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Old 19-08-2013, 17:27
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You can take whatever you want. Your post was a nonsense.
Go on, enlighten me as to why.
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Old 19-08-2013, 17:38
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Actually it was co-produced by the BBC (UK), UKTV Australia (owned by BBCW - UK), UKTV NZ (BBCW - UK) and Sundance Channel (US)....

If anything it's a British-American co-production shot in New Zealand...
I didn't realise that

Anyway I've just thought another New Zealand show that is shown over here

The Almighty Johnsons
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Old 19-08-2013, 17:54
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Actually it was co-produced by the BBC (UK), UKTV Australia (owned by BBCW - UK), UKTV NZ (BBCW - UK) and Sundance Channel (US)....

If anything it's a British-American co-production shot in New Zealand...
Well you could say NZ had more of an input as Jane Campion, one of the two writers, is from NZ The other is Australian, so it's quite an International production
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Old 19-08-2013, 18:28
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The financing was international - someone was making a point about the cost.
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Old 19-08-2013, 18:31
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I didn't realise that

Anyway I've just thought another New Zealand show that is shown over here

The Almighty Johnsons
Even the name sounds like an Alan Partridge parody.
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Old 19-08-2013, 18:46
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Even the name sounds like an Alan Partridge parody.
It's basically about a family of New Zealanders who are the reincarnations of Viking gods
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Old 19-08-2013, 18:58
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The financing was international - someone was making a point about the cost.
Were you responding to me or MikeySaint? My post was sort of in response to someone who said we should have more NZ/Aus programmes.
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Old 19-08-2013, 22:08
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It's more about the BBC trying to find something to appease viewers, because they can't afford to make enough programmes, given the amount of our cash they either waste or pay to people "in their club."

Who'd have thought a few decades ago that the great BBC "the premier broadcaster in the world," would have to rely on foreign imports and endless repeats to fill their schedules because they're unable to budget despite knowing in advance the amount of cash available to them.
If only companies in the private sector were given this opportunity to predict their income for any year on January 1st.
"A few decades ago" the BBC were showing "Heimat" and "Das Boot" ...to great acclaim, like this latest series will get judging by its reception in countries that have already shown it (eg, Poland and Sweden). I'm just glad the attitude in British TV that was gospel 5 years ago, that no-one will read subtitles, has been blasted out of the water.
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Old 19-08-2013, 22:26
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Well you could say NZ had more of an input as Jane Campion, one of the two writers, is from NZ The other is Australian, so it's quite an International production
Yes, but films and TV shows take the nationality of the financier(s). Australia's ABC was originally going to be a co-producer, but dropped out when Elizabeth Moss was cast, which is presumably why BBCW stumped up the cash. (She's American and they wanted an Aussie.)
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Old 19-08-2013, 23:25
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"A few decades ago" the BBC were showing "Heimat" and "Das Boot" ...to great acclaim, like this latest series will get judging by its reception in countries that have already shown it (eg, Poland and Sweden). I'm just glad the attitude in British TV that was gospel 5 years ago, that no-one will read subtitles, has been blasted out of the water.
Come on, if it had been "blasted out of the water" this'd be on BBC1.

It'll no doubt have viewing figures with which the BBC will say, as usual, "they are well satisfied." It may, or may not be watchable.

Personally, as I've mentioned before, I'm a bit fed up with having to read subtitles on dramas and have not watched the last few on BBC4. Though I admit to enjoying the first few Wallanders, but the novelty wore off as I considered the quality of subsequent shows became very average. I don't subscribe to the view, "if it's foreign with subtitles it must be good."
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Old 20-08-2013, 13:19
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Come on, if it had been "blasted out of the water" this'd be on BBC1.

It'll no doubt have viewing figures with which the BBC will say, as usual, "they are well satisfied." It may, or may not be watchable.

Personally, as I've mentioned before, I'm a bit fed up with having to read subtitles on dramas and have not watched the last few on BBC4. Though I admit to enjoying the first few Wallanders, but the novelty wore off as I considered the quality of subsequent shows became very average. I don't subscribe to the view, "if it's foreign with subtitles it must be good."
If you think the BBC are going to sitck a subtitled German drama about the war on BBC1, you might need your head checked.

1) The BBC won't have the balls to stick anything subtitled on BBC1
2) I'm not sure why, but I get the feeling a German WWII drama could be a bit controversial in the UK...

Why are you castigating the BBC for providing foreign drama in the majority of people that watch foreign drama's preferred format?

