They're desperately trying to talk me out of it at the moment. They succeed every year and they probably will this year so I can't be that desperate. They can't see why I want to take part in a show where it's likely that I'd be one of about two or three decent people (as they see it) in a house full of attention seeking looneys, (their words not mine), although maybe they're right. They also don't want me to get the boring label because they don't think I am, or be ridiculed in any way. That aspect doesn't bother me really I see all that as part of the experience even if I myself thinks it gets a bit much sometimes, but it is bothering them a lot. Maybe I'll just stay at this side of the fence.

I do agree with all your points on the disability issues too. You obviously know what you're talking about.

CPA

30-01-2005

I'm not, but my daughter is paraplegic. So I live with it everyday as well.
no one is saying "just to fill quota's".
If you read my above posts you will know why I am in 2 minds about a disabled contestant.
I think that a disabled person has every right to be considered.
Endermol won't entertain that idea though, they will make excuses. My line for there not being one is, the one they would choose would be a bitter and nasty person.
Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that?
I just feel it would give a wrong impression and put any advances disabled people have made in the last 20 years all for the sake of "entertainment".

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by CPA:
“I think that a disabled person has every right to be considered.
Endermol won't entertain that idea though, they will make excuses.”

what is your source that endemol will not entertain that idea?
or are you simply guessing?

CPA

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by Vicky7:
“Hmm, thank you, I think. No really thanks, but I'm not always pleasant.

You're probably right about me not fitting the criteria. I have had the same thing said to me by family who really don't want me to try at the auditions. They're desperately trying to talk me out of it at the moment. They succeed every year and they probably will this year so I can't be that desperate. They can't see why I want to take part in a show where it's likely that I'd be one of about two or three decent people (as they see it) in a house full of attention seeking looneys, (their words not mine), although maybe they're right. They also don't want me to get the boring label because they don't think I am, or be ridiculed in any way. That aspect doesn't bother me really I see all that as part of the experience even if I myself thinks it gets a bit much sometimes, but it is bothering them a lot. Maybe I'll just stay at this side of the fence. ”

My daughter who is paraplegic thinks I am sad for liking BB and I keep teasing her that I am going to apply.
She says if I do that she will go to America because they can divorce their parents there

I KNOW that disabled people are "normal": what ever "normal" is. If I thought that Endermol would respect the disabled HM then yes I for one would love to see you in the house.
however they don't exactly treat any other HM with respect and IMO, I cringe to think what they would put the disabled HM through all for the sake of ratings and "entertainment"?

CPA

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by presshardy:
“what is your source that endemol will not entertain that idea?
or are you simply guessing?”

My "source" is being a BB fan and after 5 BB's know that they will sink to any level for entertainment value.
If they can bring in Jackie Stalone without any qualms.
Do you honestly think that they would entertain a HM where they may just have to have a little discretion with?
It would limit what they could do to them for a start.

manleesam1

30-01-2005

Just quick line in defence of Channel 4. I am disabled having had polio as a child and wear a full leg caliper. After some heated debates on hear on the case for and against disabled housemates about two year ago,I contacted channel 4 (advice from a certian Alrightmate Cheers Mate) They then having read my brief discription of myself my life and my personality Invited me to audition and fill out the then 20 page aplication form. I thought long and hard about this but then decided not too. The reson they gave me that i should apply was clear I am disabled but not that disabled that I would be liability in the house . There are many pro and cons and each year i wonder should I give it a go. Time is probley against me now am 46 and BB tends to be aimed at the younger housemate. Hope this helps in your debate.

Mandy

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by CPA:
“My "source" is being a BB fan and after 5 BB's know that they will sink to any level for entertainment value.
If they can bring in Jackie Stalone without any qualms.
Do you honestly think that they would entertain a HM where they may just have to have a little discretion with?
It would limit what they could do to them for a start.”

guessing then

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by manleesam1:
“Just quick line in defence of Channel 4. I am disabled having had polio as a child and wear a full leg caliper. After some heated debates on hear on the case for and against disabled housemates about two year ago,I contacted channel 4 (advice from a certian Alrightmate Cheers Mate) They then having read my brief discription of myself my life and my personality Invited me to audition and fill out the then 20 page aplication form. I thought long and hard about this but then decided not too. The reson they gave me that i should apply was clear I am disabled but not that disabled that I would be liability in the house . There are many pro and cons and each year i wonder should I give it a go. Time is probley against me now am 46 and BB tends to be aimed at the younger housemate. Hope this helps in your debate.

