Originally Posted by lulu g:
“It'll be all that one-legged dancing.”
“It'll be all that one-legged dancing.”
Sheesh, who knows what the youngsters get up to these days...........
Kate Lawler and Shell in this weeks zoo:an update
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I learned on another forum that Kate asked for £20,000 to appear in the BB christmas panto and was refused.
Any truth to this?
I hope she has been over-eating seriously, as she is far too skinny in this picture.
Sky.com
"Cleavage? What? You mean boobs? I used to have one of them - I mean two actually. Bra? Why, do you think I need one?"
Any truth to this?
I hope she has been over-eating seriously, as she is far too skinny in this picture.
Sky.com
"Cleavage? What? You mean boobs? I used to have one of them - I mean two actually. Bra? Why, do you think I need one?"
Originally Posted by ForumDiva:
“Cough, splutter - this really made me laugh - sorry!
'Any' of the others were more high profile than Kate.
Her awful gaffs were cringingly embarrassing (her Hitler reference was a prime example) or her 'accidental' knicker flashes for the lads, how desperate was that.
Apart from a few diehard fans, the rest of the audience was made up of her horde of critics tuning in for forum ammunition which she delivered by the barrowload.”
“Cough, splutter - this really made me laugh - sorry!
'Any' of the others were more high profile than Kate.
Her awful gaffs were cringingly embarrassing (her Hitler reference was a prime example) or her 'accidental' knicker flashes for the lads, how desperate was that.
Apart from a few diehard fans, the rest of the audience was made up of her horde of critics tuning in for forum ammunition which she delivered by the barrowload.”
I think you missed the point.
Kate, a Big Brother Winner, was more high profile than Iain, Dougie & Zora, in terms of interest from the press & magazines. For instance, Kate has done 3 magazine interviews in the last two weeks, a year after RI:SE, and two-and-half years after she won Big Brother. Iain & Dougie are jobbing presenters that have no profile in newspapers & magazines. They are probably lucky.
The one or two knicker flashes were accidental. Denise Van Outen & Amanda Bryam or whatever her name was beat Kate in that department.
The 'Hitler' comment was reported wildly out of context - as anybody who actually witnessed it will testify. A week before that comment Iain made a crude joke about Anne Frank, tho this wasn't reported anywhere.
The RI:SE audience was at it's highest during Kate's tenure. There were about 20-30 critics of Ri:se on BB forums/channel4 forums. Most people watched because they liked the programme & had no desire or inclination to express their views on the internet. However, a site was set up for people to express their anger at the axing of the programme. 450 people expressed their dismay.
Originally Posted by new_rose:
“I think you missed the point.
Kate, a Big Brother Winner, was more high profile than Iain, Dougie & Zora, in terms of interest from the press & magazines.”
“I think you missed the point.
Kate, a Big Brother Winner, was more high profile than Iain, Dougie & Zora, in terms of interest from the press & magazines.”
Was she? I think you're giving way too much credibility to BB and the idiots that win it. It's amazing that they suddenly develop this wonderful presenting skills that automatically gives them the right to inflict their presence on us indefinately .
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“For instance, Kate has done 3 magazine interviews in the last two weeks, a year after RI:SE, and two-and-half years after she won Big Brother.”
“For instance, Kate has done 3 magazine interviews in the last two weeks, a year after RI:SE, and two-and-half years after she won Big Brother.”
Most of us don't care and won't read them and in the scale of things, 3 mag interviews in 12 months is pretty dire, she'd earn more going back to her old job.
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“Iain & Dougie are jobbing presenters that have no profile in newspapers & magazines. They are probably lucky.”
“Iain & Dougie are jobbing presenters that have no profile in newspapers & magazines. They are probably lucky.”
But 'you're' missing the point, they were around before Kate, both carried Kate in her presenting stint (pity they couldn't help her when she did Celebrity Extra that was bl**dy awful) but they'll be around long afterwards when her only claim to fame besides BB will be her significant other.
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“one or two knicker flashes were accidental.”
“one or two knicker flashes were accidental.”
Oh please! Look back the archives here if you can, it was a daily joke and well recorded.
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“The 'Hitler' comment was reported wildly out of context - as anybody who actually witnessed it will testify.”
“The 'Hitler' comment was reported wildly out of context - as anybody who actually witnessed it will testify.”
Well I watched it.
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“The RI:SE audience was at it's highest during Kate's tenure. There were about 20-30 critics of Ri:se on BB forums/channel4 forums.”
