So much buzz about Celebrity Big Brother tonight. My Facebook and Twitter have gone into overdrive. A good mix of characters, probably the best of the C5 celebrity series.
The Ratings Thread (Part 52)
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Watching law and order uk tonight, making me miss the bill, is there room for a new cop procedure show??? Since the axing of waking the dead aswell, bbc1 used to be swarming with them, reliable ratings bankers aswell, I know there came a point when bbc were probably looking for anything but law, but now I think they could do with some more.
Originally Posted by mrstreetcred:
“Watching law and order uk tonight, making me miss the bill, is there room for a new cop procedure show???”
“Watching law and order uk tonight, making me miss the bill, is there room for a new cop procedure show???”
http://about.channel5.com/node/1852
Originally Posted by pieboyjr:
“So much buzz about Celebrity Big Brother tonight. My Facebook and Twitter have gone into overdrive. A good mix of characters, probably the best of the C5 celebrity series.”
“So much buzz about Celebrity Big Brother tonight. My Facebook and Twitter have gone into overdrive. A good mix of characters, probably the best of the C5 celebrity series.”
For me not the best lineup they've had in terms of names but a good mix of characters definitely which should make for an entertaining series. Big names don't equal big ratings anyway if they are bores, it's about the long term picture. Look at the money they wasted on Pamela Anderson going in as a house guest during the civilian run, she was so uninteresting the numbers were actually lower than average during her stay.
So in a nutshell, I think they've done well. Nobody walks away impressed with the lineup but they can see where the drama and excitement that goes with any good series of Big Brother might come from. Job done.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Not the best lineup they've had in terms of names but a good mix of characters definitely which should make for an entertaining series. Considering they are doing two series a year, so upwards of 26 people signed up, they aren't doing badly considering this is now their fifth series. And in any case, big names don't equal big ratings if they are bores. Look at the money they wasted on Pamela Anderson going in as a house guest during the civilian run, she was so uninteresting the numbers were actually lower than average during her stay.
So in a nutshell, I think they've done well. Nobody walks away impressed with the lineup but they can see where the drama and excitement that goes with any good series of Big Brother might come from. Job done.”
“Not the best lineup they've had in terms of names but a good mix of characters definitely which should make for an entertaining series. Considering they are doing two series a year, so upwards of 26 people signed up, they aren't doing badly considering this is now their fifth series. And in any case, big names don't equal big ratings if they are bores. Look at the money they wasted on Pamela Anderson going in as a house guest during the civilian run, she was so uninteresting the numbers were actually lower than average during her stay.
So in a nutshell, I think they've done well. Nobody walks away impressed with the lineup but they can see where the drama and excitement that goes with any good series of Big Brother might come from. Job done.”
Channel 4 were never that good at CBB, they used to go for quite respectable contestants and rarely had anyone on who had appeared on reality TV before. They only really had one iconic and well received series of CBB which was, ironically, driven by a non-celebrity being a housemate. I think the race row sort of put a stop to it on Channel 4, but Channel 5 have been terrific with it, bar their first attempt.
The main series is a solid ratings banker for Channel 5 but if we're being honest, the 3 they've aired have been quite hit and miss and in terms of attracting a big audience, its a complete non-starter. But they consistently get the casting right for CBB and get people talking. Tonights mix may not be the biggest names, but they're well known enough and big personalities. If Louie Spence, Carol McGiffin, Charlotte from Geordie Shore and Lauren Harries aren't enough to produce some absolute car crash and trash TV at its best over the next few weeks, then theres no hope really.
Still don't think CBB will break 3 million. Seemed well received on twitter- doesn't mean the ratings will be any good however as we have seen before. Think it will get a bit higher than CBB10 maybe 2.7-2.8m
Originally Posted by jackc1806:
“Still don't think CBB will break 3 million. Seemed well received on twitter- doesn't mean the ratings will be any good however as we have seen before. Think it will get a bit higher than CBB10 maybe 2.7-2.8m”
“Still don't think CBB will break 3 million. Seemed well received on twitter- doesn't mean the ratings will be any good however as we have seen before. Think it will get a bit higher than CBB10 maybe 2.7-2.8m”
Right to be cautious. There are certain personalities involved, e.g. Geordie Shore's Charlotte, that will drive traffic and references on sites like Twitter a lot more than usual because of the nature of that show which thrives on social media. It doesn't mean anything from a ratings point-of-view and can so often be misleading.
