The Ratings Thread (Part 52)
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Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Can anyone even try to explain why Waterloo Road has been recommissioned after the ever declining ratings of the last few series. Its a dead duck just let it go.
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“Can anyone even try to explain why Waterloo Road has been recommissioned after the ever declining ratings of the last few series. Its a dead duck just let it go.
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Probably with many other shows with declining ratings - they think they can rejuvenate it.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Can anyone even try to explain why Waterloo Road has been recommissioned after the ever declining ratings of the last few series. Its a dead duck just let it go.”
“Can anyone even try to explain why Waterloo Road has been recommissioned after the ever declining ratings of the last few series. Its a dead duck just let it go.
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Probably because they commissioned it for multiple extended series when it was doing well. And of course the whole Scotland farce - because producing it in Glasgow is somehow getting the BBC less centralised than producing it in Rochdale.
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Educating Yorkshire will get around 2.5m incl +1 I reckon.”
“Educating Yorkshire will get around 2.5m incl +1 I reckon.”
I'd say maybe 1.7 Million inc +1.
Educating Essex was heavily promoted and started with like 1.4 Million so i don't think it will get a huge jump
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not sure how Waterloo Road will do with a weaker EastEnders before it. I suspect it will be below 3 million.
I also hope Educating Yorkshire does well in the 21:00 hour, but tough competition. Pat & Cabbage is a complete wildcard, could easily be 3 million or 5 million. Pretty sure The Guilty will be low to mid 4 million.”
“Not sure how Waterloo Road will do with a weaker EastEnders before it. I suspect it will be below 3 million.
I also hope Educating Yorkshire does well in the 21:00 hour, but tough competition. Pat & Cabbage is a complete wildcard, could easily be 3 million or 5 million. Pretty sure The Guilty will be low to mid 4 million.”
Waterloo Road! Possibly the worst drama on TV! Ever!
What are people thinking about Sky's Mount Pleasant? Is it something that you'll watch? And, how did series 2 rate generally?
Originally Posted by GoshBagosh:
“I'd say maybe 1.7 Million inc +1.
Educating Essex was heavily promoted and started with like 1.4 Million so i don't think it will get a huge jump”
“I'd say maybe 1.7 Million inc +1.
Educating Essex was heavily promoted and started with like 1.4 Million so i don't think it will get a huge jump”
Not as big a campaign as this that has gone on for over a month and included other channels. I think it's reasonable to expect 2 million with +1 included.
Originally Posted by Belligerence:
“Well that full reported £1m Eastenders stunt sucked and blowed.”
“Well that full reported £1m Eastenders stunt sucked and blowed.”
If it really cost £1m then they didn't get value for money at all.
The last couple of episodes sounded good but were poorly executed on screen. Despite having all the ingredients for some good drama, it just didn't come together. If any viewers came back to Eastenders to see this storyline I don't think they'll have been impressed.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Still think the gang drama most people will be talking about is Peaky Blinders.”
“Still think the gang drama most people will be talking about is Peaky Blinders.”
I'm really looking forward to that. The trailer looks great, and it's set in my former neck of the woods.
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“I don't think ITV should charge for previews. Only idiots will pay plus it should be available on all ITV Player platforms including through the TV, like Sky do. That's the problem I have with BBC previews as well. It's online only.
Having said that previewing first will hurt a programmes official TV rating as online previews aren't included. What is the point for now?”
“I don't think ITV should charge for previews. Only idiots will pay plus it should be available on all ITV Player platforms including through the TV, like Sky do. That's the problem I have with BBC previews as well. It's online only.
Having said that previewing first will hurt a programmes official TV rating as online previews aren't included. What is the point for now?”
I did a rough back-of-the-envelope calculation with regard to ITV's paid-for preview. The cost of a 30-second advert in September 2010 was £19.45 per thousand ABC1 Adult viewers, which is 1.945p for each viewer in that demo. For this illustration I've assumed that this figure haven't changed.