The BBC didn't buy it because it was foreign, they brought it because it was good.

It sounds like you're just using this to attack the BBC, when you haven't thought out a logical reason why they deserve to be attacked over it...
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Old 20-08-2013, 16:12
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If you think the BBC are going to sitck a subtitled German drama about the war on BBC1, you might need your head checked.

For you're information, the BBC will put anything on BBC1 if they thought it would beat a programme on ITV1 in the "ratings contest."
1) The BBC won't have the balls to stick anything subtitled on BBC1
2) I'm not sure why, but I get the feeling a German WWII drama could be a bit controversial in the UK...

Why are you castigating the BBC for providing foreign drama in the majority of people that watch foreign drama's preferred format?

The BBC didn't buy it because it was foreign, they brought it because it was good.

It sounds like you're just using this to attack the BBC, when you haven't thought out a logical reason why they deserve to be attacked over it...
It's best not to get your knickers in a twist and start getting "personal" about someone else's opinions about something as trivial as telly programmes. It does you no credit, but I do find your over-the-top reactions amusing. So conversely, maybe it's you who needs "your head checked."
I suggest you should try to see discussions on this board as what they are, just a bit of unimportant trivia, whoever posts it.

The BBC get a lot of things right, but also a lot of things wrong in my opinion, so I'll continue to say what I think regardless of the fact that it seems to upset you for some obscure reason, the only thing "I can't get my head around."
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Old 20-08-2013, 16:16
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It's best not to get your knickers in a twist and start getting "personal" about someone else's opinions about something as trivial as telly programmes. It does you no credit, but I do find your over-the-top reactions amusing.
I suggest you should try to see discussions on this board as what they are, just a bit of unimportant trivia, whoever posts it
Best not get personal he (or she) says before getting personal, and completely ignoring the point, which was

1) It's probably too controversial (or graphic) for BBC1
2) It's subtitled, and I don't think the BBC have that level of bravery at the moment
3) Subtitling appears to the generally preferred method of watching foreign drama, so it makes more sense to sub than to dub given the increased cost of dubbing the series.
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Old 20-08-2013, 16:17
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Oh dear, don't like opinions that don't concur with your own?
I've grown rather tired of the constant stream of continental subtitled drama series, which are usually longer than many produced in this country. They certainly can fill the schedules for a few weeks.

If you enjoy them, you welcome more of them and you think the BBC are doing a wonderful job, that's fine by me, so why are you so concerned that I don't and interpret it as a "rant?"

Seems rather strange.

I'm actually saddened the way the standard of programming is steadily deteriorating, partly due to mismanagement of our cash.
seems this country is going more like the USA everday, Oh heck it has subtitles, it's not in English I can't understand it get it off! As for the length of a series, it seems that we do not have the brain power to follow a long series here anymore, it has to be all over in about 3 or 4 weeks with very little 'depth' to it !
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Old 20-08-2013, 16:19
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Best not get personal he (or she) says before getting personal, and completely ignoring the point, which was

1) It's probably too controversial (or graphic) for BBC1
2) It's subtitled, and I don't think the BBC have that level of bravery at the moment
3) Subtitling appears to the generally preferred method of watching foreign drama, so it makes more sense to sub than to dub given the increased cost of dubbing the series.
You might like to read your own post where it was you who was getting personal in the first place.

But then, you're just one of a few who will disregard such facts, when they get it back at them and then act all "who me?" innocent.

But DS "was ever thus."
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Old 20-08-2013, 16:21
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You might like to read your own post where it was you who was getting personal in the first place.

But then, you're just one of a few who will disregard such facts, when they get it back at them and act all innocent.

But DS "was ever thus."
I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of a post, which bemoaned a personal comment, and then proceeded to make personal comments. (And then after having the hypocrisy pointed out, proceeded to make further personal comments)

And I wasn't acting innocent, at the time I thought the comment was a bit over the line, but kept it in. Although I'm not going to apologise for it, because apparently it's okay when you make personal comments, but when I do it I'm a terrible person...
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Old 20-08-2013, 16:23
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seems this country is going more like the USA everday, Oh heck it has subtitles, it's not in English I can't understand it get it off! As for the length of a series, it seems that we do not have the brain power to follow a long series here anymore, it has to be all over in about 3 or 4 weeks with very little 'depth' to it !
I think it more a case of some not wanting to have to constantly stare at the subtitles for an hour to appreciate what the hell it's all about. Some of the recent offerings on BBC4 haven't in my opinion been that good.
With a drama presented in English, you don't necessarily have to be constantly staring at the screen to keep abreast of the plot. Some of us can do a bit of "multi-tasking" when we're watching the TV. Plenty of watchable alternatives on the other minor channels you can record and save for viewing at the week-end.
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Old 20-08-2013, 16:32
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I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of a post, which bemoaned a personal comment, and then proceeded to make personal comments. (And then after having the hypocrisy pointed out, proceeded to make further personal comments)

