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The Ratings Thread (Part 52)
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NeilVW
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Drifter:
“I'll reserve judgement though (although wait, I kind of haven't) and see what happens. I suspect a big initial impact, but not much after that - but then ratings will be higher anyway due to being on earlier in the year, so I'm not sure how you can gauge it!”

The shares will come into play when we compare winter's ratings with spring's/summer's.

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Maybe people are finally tiring of The One Show and switching off. Surely every possible topic will have had a random celebrity reporting about it by now? ”

Originally Posted by Drifter:
“At the time I seem to remember it being a bit of a novelty that the BBC had a decent weekday rater at 7pm and for a long while after there would be comments about how well it rated on certain days etc...don't recall anything like that for The One Show for a long long time..”

Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Anything between 3 and 4 million is going to be acceptable and I think its still getting that kind of figure.”

The One Show is a pretty consistent rater and it therefore does not prompt much comment, except from people who hate it and want it to be cut back. There's no evidence of people tiring of it, now that ratings have recovered after the summer break. Come October it should be over 4m every night.

Here are the last two weeks' overnight ratings (all are 30-minute shows):

Mon 2nd: 3.95m (21.2%)
Tue 3rd: 3.82m (21.1%)
Wed 4th: 3.63m (20.0%)
Thu 5th: 3.70m (19.9%)
Fri 6th: 3.71m (19.8%)
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Mon 9th: 3.72m (19%)
Tue 10th: 4.91m (26%)
Wed 11th: 3.81m (20%) (not tape-checked, but will be about right)
Thu 12th: 3.77m (20%)
Fri 13th: 3.60m (18.8%)

That Tuesday rating of nearly 5m flew under the radar, didn't it? The One Show was fully networked until 19:25, at which point Alex said goodbye to Scottish viewers who were then treated to Sportscene's coverage of their World Cup qualifier. The 'including Scotland' boost (if any) was therefore very small, and so the major factor was facing only the last 10 minutes of an out-of-slot Emmerdale which averaged 5.70m (30.4%) excluding +1 for the full programme, 4 minutes of ads, and then the low-rating early build-up to the England match (the 19:15-19:30 portion of this was seen by just under 3.3m excluding +1.)

Sources: Screenwatch, ITV Media, DS, Broadcast, Mike TeeVee
Ice dragon1
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Its refreshing to see you take a new less bias look on its ratings. ”

I still love EE though don't get me wrong. I don't want you to go thinking I've gone to the dark side (itv )
jda135
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Friday 13th September 2013
BBC Two
19:00 - Hairy Bikers' Best of British: 1.29m (6.5%)
20:00 - Mastermind: 2.01m (9.5%)
20:30 - Gardeners' World: 2.23m (9.9%)
21:00 - Harvest 2013: 2.08m (9.9%)
22:00 - QI: 1.92 (10.3%)”

That is a pretty impressive set of shares between 8pm and 10pm. BBC Two went under the radar on this forum it seems.

Originally Posted by j10cool10:
“The Voice trying to reboot themselves with new presenters. Emma Willis is every much the presenter of the moment and I'm shocked that some of you haven't heard of her!

I think it'll be Greg James they'll get to present it with her. Him and Emma are under the same management as Holly & Reggie were. Plus, Greg would talk about it to Radio 1 listeners, probably more of interest to The Voice producers than Chris Evan's Radio 2 audience.”

I do think Emma Willis will be pretty good on The Voice. After some early nerves on BB, she certainly got better (from the bits I've seen). Greg James would be the obvious partner for her on the show; they could use his Radio 1 show for crossover promotion. He's a decent presenter, and the shows he's done before (Unzipped, assorted Music Festival coverage) have proved that he could probably handle it well. It's good to see the BBC going for new talent, as it could so easily have been Claudia Winkleman and Nick Knowles presenting.
sn_22
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Exactly, and she herself has admitted that when interviewed about possibly being a judge herself. It's always a difficulty though in casting judges - names pull the audiences in, but often the lesser names are the better judges. As others have said Kylie's career is essentially the opposite of what this show is supposed to be about too.”