If an Adult ABC1 viewer bought a preview instead, it is reasonable to assume they wouldn't then watch the broadcast version when it went out. Therefore they would not watch the adverts during and around the programme. Assuming three breaks of 3m30s each, plus another advert at either end, ITV would miss out on about 17.5p of advertising revenue per ABC1 Adult viewer. Even accounting for the knock-on effect of a smaller lead-in for the following programme, and missed trails for other shows, they would clearly make a net benefit from selling an episode of Whitechapel for £1.29 (although whether they have to pay some of that over to rights-holders, I don't know).
Originally Posted by Hitmusic:
“Does anyone know the viewing figures for wentworth prison episode 2?”
“Does anyone know the viewing figures for wentworth prison episode 2?”
1.25m (7.9%) + 109k on +1 = 1.36m (8.6%).
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Waterloo Road! Possibly the worst drama on TV! Ever!
What are people thinking about Sky's Mount Pleasant? Is it something that you'll watch? And, how did series 2 rate generally?”
“Waterloo Road! Possibly the worst drama on TV! Ever!
What are people thinking about Sky's Mount Pleasant? Is it something that you'll watch? And, how did series 2 rate generally?”
No it's not. That's just your opinion. I enjoy it and have done so since its inception. The one thing I will give you is that its quality is up and down at the moment. It was good tonight though, the best in a while.
Why are Channel 5 airing a programme called '10 Most Annoying Things About 1999' tonight? Is it part of a series of 'looks back on years' that I've missed so far? Because it looks pretty random so far? Did anything particularly interesting happen in 1999? Plus Robert Webb presenting will automatically make it feel like it's been made for the week between Christmas and New Year on BBC Three. Can't see it doing much ratings-wise.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“The title is a bit offputting Is it a series about a woman called Pat who likes eating cabbage? Is it full of fart jokes?”
“The title is a bit offputting Is it a series about a woman called Pat who likes eating cabbage? Is it full of fart jokes?”
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“Why are Channel 5 airing a programme called '10 Most Annoying Things About 1999' tonight? Is it part of a series of 'looks back on years' that I've missed so far? Because it looks pretty random If its just a standalone programme. Did anything particularly interesting happen in 1999? Plus Robert Webb presenting will automatically make it feel like it's been made for the week between Christmas and New Year on BBC Three. Can't see it doing much ratings-wise.
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“Why are Channel 5 airing a programme called '10 Most Annoying Things About 1999' tonight? Is it part of a series of 'looks back on years' that I've missed so far? Because it looks pretty random If its just a standalone programme. Did anything particularly interesting happen in 1999? Plus Robert Webb presenting will automatically make it feel like it's been made for the week between Christmas and New Year on BBC Three. Can't see it doing much ratings-wise.
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It's a repeat. It didn't rate too good the first time so I'm not expecting much.
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“Defending champion Andy Murray two sets down on Sky Sports 1.”
“Defending champion Andy Murray two sets down on Sky Sports 1.”
And a break down in the third.
Bang go Sky's hopes of another 1.5m peak at 2am.
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“Sky 1 axe Starlings...
http://sky1.sky.com/starlings/starlings-?DCMP=SNT”
“Sky 1 axe Starlings...
http://sky1.sky.com/starlings/starlings-?DCMP=SNT”
Sky are starting to be ruthless. They enticed talent with 2 series deals but the talent and shows need to deliver. Sky will be looking for more shows that get big ratings rather than niche award winners. I think we're going to see that change very soon. For that reason I think it's 50/50 if The Cafe returns.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I'm really looking forward to that. The trailer looks great, and it's set in my former neck of the woods.
I did a rough back-of-the-envelope calculation with regard to ITV's paid-for preview. The cost of a 30-second advert in September 2010 was £19.45 per thousand ABC1 Adult viewers, which is 1.945p for each viewer in that demo. For this illustration I've assumed that this figure haven't changed.
If an Adult ABC1 viewer bought a preview instead, it is reasonable to assume they wouldn't then watch the broadcast version when it went out. Therefore they would not watch the adverts during and around the programme. Assuming three breaks of 3m30s each, plus another advert at either end, ITV would miss out on about 17.5p of advertising revenue per ABC1 Adult viewer. Even accounting for the knock-on effect of a smaller lead-in for the following programme, and missed trails for other shows, they would clearly make a net benefit from selling an episode of Whitechapel for £1.29 (although whether they have to pay some of that over to rights-holders, I don't know).