“The RI:SE audience was at it's highest during Kate's tenure. There were about 20-30 critics of Ri:se on BB forums/channel4 forums.”
Again misleading, she was such a joke that it was almost entertaining. Still can't blame her totally, we should blame her agent.
QUOTE=ForumDiva]Was she? I think you're giving way too much credibility to BB and the idiots that win it. It's amazing that they suddenly develop this wonderful presenting skills that automatically gives them the right to inflict their presence on us indefinately .
Where are you watching TV? Top presenters have one main skill that is that they have personalities that get viewers to watch them. A BB winner obviously has appeal or they wouldn't have won. Few presenters anywhere on TV are any good precisely because they have no personality. Technically Kate started from scratch on live TV and by the end was making fewer mistakes than Iain.
Most of us don't care and won't read them and in the scale of things, 3 mag interviews in 12 months is pretty dire, she'd earn more going back to her old job.
If you read the post you were replying to it says 2 weeks not 12 months. An obvious case of bias triumphing over evidence.
But 'you're' missing the point, they were around before Kate, both carried Kate in her presenting stint (pity they couldn't help her when she did Celebrity Extra that was bl**dy awful) but they'll be around long afterwards when her only claim to fame besides BB will be her significant other.
The peak audience doubled under Kate from the level Iain and dougie managed before with Edith who was a pro. Iain's mistakes exceeded Kate's. Thats what happens on live TV. Thats why most people can't do live TV at all - especially live comedy -and thats why it died in the sixties.
Oh please! Look back the archives here if you can, it was a daily joke and well recorded.
[B]Kate's underwear shots were a lot to do with cameramen and editors fishing. Kate evidently would have worn trousers. Her only fault was in not defining her role more firmly.[/b]
Well I watched it.
But you understood nothing because you lept to an illogical conclusion based on a simplicity. Reading out a newspaper cutting saying Hitler was a great leader in a list of great leaders might invite comment on the newspaper but not the reader. As it was, the point was the sort of one that only a GCSE student heading for a fail would misunderstand. Hitler was a great leader - greatness is about achievements not the morality of them. Stalin was a great leader. Mao was a great leader. Saddam Hussein was a great Iraqi leader,. They just happened to be great leaders who were genocidal dictatorial murderers with more than a touch of insanity. Dare anyone to name any candidate for a great leader who someone wouldn't find problems with - Churchill? Truman? Attila the Hun? Peter the great? Elizabeth the great? Catherine the great? Napoleon? Genghis Khan? Pretty short list of great leaders left if you follow that route.
Where are you watching TV? Top presenters have one main skill that is that they have personalities that get viewers to watch them. A BB winner obviously has appeal or they wouldn't have won. Few presenters anywhere on TV are any good precisely because they have no personality. Technically Kate started from scratch on live TV and by the end was making fewer mistakes than Iain.
Most of us don't care and won't read them and in the scale of things, 3 mag interviews in 12 months is pretty dire, she'd earn more going back to her old job.
If you read the post you were replying to it says 2 weeks not 12 months. An obvious case of bias triumphing over evidence.
But 'you're' missing the point, they were around before Kate, both carried Kate in her presenting stint (pity they couldn't help her when she did Celebrity Extra that was bl**dy awful) but they'll be around long afterwards when her only claim to fame besides BB will be her significant other.
The peak audience doubled under Kate from the level Iain and dougie managed before with Edith who was a pro. Iain's mistakes exceeded Kate's. Thats what happens on live TV. Thats why most people can't do live TV at all - especially live comedy -and thats why it died in the sixties.
Oh please! Look back the archives here if you can, it was a daily joke and well recorded.
[B]Kate's underwear shots were a lot to do with cameramen and editors fishing. Kate evidently would have worn trousers. Her only fault was in not defining her role more firmly.[/b]
Well I watched it.
But you understood nothing because you lept to an illogical conclusion based on a simplicity. Reading out a newspaper cutting saying Hitler was a great leader in a list of great leaders might invite comment on the newspaper but not the reader. As it was, the point was the sort of one that only a GCSE student heading for a fail would misunderstand. Hitler was a great leader - greatness is about achievements not the morality of them. Stalin was a great leader. Mao was a great leader. Saddam Hussein was a great Iraqi leader,. They just happened to be great leaders who were genocidal dictatorial murderers with more than a touch of insanity. Dare anyone to name any candidate for a great leader who someone wouldn't find problems with - Churchill? Truman? Attila the Hun? Peter the great? Elizabeth the great? Catherine the great? Napoleon? Genghis Khan? Pretty short list of great leaders left if you follow that route.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“It seems very likely to me that people will interpret ignornace as stupidity; I've often seen claims that someone was stupid when the only evidence was that they didn't know something or had made some mistake on a live tv show that could be for any of a number of reasons, such as being distracted by something else or being tired.