If they're using her appointment to drop that sanctimonious PR line, then so much the better. Its done nothing but given everyone else a stick to beat the show with. The Voice is a piece of Saturday evening entertainment, and the only thing it has to do to be a success is entertain. No more, no less. That is all the show is "supposed to be about".
Fudd
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“If they're using her appointment to drop that sanctimonious PR line, then so much the better. Its done nothing but given everyone else a stick to beat the show with. The Voice is a piece of Saturday evening entertainment, and the only thing it has to do to be a success is entertain. No more, no less. That is all the show is "supposed to be about".”

The problem is they had to use that sanctimonious PR line to beat off accusations that they were simply copying The X Factor. If they're ditching that then the accusations will just circulate again - especially if The X Factor manages to hold up this year.

I doubt it'd be as much of an issue had a commercial network picked up the show;. ITV would have nipped the accusations in the bud and other networks don't have the reach. But the BBC, particularly BBC One, tends to get more flak because of the PSB/license fee tightrope it continuously have to tread.
Bushmills
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The problem is they had to use that sanctimonious PR line to beat off accusations that they were simply copying The X Factor. If they're ditching that then the accusations will just circulate again - especially if The X Factor manages to hold up this year.

I doubt it'd be as much of an issue had a commercial network picked up the show;. ITV would have nipped the accusations in the bud and other networks don't have the reach. But the BBC, particularly BBC One, tends to get more flak because of the PSB/license fee tightrope it continuously have to tread.”

The same one that says "inform, educate and entertain"?
gilesb
15-09-2013
Jenny Cummins ‏@jscummins 18s
ITV Ratings: @TheXFactor peaks with 10.4 million, averaging 9.1 million.
SamuelW
15-09-2013
With the bad weather and non existent competition, I expected XFactor to have recovered to 9million or more last night excluding +1.
Hassaan13
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by gilesb:
“Jenny Cummins ‏@jscummins 18s
ITV Ratings: @TheXFactor peaks with 10.4 million, averaging 9.1 million.”

Better than last week, at least.

Up by roughly 800k.

The boost will come next week, though, as it's the last weekend of auditions.

I'm thinking that once again, Stepping Out didn't do very well, and therefore didn't provide X Factor with a good enough lead-in.
Score
15-09-2013
Great rating for X Factor there. Highest Saturday peak of the series too. Also above all of last year's Saturday audition shows.

Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“With the bad weather and non existent competition, Im expecting XFactor to have recovered to 9million or more last night excluding +1.”

A level it hasn't hit for any episode (except finales) since 2011. Of course.
Hassaan13
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Score:
“Great rating for X Factor there. Highest peak of the series too.”

Highest Saturday peak, I believe.

Those figures include +1, so on those merits the average is slightly down on two weeks ago but the peak is higher.
GeorgeS
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Score:
“Great rating for X Factor there. Highest Saturday peak of the series too. Also above all of last year's Saturday audition shows.



A level it hasn't hit for any episode (except finales) since 2011. Of course.”

Up year on year, so not dead yet.
Drifter
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by jda135:
“That is a pretty impressive set of shares between 8pm and 10pm. BBC Two went under the radar on this forum it seems.”

I'm always amazed by how well gardeners' world rates. I mean I shouldn't be but it's just one of those random gentle outdoor type shows like countryfile that seems to mop up more viewers than expected
wizzywick
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Better than last week, at least.

Up by roughly 800k.

The boost will come next week, though, as it's the last weekend of auditions.

I'm thinking that once again, Stepping Out didn't do very well, and therefore didn't provide X Factor with a good enough lead-in.”

I think people worry too much about XF ratings. It is consistently picking up ratings of between 7 and 10 million viewers! Some weeks higher (then we get the "XF is recovering" analysis) and sometimes lower where we get the "XF is in crisis" analysis. It isn't under performing. It isn't over performing. It's doing exactly what it should be doing. Last nights figures suggested there wasn't a massive boost but it also suggested that the millions who enjoy watching it stuck with it as well and obviously it also suggested that 800K chose to watch it over what BBC1 was showing.

This looks promising for Atlantis however. It suggests that as XF has found it's consistent audience, there is enough who want to watch a genuine alternative.
Hassaan13
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Up year on year, so not dead yet.”

The fifth audition show last year got like 7.3m (faced the Paralympics).
Hassaan13
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“This looks promising for Atlantis however. It suggests that as XF has found it's consistent audience, there is enough who want to watch a genuine alternative.”

I'm not sure it's nailed on for 5-6m against XF like Merlin was, but time will tell.
Score
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“The fifth audition show last year got like 7.3m (faced the Paralympics).”