1.25m (7.9%) + 109k on +1 = 1.36m (8.6%).”
“I'm really looking forward to that. The trailer looks great, and it's set in my former neck of the woods.
I did a rough back-of-the-envelope calculation with regard to ITV's paid-for preview. The cost of a 30-second advert in September 2010 was £19.45 per thousand ABC1 Adult viewers, which is 1.945p for each viewer in that demo. For this illustration I've assumed that this figure haven't changed.
If an Adult ABC1 viewer bought a preview instead, it is reasonable to assume they wouldn't then watch the broadcast version when it went out. Therefore they would not watch the adverts during and around the programme. Assuming three breaks of 3m30s each, plus another advert at either end, ITV would miss out on about 17.5p of advertising revenue per ABC1 Adult viewer. Even accounting for the knock-on effect of a smaller lead-in for the following programme, and missed trails for other shows, they would clearly make a net benefit from selling an episode of Whitechapel for £1.29 (although whether they have to pay some of that over to rights-holders, I don't know).
1.25m (7.9%) + 109k on +1 = 1.36m (8.6%).
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Can we have more posts like that please in this thread. Interesting and informative - a refreshing change to much of the back and forth bickering we've had to endure here today.
Agree to Peaky Blinders looks like it could well be a... well, blinder! Probably the only new drama this autumn which has caught my attention.
P.S. And Murray now out, though Sky will be happy he got knocked out in primetime rather than overnight.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Who Do You Think You Are? has had its time now. There will have been 90 episodes by the time this series ends. It's a great programme, always has been, but it's ran it's course. Unfortunately, they've commissioned it for another 10 episodes next year.
BBC1 is full of programmes with ratings steadily declining, but they seem happier to accept that then to risk brand new commissions.”
“Who Do You Think You Are? has had its time now. There will have been 90 episodes by the time this series ends. It's a great programme, always has been, but it's ran it's course. Unfortunately, they've commissioned it for another 10 episodes next year.
BBC1 is full of programmes with ratings steadily declining, but they seem happier to accept that then to risk brand new commissions.”
Certainly past its peak but still packs a punch with the right subject. Fascinating last night but maybe a story largely in Kenya and India isn't going to appeal to a mass audience here.
As for Whitechapel, didn't see it but surely late summer isn't the right time for broadcast, probably same for What Remains. Some stuff doesn't feel right at this time of year. I suspect the weather knocked some of the ratings last night. Good for Celeb Masterchef though-Im constantly amazed at the standard of food these amateurs produce under intense pressure. Whatever fee they get its well earned imo.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Pats Cabbage”
“Pats Cabbage”
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“It's picking up: 3.815m (21%) tape-checked on Tuesday night.”
“It's picking up: 3.815m (21%) tape-checked on Tuesday night.”
Thanks, Neil.
Better than I thought.
Originally Posted by wizzywick;684*****:
“I wonder if By Any Means will be on Thursdays? Isn't there a forthcoming natural history series that could air on Sundays? A proper alternative to drama is what is required. With virtually all the available audience who would watch drama glued to Downton, what would be the point of showing drama against it? But then again, we are talking about BBC schedulers so anything is possible!”
“I wonder if By Any Means will be on Thursdays? Isn't there a forthcoming natural history series that could air on Sundays? A proper alternative to drama is what is required. With virtually all the available audience who would watch drama glued to Downton, what would be the point of showing drama against it? But then again, we are talking about BBC schedulers so anything is possible!”
I'd have expected them to use What Remains against Abbey,because Remains is a self-contained serial, rather than something with the potential to be a returning series. And, I think they would have, but they delayed George Gently because of the similarities to Vera.
"Who Do You Think You Are?" can attract a big audience given the subject. I understand why BBC One would like to keep it. Its reached 5 million during this series and other networks would probably like those figures it gets. It competed well with a heavyweight itv drama last night and was only beaten by "Masterchef' which shot up the ratings last night. A good steady night for BBC One against a strong line up from itv.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I'm really looking forward to that. The trailer looks great, and it's set in my former neck of the woods.”