I wouldn't be that surprised if the CBB launch rates lower than last year. BB started with 2.1m which shocked me at the time, and in contrast I was surprised by how high CBB rated in January, so I don't go in with any expectations now. The fact that BB went on to rate better than usual could be a positive and it could also be a negative. I just don't know.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“For me not the best lineup they've had in terms of names but a good mix of characters definitely which should make for an entertaining series. Big names don't equal big ratings anyway if they are bores, it's about the long term picture. Look at the money they wasted on Pamela Anderson going in as a house guest during the civilian run, she was so uninteresting the numbers were actually lower than average during her stay.
So in a nutshell, I think they've done well. Nobody walks away impressed with the lineup but they can see where the drama and excitement that goes with any good series of Big Brother might come from. Job done.”
“For me not the best lineup they've had in terms of names but a good mix of characters definitely which should make for an entertaining series. Big names don't equal big ratings anyway if they are bores, it's about the long term picture. Look at the money they wasted on Pamela Anderson going in as a house guest during the civilian run, she was so uninteresting the numbers were actually lower than average during her stay.
So in a nutshell, I think they've done well. Nobody walks away impressed with the lineup but they can see where the drama and excitement that goes with any good series of Big Brother might come from. Job done.”
It's a poor line up dragged down significantly by two people who have no media profile at all in the UK - and two people that they didn't really need numbers wise at all.
It's a long standing issue with Celeb BB that they seem to forget it only runs 3 weeks but put almost as many people in it as a regular series - had they dropped these nobodies the overall perception of the line up would be so much better, even if it is "reality" top heavy. The magic of CBB is it used to feature people who wouldn't normally be filmed as themselves - nowadays it seems to be dominated by people famous for being filmed as themselves.
As for the big name issue - completely agree it's often not the big names who make a series but I would suspect it's the big names that can pull people into a series. I'm just not sure they have anyone to do that this year - perhaps Abz at a push maybe as he had that kind of role on Big Reunion.
In a way what Big Brother needs is this series to flop and for C5 to realise they'd be better off just extending the main summer series an extra 3 weeks, which would have only required them to have an extra couple of HMs. I guess 1.6m is the low end of that benchmark this year (that's not taking into account the cost of casting celeb BB - after all they'll have to replace the bottom of that barrel!).
2m probably should be the target for nightly shows - but I would say considering with BB on C5 we're usually talking about margins of 100,000 or so that for every 100,000 viewers an extended regular series would get less than a summer CBB they could probably make back in CBB in January due to it being more of a novelty when it airs once a year than twice in the space of five months.
Another 1-sided football game tonight, so next Tuesday ITV1 have the second leg of Arsenal vs Fenerbahce (3-0), whilst ITV4 next Thursday have Spurs vs Tbilisi (5-0).
Just the way these things go.
Just the way these things go.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“It's a poor line up dragged down significantly by two people who have no media profile at all in the UK - and two people that they didn't really need numbers wise at all.
It's a long standing issue with Celeb BB that they seem to forget it only runs 3 weeks but put almost as many people in it as a regular series - had they dropped these nobodies the overall perception of the line up would be so much better, even if it is "reality" top heavy. The magic of CBB is it used to feature people who wouldn't normally be filmed as themselves - nowadays it seems to be dominated by people famous for being filmed as themselves.
As for the big name issue - completely agree it's often not the big names who make a series but I would suspect it's the big names that can pull people into a series. I'm just not sure they have anyone to do that this year - perhaps Abz at a push maybe as he had that kind of role on Big Reunion.
In a way what Big Brother needs is this series to flop and for C5 to realise they'd be better off just extending the main summer series an extra 3 weeks, which would have only required them to have an extra couple of HMs. I guess 1.6m is the low end of that benchmark this year (that's not taking into account the cost of casting celeb BB - after all they'll have to replace the bottom of that barrel!).
2m probably should be the target for nightly shows - but I would say considering with BB on C5 we're usually talking about margins of 100,000 or so that for every 100,000 viewers an extended regular series would get less than a summer CBB they could probably make back in CBB in January due to it being more of a novelty when it airs once a year than twice in the space of five months.”
“It's a poor line up dragged down significantly by two people who have no media profile at all in the UK - and two people that they didn't really need numbers wise at all.
It's a long standing issue with Celeb BB that they seem to forget it only runs 3 weeks but put almost as many people in it as a regular series - had they dropped these nobodies the overall perception of the line up would be so much better, even if it is "reality" top heavy. The magic of CBB is it used to feature people who wouldn't normally be filmed as themselves - nowadays it seems to be dominated by people famous for being filmed as themselves.