Then, there can be evidence that they're not so stupid after all, such as newspaper interviews in the interviewer decides that they're actually quite smart.
Next, other viewers may have a very different impression. thenetworkbabe, for example, says Kate has "wit and a sense of fun." If stupidity was right there to see, there wouldn't be so much disagreement about it.”
“It seems very likely to me that people will interpret ignornace as stupidity; I've often seen claims that someone was stupid when the only evidence was that they didn't know something or had made some mistake on a live tv show that could be for any of a number of reasons, such as being distracted by something else or being tired.
Then, there can be evidence that they're not so stupid after all, such as newspaper interviews in the interviewer decides that they're actually quite smart.
Next, other viewers may have a very different impression. thenetworkbabe, for example, says Kate has "wit and a sense of fun." If stupidity was right there to see, there wouldn't be so much disagreement about it.”
You are right there is a great difference between stupidity and ignorance. There is also a biq question what you might expect people to know about. Kate's lack of knowledge revealed on RISE was interesting - she didn't know about old films or 1970s TV but I don't know about TV ten years before I was born either. Iain talking about Doctor Who to someone who seems not too be into SF was obviously not going to get any further than if he asked a passing Amish. .She wasn't interested in politics either but who, apart from people with politics degrees or jobs or an interest in foxes , is in 2005. She strangely didn't know anything about swords and sabres but again why would she. Some newspaper defence correspondants don't know a ship from a boat either. She did know a lot about music, celebrities, fashion and current films which was actually what someone in that job needed.
None of that makes her stupid. Actually she seems pretty quick witted and witty which again is what she needed. On BB3 its Kate with the inventive sense of humour and its Kate who was the only one able to work out the nomination perms and come up with the right answer - which was pretty telling given the educational level of the other HM who got it wrong! Is she unusual? No - universities are full of students with even less general knowledge and little subject knowledge either. The ones with similar levels of drive, brain, wit and interest get 2.1s.
Its what hapens when you have a narrow syllabus, lots of other thigs to be interested in and the current educational system and it gets worse as the outputs of the system go on to teach the next generation. Are the kids in university dimmer - no they are probably brighter and certainly more assertive. Do they know as much - almost invariably not.
People also confuse roles and the real thing. The problem for Kate on BB was that her editors tried to portray her as dumb blonde without compensating by allowing her to do all the things she was best suited for - the obvious one was the sight of Dougie who knew nothing about modern music doing interviews with musicians Kate seemed to know. Dougie couldn't interview them, Kate didn't get the chance to dominate that niche. A more established presenter might have stood up more to the attempted type casting- although without it the conflict with Iain wouldn't have worked either. It was a trade off and seemed to get the ratings but you wonder if it was wise.
Sillier people also believe what the newspapers say and in Kate's case the anti-BB paper the Mirror published most of the nonsensical stories about her - including the crass Kate likes Hitler story - which made no sense at all but served the twin purpose of trying to make Kate look silly and having a go at the paper she was reading from at the same time. Perhaps Mirror readers really are too dim to understand the meaning of "great leader" but thats no ecxuse for anyone else.
Originally Posted by smalltree:
“Tony Benn
well,...he IS great!!!”
“Tony Benn
well,...he IS great!!!”
Though not o someone who would call Mrs Thatcher great ......
Raises the point about how much you have to do to be great. Being good doesn't hack it - Florence Nightingale the great? Tony B ( no not Blair ) might be great for two reasons - true socialist (but what did he achieve not even leading his party?) or because he single handedly destroyed the Labour Party for Mrs T and produced the revolution in British politics (big enough change) There were even those who thought he had taken the job MI 5 offered him and spent his life destroying Labour for them.........
Its a lot easier with the historical greats - long marches, wars won, continents enslaved, catholics burnt, brutal rule remembered for years, revolutions put down by grapeshot,....,........
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Raises the point about how much you have to do to be great. Being good doesn't hack it -
Its a lot easier with the historical greats - long marches, wars won, continents enslaved, catholics burnt, brutal rule remembered for years, revolutions put down by grapeshot,....,........”