“I'm really looking forward to that. The trailer looks great, and it's set in my former neck of the woods.”
Looks very stylish. Thursday will be crowded with The Guilty and Educating Yorkshire. Next Friday morning will be fun!
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“I did a rough back-of-the-envelope calculation with regard to ITV's paid-for preview. The cost of a 30-second advert in September 2010 was £19.45 per thousand ABC1 Adult viewers, which is 1.945p for each viewer in that demo. For this illustration I've assumed that this figure haven't changed.
If an Adult ABC1 viewer bought a preview instead, it is reasonable to assume they wouldn't then watch the broadcast version when it went out. Therefore they would not watch the adverts during and around the programme. Assuming three breaks of 3m30s each, plus another advert at either end, ITV would miss out on about 17.5p of advertising revenue per ABC1 Adult viewer. Even accounting for the knock-on effect of a smaller lead-in for the following programme, and missed trails for other shows, they would clearly make a net benefit from selling an episode of Whitechapel for £1.29 (although whether they have to pay some of that over to rights-holders, I don't know).”
“I did a rough back-of-the-envelope calculation with regard to ITV's paid-for preview. The cost of a 30-second advert in September 2010 was £19.45 per thousand ABC1 Adult viewers, which is 1.945p for each viewer in that demo. For this illustration I've assumed that this figure haven't changed.
If an Adult ABC1 viewer bought a preview instead, it is reasonable to assume they wouldn't then watch the broadcast version when it went out. Therefore they would not watch the adverts during and around the programme. Assuming three breaks of 3m30s each, plus another advert at either end, ITV would miss out on about 17.5p of advertising revenue per ABC1 Adult viewer. Even accounting for the knock-on effect of a smaller lead-in for the following programme, and missed trails for other shows, they would clearly make a net benefit from selling an episode of Whitechapel for £1.29 (although whether they have to pay some of that over to rights-holders, I don't know).”
Interesting calculation so enough people could have purchased the episode to make it financially worthwhile. They might offer special ad packages for episodes that are made available online first. If I was buying advertising on a show I'd be thinking of possible lost viewers due to it being previewed elsewhere.
ITV could possibly release those numbers in end of year reports?
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Can we have more posts like that please in this thread. Interesting and informative - a refreshing change to much of the back and forth bickering we've had to endure here today.”
“Can we have more posts like that please in this thread. Interesting and informative - a refreshing change to much of the back and forth bickering we've had to endure here today.”
I agree!
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“Agree to Peaky Blinders looks like it could well be a... well, blinder! Probably the only new drama this autumn which has caught my attention.”
“Agree to Peaky Blinders looks like it could well be a... well, blinder! Probably the only new drama this autumn which has caught my attention.”
Peaky Blinders is one of the few Autumn dramas to really get me excited. Can't wait.
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“P.S. And Murray now out, though Sky will be happy he got knocked out in primetime rather than overnight.”
“P.S. And Murray now out, though Sky will be happy he got knocked out in primetime rather than overnight.”
Could today be their last good rating for it?
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Interesting calculation so enough people could have purchased the episode to make it financially worthwhile. They might offer special ad packages for episodes that are made available online first. If I was buying advertising on a show I'd be thinking of possible lost viewers due to it being previewed elsewhere.
ITV could possibly release those numbers in end of year reports?”
“Interesting calculation so enough people could have purchased the episode to make it financially worthwhile. They might offer special ad packages for episodes that are made available online first. If I was buying advertising on a show I'd be thinking of possible lost viewers due to it being previewed elsewhere.
ITV could possibly release those numbers in end of year reports?”
Interesting calculation, but a bit wrong, sorry...
correction here:(3m30s x 3) + (30s x 2) = 11m30s = 23 adverts @ 30s
23 x 1.945p = 44.7p.
So still a decent profit, you would think.
Originally Posted by ElectricBoy171:
“The Guilty was fantastic. Hope it get's a decent rating.”
“The Guilty was fantastic. Hope it get's a decent rating.
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Agree, however i can only see it getting around 4million inc+1, if not less. Its not been trailed that much. I hope to be surprised though.
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