As for the big name issue - completely agree it's often not the big names who make a series but I would suspect it's the big names that can pull people into a series. I'm just not sure they have anyone to do that this year - perhaps Abz at a push maybe as he had that kind of role on Big Reunion.
In a way what Big Brother needs is this series to flop and for C5 to realise they'd be better off just extending the main summer series an extra 3 weeks, which would have only required them to have an extra couple of HMs. I guess 1.6m is the low end of that benchmark this year (that's not taking into account the cost of casting celeb BB - after all they'll have to replace the bottom of that barrel!).
2m probably should be the target for nightly shows - but I would say considering with BB on C5 we're usually talking about margins of 100,000 or so that for every 100,000 viewers an extended regular series would get less than a summer CBB they could probably make back in CBB in January due to it being more of a novelty when it airs once a year than twice in the space of five months.”
I might be missing something with the financial side of it, but it doesn't seem like they'd actually gain that much from airing BB for an extra 3 weeks, or airing CBB instead. The celebrity fees and production costs probably aren't that much different to the money they'd otherwise lose if BB continued to a smaller audience, but as what happened last year the CBB nightly show didn't gain that much in the summer and that particular series caught ground with the winter series' either side based on the official figures.
Channel 5 do now seem to have their eye on the ball with Big Brother and made many changes to this years regular series, and one of the main criticisms is that CBB shouldn't air twice yearly. They're locked into a contract until next year for the programme, but if its renewed beyond that then I can see either the regular or summer celebrity series being dropped, and my money would go on the summer celebrity series. Next year though, perhaps they should bring the regular series forward to start in April or May, enabling a good month or so between the regular and celebrity series.
We'll see in the morning. CBB could do really well but I expect not. 2.5-2.7 million is a relative success especially considering with people from GS and TOWIE it is a advertisers paradise so many 16-24s
For anyone interested, here's a snippet of Jay Hunt's controller session at the Edinburgh Festival;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_76Q...0WIFxy&index=6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_76Q...0WIFxy&index=6
Originally Posted by jda135:
“For anyone interested, here's a snippet of Jay Hunt's controller session at the Edinburgh Festival;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_76Q...0WIFxy&index=6”
“For anyone interested, here's a snippet of Jay Hunt's controller session at the Edinburgh Festival;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_76Q...0WIFxy&index=6”
How on earth did she get away with talking such utter rubbish at an industry event, E4 outperforms 5, since when? Channel 4 as a channel is infuriating atm, daytime is a mess, the evenings are filled mainly with stuff that really should be in daytime (Kirsty and Phil should never be let near primetime) yet occasionally there is a glimmer of hope from.something like southckiffe or the mill or any human heart or the Gabriel Byrne drama last year, all of which were excellent homegrown drama-The problem lies in that the schedule isn't balanced or consistent, there's no light entertainment, no flagship show now BBs gone to 5 (where in fairness to them, they know how to.use it to help their schedule) and very little comedy. As for 16-34 reach, surely a lot of their current stuff isn't pulling the numbers? Right, rant over and breathe
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“And was that overnight figure which Samuel pointed out actually wrong? I was going off DS so...”
“And was that overnight figure which Samuel pointed out actually wrong? I was going off DS so...”
That was the period in which BARB screwed up ITV's and Channel 4's ratings. I'm sure I posted a list of corrections at the time but can't find it now.
No surprise that DS didn't revisit their report when the correct figures came out.
Jay Hunt's interview isn't very challenging. The inclusion of E4 into her arguement bizarre. But she doesn't seem too worried that nobody is watching her channel. "The Mill" was indeed a success for Hunt but there hasn't been alot of other hits since she joined. I think she is out of her depth and it shows in that small clip. She shifts uncomfortably in her chair during the question.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“For me not the best lineup they've had in terms of names but a good mix of characters definitely which should make for an entertaining series. Big names don't equal big ratings anyway if they are bores, it's about the long term picture. Look at the money they wasted on Pamela Anderson going in as a house guest during the civilian run, she was so uninteresting the numbers were actually lower than average during her stay.
So in a nutshell, I think they've done well. Nobody walks away impressed with the lineup but they can see where the drama and excitement that goes with any good series of Big Brother might come from. Job done.”
“For me not the best lineup they've had in terms of names but a good mix of characters definitely which should make for an entertaining series. Big names don't equal big ratings anyway if they are bores, it's about the long term picture. Look at the money they wasted on Pamela Anderson going in as a house guest during the civilian run, she was so uninteresting the numbers were actually lower than average during her stay.