“Raises the point about how much you have to do to be great. Being good doesn't hack it -
Its a lot easier with the historical greats - long marches, wars won, continents enslaved, catholics burnt, brutal rule remembered for years, revolutions put down by grapeshot,....,........”
i'm very aware that Tony Benn never quite made it as leader of his 'party' ect ect...
but i did'nt intend to write a wordy thesis on how much 'he' has achieved (good/bad) to be considered great...
my intention was simply to state that in the "eye of my OWN beholding" i consider Tony Benn great
Think back to the final of Big Brother series three. Like previous Big Brother winners, it seemed quite probable that it would again be a male contestant to walk away with the £70,000 prize. However this time it wasn't to be, and Kate Lawler, the IT administrator from Kent, was to emerge as the nations favourite.
I'm sure there were a large number of people who were glad to see a female claim the winning position, but I just couldn't see why Kate deserved the prize. I wanted her voted out from the moment she entered the house!
Firstly it was the constant flirting with every other male housemate that wound me up. This immediately proved to me that she seemed to have a game plan, where she would get every red-blooded man on her side, by using her charm and good looks, thus ensuring she'd be in the house till the very last day.
Obviously her plan worked, and every male in the house was under her spell at some point. Even Alex was at the very beginning, only changing his mind when Kate and Jonny's alliance grew stronger.
myvillage.com
I'm sure there were a large number of people who were glad to see a female claim the winning position, but I just couldn't see why Kate deserved the prize. I wanted her voted out from the moment she entered the house!
Firstly it was the constant flirting with every other male housemate that wound me up. This immediately proved to me that she seemed to have a game plan, where she would get every red-blooded man on her side, by using her charm and good looks, thus ensuring she'd be in the house till the very last day.
Obviously her plan worked, and every male in the house was under her spell at some point. Even Alex was at the very beginning, only changing his mind when Kate and Jonny's alliance grew stronger.
myvillage.com
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“'Innocent Jade'?
”
“'Innocent Jade'?
”
"Kate however just watched and laughed as innocent Jade shamed herself on national television. "
Forgive the writer.
How was anyone to foresee the Heat, Ok!,etc phenomenon that is Jade now - ubber tabloid fodder for the chav classes.
Back when this article was written, them days was indeed innocent!
Of course the news doing the rounds over the last week was of a feud developing between Kate and Annabel Croft as they compete for top billing on their forthcoming reality wrestling TV show
Originally Posted by Iknowicould:
“"Kate however just watched and laughed as innocent Jade shamed herself on national television. "
Forgive the writer.
How was anyone to foresee the Heat, Ok!,etc phenomenon that is Jade now - ubber tabloid fodder for the chav classes.
Back when this article was written, them days was indeed innocent!”
“"Kate however just watched and laughed as innocent Jade shamed herself on national television. "
Forgive the writer.
How was anyone to foresee the Heat, Ok!,etc phenomenon that is Jade now - ubber tabloid fodder for the chav classes.
Back when this article was written, them days was indeed innocent!”
I didn't foresee all that nonsense back then either, but I didn't ever see Jade as innocent.
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“I didn't foresee all that nonsense back then either, but I didn't ever see Jade as innocent.”
“I didn't foresee all that nonsense back then either, but I didn't ever see Jade as innocent.”
But, but, but..........she was 'the baby'
Originally Posted by cheeks:
“Of course the news doing the rounds over the last week was of a feud developing between Kate and Annabel Croft as they compete for top billing on their forthcoming reality wrestling TV show”
“Of course the news doing the rounds over the last week was of a feud developing between Kate and Annabel Croft as they compete for top billing on their forthcoming reality wrestling TV show”
"Lawler gearing up for Celebrity Wrestling
TV babes Kate Lawler and Annabel Croft are getting hot under the collar ahead of the start of the glamorous grapple-fest, Celebrity Wrestling.
Former RI:SE presenter Kate and Treasure Hunt action girl Annabel are both competing in the ITV show, but are reported to have become bitter rivals in their bids to boost their flagging TV careers.
Both are currently out of work and see the show, which will pit six men and six women against each other in a Gladiators style competition, as the perfect opportunity to get their faces back in the public domain.
InTheNews.co.uk
The last time I saw either of them, they both look too skinny. I hope they are guzzling down the protein shakes and building flesh on their skeletons.
Originally Posted by new_rose:
“I think the Kate Lawler/Iain Lee incarnation of RI:SE was underrated. It was by far the best watched version of RI:SE, in terms of audience figures.”