Mandy”

it does. thanks.
so your basically saying endemol DID entertain the idea of a disabled person having the right to be considered to enter. this conflicts with the guesswork on post 109

CPA

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by presshardy:
“guessing then”

no not really. I can give you many many actual events where discrimination has come into play with our everyday lives. ie my daughter not being able to go to the local school as it wasn't disabled friendly. So I had to set a precident and fight the discrimination to have a school adapted. The fact that when she has a does band pratice at school I must attend as they don't have a carer to cover that time. No other parent of her age must do that.
So yes I do fight discrimination every day.
So I am under no illusion that Endermol would be any different!

CPA

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by presshardy:
“it does. thanks.
so your basically saying endemol DID entertain the idea of a disabled person having the right to be considered to enter. this conflicts with the guesswork on post 109”

i wonder why you defend Endermol so much and don't care to read my post properly?
If you had then you would see that I am in 2 minds about disabled contestants.
It's not that I don't think they have any right not too be included.
Do you honestly think Endermol would not try to manipulate things, so they could then turn around and say " I told you so, that is the reason for no disabled HM's in the past".
I for one would love to be wrong in my opinion on this occasion, but I don't want to witness it to be proved right either !!

manleesam1

30-01-2005

I have NO idea on Endemols view on this I was contacted from Channel 4 Big Brother researchers not Endomol.

Mandy

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by CPA:
“no not really.”

with little or no actual evidence to base it on im afraid it is

Originally Posted by CPA:
“I can give you many many actual events where discrimination has come into play with our everyday lives.”

unless they are facts about endemol or perhaps even channel 4 programming in general i suggest they have little or no relevance to this thread

Originally Posted by CPA:
“So yes I do fight discrimination every day.”

i never said you didn't

Originally Posted by CPA:
“So I am under no illusion that Endermol would be any different!”

despite manleesam1s post?

i have to say that you started off this point saying that you were a BB fan of 5 years and you know they will "sink to any level for entertainment value" what relevance this has is beyond me... however now you are saying they are no different to your daughters school.
your argument is inconsistant

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by CPA:
“i wonder why you defend Endermol so much and don't care to read my post properly?
If you had then you would see that I am in 2 minds about disabled contestants.”

what makes you think i didnt read your posts properly?
i know you are in two minds
it is irrelevant to the point i made
without proper knowledge on how endemol feel about disabled entrants you are limited to guessing.
im not "quick to defend" endemol
i dont know the facts
i would just like to have an actual reason to attack them rather than creating one for arguments sake

CPA

30-01-2005

I'm under the view now that you must be an employee of Endermol presshardy.
no matter what points I am making......... however valid you will disagree with.
I for one will still remain in 2 minds and no....... unless I was sure that Endermol wouldn't explote a disabled person for entertainment value I don't want to see it happen yet.
I'm not discriminating, so my daughters school issue isnt a conflict.
Perhaps you should re read my posts and understand the point I am making, as you don't seem to have quite grasped it yet!

CPA

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by presshardy:
“what makes you think i didnt read your posts properly?
i know you are in two minds
it is irrelevant to the point i made
without proper knowledge on how endemol feel about disabled entrants you are limited to guessing.
im not "quick to defend" endemol
i dont know the facts
i would just like to have an actual reason to attack them rather than creating one for arguments sake”

Who is arguing?
I'm just expressing an opinion of how
I feel on the issue.
That is the purpose of a forum

i'm quite calm. are you?

My reason has been made quite clear. I don't want to have to watch a shambolic affair where they MAY exploite a disabled hm for the sake of entertainment. Jackie Stalone again comes to mind. They sank to that level so how low will they go?
I dont want to be right. I just dont want to be proved right by actualy seeing it

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by CPA:
“Who is arguing?
I'm just expressing an opinion of how
I feel on the issue.
That is the purpose of a forum
i'm quite calm. are you? ”

i am indeed
why would you think otherwise?
are you under the misapprehension that one must be other than calm in order for one to have an argument

presshardy

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by CPA:
“I'm under the view now that you must be an employee of Endermol presshardy.
no matter what points I am making......... however valid you will disagree with.”

i fully understand your points

my only point is that comments such as

Originally Posted by CPA:
“I think that a disabled person has every right to be considered.
Endermol won't entertain that idea though, they will make excuses.”

need to be backed up by facts or ...something other than the fact that your daughters school didn't have the correct facilities and you think endemol might be the same.

Dany

30-01-2005

Originally Posted by smalltree:
“(i know your 'post' was directed to somewhere-else) but...
here!!..hear!!..here!!...at last...someone who recognises PERSONALITY as being the "KEY" to possible entry.. ”

Yes, and these personality factors that you feel should be so important are really going to make a difference to a BB producer who has a disability prejudice attitude aren't they?
I mean it's not as though they would look for these kinds of personality traits in a disabled people on first impressions is it? And they would surely have an open, clear unbiased mind before they cast judgement on them wouldn't they?

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