So in a nutshell, I think they've done well. Nobody walks away impressed with the lineup but they can see where the drama and excitement that goes with any good series of Big Brother might come from. Job done.”
The best line up was Denise Welch's series. They had a perfect balance of big names and big personalities. Also the secret mission on the first night was great with Bet from Corrie and Heather from EE, definetly one of my favourites! I thought last nights twist was really dull in comparison.
The launch night last night has drawn me in, but they could have done with one or two more bigish names. The cast is a bit too top heavy with 'constructed reality' stars this year, but I guess that's popular with young people these days...not with me though...and one or two of them may as well have gone on the regular Big Brother, as I'd never heard of them before, like that blonde American girl.
Still, I think it will have done well last night and I think viewers will have been hooked in. My prediction is 2.5-2.8m, I don't think it will have quite reached the 3 million mark for the launch last night.
Originally Posted by Joe40:
“CBB getting straight to the point, introducing the first housemate at 9.03pm.”
“CBB getting straight to the point, introducing the first housemate at 9.03pm.”
And what a bunch of Drunks,freaks and complete nonentitites they all are.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“It's a poor line up dragged down significantly by two people who have no media profile at all in the UK - and two people that they didn't really need numbers wise at all.
It's a long standing issue with Celeb BB that they seem to forget it only runs 3 weeks but put almost as many people in it as a regular series - had they dropped these nobodies the overall perception of the line up would be so much better, even if it is "reality" top heavy. The magic of CBB is it used to feature people who wouldn't normally be filmed as themselves - nowadays it seems to be dominated by people famous for being filmed as themselves.
As for the big name issue - completely agree it's often not the big names who make a series but I would suspect it's the big names that can pull people into a series. I'm just not sure they have anyone to do that this year - perhaps Abz at a push maybe as he had that kind of role on Big Reunion.
In a way what Big Brother needs is this series to flop and for C5 to realise they'd be better off just extending the main summer series an extra 3 weeks, which would have only required them to have an extra couple of HMs. I guess 1.6m is the low end of that benchmark this year (that's not taking into account the cost of casting celeb BB - after all they'll have to replace the bottom of that barrel!).
2m probably should be the target for nightly shows - but I would say considering with BB on C5 we're usually talking about margins of 100,000 or so that for every 100,000 viewers an extended regular series would get less than a summer CBB they could probably make back in CBB in January due to it being more of a novelty when it airs once a year than twice in the space of five months.”
“It's a poor line up dragged down significantly by two people who have no media profile at all in the UK - and two people that they didn't really need numbers wise at all.
It's a long standing issue with Celeb BB that they seem to forget it only runs 3 weeks but put almost as many people in it as a regular series - had they dropped these nobodies the overall perception of the line up would be so much better, even if it is "reality" top heavy. The magic of CBB is it used to feature people who wouldn't normally be filmed as themselves - nowadays it seems to be dominated by people famous for being filmed as themselves.
As for the big name issue - completely agree it's often not the big names who make a series but I would suspect it's the big names that can pull people into a series. I'm just not sure they have anyone to do that this year - perhaps Abz at a push maybe as he had that kind of role on Big Reunion.
In a way what Big Brother needs is this series to flop and for C5 to realise they'd be better off just extending the main summer series an extra 3 weeks, which would have only required them to have an extra couple of HMs. I guess 1.6m is the low end of that benchmark this year (that's not taking into account the cost of casting celeb BB - after all they'll have to replace the bottom of that barrel!).
2m probably should be the target for nightly shows - but I would say considering with BB on C5 we're usually talking about margins of 100,000 or so that for every 100,000 viewers an extended regular series would get less than a summer CBB they could probably make back in CBB in January due to it being more of a novelty when it airs once a year than twice in the space of five months.”
Regarding the number of "celebrities" they put in - if they put in too few and a number of them turn out to be boring TV they've got no show. Some of the nobodies they probably got quite cheap. I've never heard of that Irish woman (was that Irish Housewives show even shown on British TV?) but by her VT she might actually end up being entertaining.
@TVRatingsUK: #CelebrityBigBrother series 12 launched last night averaging 2.66m/14.2% (peak 3.06m/17.4%), the second lowest launch night to date. #CBB
Was always going to be lower than January, but a strong percentage for a two hour broadcast so I think Channel 5 will be happy. As shown by this years Big Brother, a low launch does not mean that we won't get a higher average than last years summer CBB.
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