And I wasn't acting innocent, at the time I thought the comment was a bit over the line, but kept it in. Although I'm not going to apologise for it, because apparently it's okay when you make personal comments, but when I do it I'm a terrible person...
Are you deliberately missing the point? I guess so, because in the first place I made no personal comments about you, until after you'd made them to me.

Adverse comments about a programme, cannot be considered personal.

The usual response when people like you are caught out in that situation, which includes an "I simply," "I only," "I just," or my favourite, "I merely," are pretty commonplace, but just add to my amusement.
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Old 20-08-2013, 16:43
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Are you deliberately missing the point? I guess so, because in the first place I made no personal comments about you, until after you'd made them to me.

Adverse comments about a programme, cannot be considered personal.

The usual response when people like you are caught out in that situation, which includes an "I simply," "I only," "I just," or my favourite, "I merely," are pretty commonplace, but just add to my amusement.
The fact you bemoan personal comments then make them in the same post is hypocritical. Calling them inappropriate and then making them is hypocritical, regardless of timing.
(Yes, I can patronisingly add emphasis too)

I can't be arsed to continue this, because evidently even though I've already acknowledged the remark crossed the line, you're refusing to let it die. And ignoring the valid points I feel were contained within the post.
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Old 20-08-2013, 17:01
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The fact you bemoan personal comments then make them in the same post is hypocritical. Calling them inappropriate and then making them is hypocritical, regardless of timing.
(Yes, I can patronisingly add emphasis too)

I can't be arsed to continue this, because evidently even though I've already acknowledged the remark crossed the line, you're refusing to let it die. And ignoring the valid points I feel were contained within the post.
Stop making my laugh, although acknowledging your unfriendly and personal comment with "because evidently even though I've already acknowledged the remark crossed the line," you conveniently missed out the "but kept it in." from the original post, which entirely changes the context and showed that you knew you were being personal but didn't care. Then you had the brass to have a go at me!

Bless!

Yeah, now I can't be assed either.
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Old 20-08-2013, 17:06
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Oh dear, someone who can't read and watch at the same time. Maybe a bit less bunking off at school might have helped in following subtitled programmes. Sweeping statement aside, there's some interesting stuff out there (and dross, admittedly), if you can be bothered to actually read and follow what's in front of your eyes.

Anyway, I look forward to watching this programme. Seems interesting.
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Old 20-08-2013, 17:06
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I thought this thread was about the German 'Band of Brothers'
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Old 20-08-2013, 17:33
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I thought this thread was about the German 'Band of Brothers'

I guess it will be once it starts, I've already said it might be watchable, time will tell.
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Old 20-08-2013, 17:40
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Oh dear, someone who can't read and watch at the same time. Maybe a bit less bunking off at school might have helped in following subtitled programmes. Sweeping statement aside, there's some interesting stuff out there (and dross, admittedly), if you can be bothered to actually read and follow what's in front of your eyes.

Anyway, I look forward to watching this programme. Seems interesting.
Err.

Tell me how school attendance would make any difference to you being able to follow the dialogue in Swedish, if you only did French at school?
Unless you're familiar with the language, you need to be constantly trying to read the subtitles and watching the action at the same time, usually for an hour without a break if you're watching it live on BBC..
A drama has to be pretty good for me to want to do that and sadly, as I've already said, some of the more recent BBC4 offerings in my opinion, haven't been.

That fact seems to have been a problem for some on here.

It's "wait and see" with this one.
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Old 20-08-2013, 17:47
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I don't subscribe to the view, "if it's foreign with subtitles it must be good."
A straw man argument that seems to be deployed as routine in such discussions.

I also don't subscribe to that view - that would just be silly wouldn't it? However the BBC has only imported the best Euro shows (usually on BBC4) which of course happen to be subbed - which I'm personally glad about as wouldn't want dubbing. There will also be tons of Euro shows which are rubbish that we don't see (thankfully).

Anyway back to the actual subject of the thread! Somehow I've missed this thread before now but this show sounds good and will certainly be watching it.
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