“I think the Kate Lawler/Iain Lee incarnation of RI:SE was underrated. It was by far the best watched version of RI:SE, in terms of audience figures.”
Originally Posted by new_rose:
“The RI:SE audience was at it's highest during Kate's tenure.”
“The RI:SE audience was at it's highest during Kate's tenure.”
Though I agree with most of your defence of kate, I don't quite agree with that "by far". In both of its years, RI:SE had its best audience during Big Brother. When Kate was presenting, the numbers were a bit higher than the year before's, but RI:SE was also devoting a lot more time to Big Brother. (I'm going mostly by the weekly peak stats on the BARB website.)
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“The peak audience doubled under Kate from the level Iain and dougie managed before with Edith who was a pro. Iain's mistakes exceeded Kate's. Thats what happens on live TV. Thats why most people can't do live TV at all - especially live comedy -and thats why it died in the sixties.”
“The peak audience doubled under Kate from the level Iain and dougie managed before with Edith who was a pro. Iain's mistakes exceeded Kate's. Thats what happens on live TV. Thats why most people can't do live TV at all - especially live comedy -and thats why it died in the sixties.”
The Edith - Iain combination was a particular low. Edith is competent and nice but completely uninteresting, and there was zero chemistry of any sort with Iain. (Perhaps C4 should have tried Colin and Edith.)
The problem with Kate's mistakes is that they weren't all because she wasn't old enough, or interesting in the right things, to know what Iain was talking about. She wouldn't know what words meant, she wouldn't get some jokes. Iain's mistakes could usually be put down to sloppiness or "can't be bothered". Many of Kate's were just the short that tabloid writers (who tend to be fairly clever with words) and internet forumites would tend to pick up on and see as air-headedness, and which only have to be repeated, perhaps with a little spin, to seem stupid.
Also, Kate wasn't an innuendo machine. Innuendos and "double" entendres are usually seen as signs of cleverness. They're what made Denise Van Outen seem good, and no female C4 breakfast presenter (except maybe Gaby) has been successful wihout them.
Finally, there's a noticeable tendency to dislike celebs who are seen as more successful than they deserve, and as a mere BB winner with no tv presenting experience, Kate did not "deserve" to be presenting C4's breakfast show.
Originally Posted by Iknowicould:
“"Lawler gearing up for Celebrity Wrestling
TV babes Kate Lawler and Annabel Croft are getting hot under the collar ahead of the start of the glamorous grapple-fest, Celebrity Wrestling.
Former RI:SE presenter Kate and Treasure Hunt action girl Annabel are both competing in the ITV show, but are reported to have become bitter rivals in their bids to boost their flagging TV careers.
”
“"Lawler gearing up for Celebrity Wrestling
TV babes Kate Lawler and Annabel Croft are getting hot under the collar ahead of the start of the glamorous grapple-fest, Celebrity Wrestling.
Former RI:SE presenter Kate and Treasure Hunt action girl Annabel are both competing in the ITV show, but are reported to have become bitter rivals in their bids to boost their flagging TV careers.
”
All that's missing is the mud, really.
Originally Posted by Emzi:
“All that's missing is the mud, really.”
“All that's missing is the mud, really.”
Tell me about it, such a missed oppourtunity
Originally Posted by Iknowicould:
“
Firstly it was the constant flirting with every other male housemate that wound me up. This immediately proved to me that she seemed to have a game plan, where she would get every red-blooded man on her side, by using her charm and good looks, thus ensuring she'd be in the house till the very last day.
Obviously her plan worked, and every male in the house was under her spell at some point. Even Alex was at the very beginning, only changing his mind when Kate and Jonny's alliance grew stronger.
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Firstly it was the constant flirting with every other male housemate that wound me up. This immediately proved to me that she seemed to have a game plan, where she would get every red-blooded man on her side, by using her charm and good looks, thus ensuring she'd be in the house till the very last day.
Obviously her plan worked, and every male in the house was under her spell at some point. Even Alex was at the very beginning, only changing his mind when Kate and Jonny's alliance grew stronger.
”
The writer of this article obviously didn't watch BB3.
Spencer flirted with Kate, though wasn't smart enough to realise that Kate actually liked him, until Davina told him.
Alex changed his mind about Kate in the middle of BB3 & only nominated Kate once throughout the entire series - though his lack of intelligence in understanding a throwaway nomination from Kate, when on the poor side, was all too apparent.
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