That was a Sunday show so an irrelevant comparison anyway.

It is difficult to make exact comparisons at this point due to the change in scheduling, but compared with last year's third audition show it was up +0.5m. Compared with last year's penultimate Saturday audition show (last night was the penultimate Saturday audition show) it was up +0.9m, and compared with the episode on the equivalent date last year (which was the final Saturday audition show) it was up +0.1m. It was up anyway!
wizzywick
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“I'm not sure it's nailed on for 5-6m against XF like Merlin was, but time will tell.”

Oh. Don't get me wrong. I've already stated I don't expect it to be the hit Merlin was. Not yet at least. I think it will attract enough viewers for it to be recomissioned. Especially as the screening this week was very positive!
GeorgeS
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Score:
“That was a Sunday show so an irrelevant comparison anyway.

It is difficult to make exact comparisons at this point due to the change in scheduling, but compared with last year's third audition show it was up +0.5m. Compared with last year's penultimate Saturday audition show (last night was the penultimate Saturday audition show) it was up +0.9m, and compared with the episode on the equivalent date last year (which was the final Saturday audition show) it was up +0.1m. It was up anyway!”

Yes I think it's Up!
SamuelW
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Yes I think it's Up! ”

XFactor is slightly up from a very low base level last year. Last year's series didnt have 6 weeks of promotion, aired straight after the Olympics and partly against Paralympics, had no major format changes and it aired a few weeks earlier. So it's not surprising XFactor is up compared to last year, although it is only by about 0.5million max. The real test will come from September 27th onwards. It's like comparing a fully trained and healthy sprinter to an injured one the year before, obviously the fullly trained sprinter will run faster than an injured one due to all the advantages he has in its favour this time. Decent for XF last night but let's not get carried away, that is probably the weakest competition it'll face all season.
Hassaan13
15-09-2013
Yet another "X Factor is going to die against Strictly" post...

The joke is on you if X Factor move it forward so it can still finish before 10pm.
NeilVW
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Yet another "X Factor is going to die against Strictly" post...

The joke is on you if X Factor move it forward so it can still finish before 10pm. ”

I hope they do: then maybe we can gauge the effect of a lengthy clash with Strictly, versus a late finish (as last year), and perhaps put that argument to bed. However I think what it gains on the one hand it will lose on the other.
wizzywick
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Yet another "X Factor is going to die against Strictly" post...

The joke is on you if X Factor move it forward so it can still finish before 10pm. ”

If XF is moved earlier to have a direct clash with SCD I don't think it would beat SCD. The only way it would is if XF was moved to start BEFORE SCD started. Because XF is also on on Sundays, people can just watch the Saturday recap and continue watching it thereafter. BBC1's weakish line up last night won't be the norm from now on. I will be very interested to see how the Miranda Hart and Bruce Forsyth show goes next week. I do anticipate a good 6+ million viewers for that show.
GeorgeS
15-09-2013
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“XFactor is slightly up from a very low base level last year. Last year's series didnt have 6 weeks of promotion, aired straight after the Olympics and partly against Paralympics, had no major format changes and it aired a few weeks earlier. So it's not surprising XFactor is up compared to last year, although it is only by about 0.5million max. The real test will come from September 27th onwards. It's like comparing a fully trained and healthy sprinter to an injured one the year before, obviously the fullly trained sprinter will run faster than an injured one due to all the advantages he has in its favour this time. Decent for XF last night but let's not get carried away, that is probably the weakest competition it'll face all season.”

Like a cloud on a sunny day, we can rely on Sam!
Fudd
15-09-2013
The X Factor did very well; has it now stabilised?

Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“The same one that says "inform, educate and entertain"?”

But the press tends to forget the latter; The Voice came under a lot of scrutiny for it's first series but the audition figures saved it from full out negativity. It soon grew when the battle rounds/lives dipped though.

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I hope they do: then maybe we can gauge the effect of a lengthy clash with Strictly, versus a late finish (as last year), and perhaps put that argument to bed. However I think what it gains on the one hand it will lose on the other.”

I agree; any benefit from an early finish would be negated by the clash.

I'd be tempted to start The X Factor one hour before Strictly finishes then really push the +1 audience in promotions. I'm not sure whether it would work but I think it's worth a try.
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